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March 05, 2020, 08:39:29 AM

It's infuriating that all the worlds supposed experts are calculating the death rate wrong.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Recovered compared to infected. A 56% recovery rate. So a 44% mortality rate. And that is just as valid as what they are doing.

The correct calculation remains deaths/(deaths+cured). This is important.

Most of the people who got cured were never tested or diagnosed, so there is little value to worldometers stats. Everybody notices a death.

Nobodies notices or will ever know about the likely 100s of thousands of people who caught it, never had a symptom or just thought they had a cold, and were cured without any medical help. The immune system is the greatest doctor anyone has.

True.
Actually people don't die because of the virus, but because of their immune reactions consequences.
If you have a weak system, it will over-react to the virus. If you have a strong system, it will react less or quicker.
A few exceptions to this rule, but it's mostly correct, imo.

I myself have a hyperreactive kind of immune response. I catch a small cold and feel ill for like a week or two, without fever. Don't know what that means in terms of health risk with nCoV, but my lungs and organs are healthy. And i'm within the "safe" age band, below 70yrs.
Children seem to get infected less or develop less severe symptoms, is this still true and what do the virologists say?



Children are barely affected by this. Most have little to no symptoms and not a single death for the 9 and under group. Thats why canceling schools is just panic and hysteria. A better prevention tactic would be to restrict all children from visiting nursing homes and advising elderly and children to avoid each other in general until this blows over.

The panic is so extreme with this disease bc the power brokers of society are all old as hell and they would rather shut down society than risk meeting their maker a few months ahead of schedule. Have you ever seen bipartisan money get approved so fast in the U.S. Its bc all of the Senate, the House, and the President are old as hell. All the billionaire owners of the msm are old as hell too so they are directing their outlets to pump hysteria, bc they are scared themselves.

This is gonna play into Bitcoins hands as we know that old elites print money to attempt solving every problem they have ever encountered. This doomsday hysteria will be no different.
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March 05, 2020, 08:40:13 AM

It's infuriating that all the worlds supposed experts are calculating the death rate wrong.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Recovered compared to infected. A 56% recovery rate. So a 44% mortality rate. And that is just as valid as what they are doing.

The correct calculation remains deaths/(deaths+cured). This is important.

Most of the people who got cured were never tested or diagnosed, so there is little value to worldometers stats. Everybody notices a death.

Nobodies notices or will ever know about the likely 100s of thousands of people who caught it, never had a symptom or just thought they had a cold, and were cured without any medical help. The immune system is the greatest doctor anyone has.
Or the people who die at home and are not counted, in china especially, or the people who are counted as dying from a hundred other issues, or, or and so on.

As long as the official stats are what everyone is quoting, then we should at least calculate those numbers correctly.

We have enough samples outside of China where we can be more certain the dead are counted properly. We only have one sample in the entire globe where an entire population was tested and we know what their mortality rate is. Thats the Diamond Princess. We know the rate of death for the 700 infected was .85 percent, and we know that this population was about 20 years older than a normal population of people bc cruise passengers skew much older.

This is the best evidence on the planet for a true mortality rate ceiling. Meaning the true mortality rate is no higher than .85, and almost certainly much lower in a normal aged group of people.

Until an entire town or village is tested, regardless of symptoms, or just a very large random population sample is tested, the Diamond Princess will remain the scientific gold (Bitcoin Smiley ) standard for a true mortality estimate.

Hopefully the money printers dont read WO and figure these secrets out or they will stop panicking and turn off the money printers.  
Again, a country is different from a ship. Besides nobody is talking about the "critical" category yet. What is their death rate? Things have yet to play out long enough to get a clear picture.

We know the rate of death for the 700 infected was .85 percent,
No. You are doing it wrong. It's about 3%, even in the artificial conditions of a ship where people can be controlled and are getting the best care their deep wallets can buy.

Again, SK is likely the best actual country to look at at the moment. Their death rate is over 28% at the moment.

And this is just the beginning stages, before the system gets completely overwhelmed. It's almost certain to get much worse.
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March 05, 2020, 08:51:26 AM

It's infuriating that all the worlds supposed experts are calculating the death rate wrong.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Recovered compared to infected. A 56% recovery rate. So a 44% mortality rate. And that is just as valid as what they are doing.

The correct calculation remains deaths/(deaths+cured). This is important.

Most of the people who got cured were never tested or diagnosed, so there is little value to worldometers stats. Everybody notices a death.

Nobodies notices or will ever know about the likely 100s of thousands of people who caught it, never had a symptom or just thought they had a cold, and were cured without any medical help. The immune system is the greatest doctor anyone has.
Or the people who die at home and are not counted, in china especially, or the people who are counted as dying from a hundred other issues, or, or and so on.

As long as the official stats are what everyone is quoting, then we should at least calculate those numbers correctly.

We have enough samples outside of China where we can be more certain the dead are counted properly. We only have one sample in the entire globe where an entire population was tested and we know what their mortality rate is. Thats the Diamond Princess. We know the rate of death for the 700 infected was .85 percent, and we know that this population was about 20 years older than a normal population of people bc cruise passengers skew much older.

This is the best evidence on the planet for a true mortality rate ceiling. Meaning the true mortality rate is no higher than .85, and almost certainly much lower in a normal aged group of people.

Until an entire town or village is tested, regardless of symptoms, or just a very large random population sample is tested, the Diamond Princess will remain the scientific gold (Bitcoin Smiley ) standard for a true mortality estimate.

Hopefully the money printers dont read WO and figure these secrets out or they will stop panicking and turn off the money printers.  
Again, a country is different from a ship. Besides nobody is talking about the "critical" category yet. What is their death rate? Things have yet to play out long enough to get a clear picture.

We know the rate of death for the 700 infected was .85 percent,
No. You are doing it wrong. It's about 3%, even in the artificial conditions of a ship where people can be controlled and are getting the best care their deep wallets can buy.

Again, SK is likely the best actual country to look at at the moment. Their death rate is over 28% at the moment.

And this is just the beginning stages, before the system gets completely overwhelmed. It's almost certain to get much worse.

Your death rate calculations are useless bc you dont know about the vast numbers of uncounted infected. You wont know this till they take a very large random sample of the population and test it, or test an entire village or town.

Whats the point of your incomplete stats. They tell us practically nothing except how likely you are to die if you get really sick and go to the hospital.

The Diamond Princess had 6 deaths out of 700. Highly unlikely anyone else dies out of that 700 bc the time of infection has been too long. .85 percent mortality is the ceiling based on best available evidence. The stats from countries who just test a few sick people are inferior and borderline useless for finding a true mortality rate or "death rate".

Its a cool way to spin it and try an trick low iq people into thinking this is super deadly though, so I guess its not totally useless. Wink

The more people get tricked, the more hysteria and money printing we get so I encourage you to continue. I doubt many here will be fooled though.
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March 05, 2020, 08:53:56 AM

It's infuriating that all the worlds supposed experts are calculating the death rate wrong.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Recovered compared to infected. A 56% recovery rate. So a 44% mortality rate. And that is just as valid as what they are doing.

The correct calculation remains deaths/(deaths+cured). This is important.

Most of the people who got cured were never tested or diagnosed, so there is little value to worldometers stats. Everybody notices a death.

Nobodies notices or will ever know about the likely 100s of thousands of people who caught it, never had a symptom or just thought they had a cold, and were cured without any medical help. The immune system is the greatest doctor anyone has.
Or the people who die at home and are not counted, in china especially, or the people who are counted as dying from a hundred other issues, or, or and so on.

As long as the official stats are what everyone is quoting, then we should at least calculate those numbers correctly.

We have enough samples outside of China where we can be more certain the dead are counted properly. We only have one sample in the entire globe where an entire population was tested and we know what their mortality rate is. Thats the Diamond Princess. We know the rate of death for the 700 infected was .85 percent, and we know that this population was about 20 years older than a normal population of people bc cruise passengers skew much older.

This is the best evidence on the planet for a true mortality rate ceiling. Meaning the true mortality rate is no higher than .85, and almost certainly much lower in a normal aged group of people.

Until an entire town or village is tested, regardless of symptoms, or just a very large random population sample is tested, the Diamond Princess will remain the scientific gold (Bitcoin Smiley ) standard for a true mortality estimate.

Hopefully the money printers dont read WO and figure these secrets out or they will stop panicking and turn off the money printers.  
Again, a country is different from a ship. Besides nobody is talking about the "critical" category yet. What is their death rate? Things have yet to play out long enough to get a clear picture.

We know the rate of death for the 700 infected was .85 percent,
No. You are doing it wrong. It's about 3%, even in the artificial conditions of a ship where people can be controlled and are getting the best care their deep wallets can buy.

Again, SK is likely the best actual country to look at at the moment. Their death rate is over 28% at the moment.

And this is just the beginning stages, before the system gets completely overwhelmed. It's almost certain to get much worse.

Your death rate calculations are useless bc you dont know about the vast numbers of uncounted infected. You wont know this till they take a very large random sample of the population and test it, or test an entire village or town.

Whats the point of your incomplete stats. They tell us practically nothing except how likely you are to die if you get really sick and go to the hospital.

The Diamond Princess had 6 deaths out of 700. Highly unlikely anyone else dies out of that 700 bc the time of infection has been too long. .85 percent mortality is the ceiling based on best available evidence. The stats from countries who just test a few sick people are inferior and borderline useless for finding a true mortality rate or "death rate".

Its a cool way to spin it and try an trick low iq people into thinking this is super deadly though, so I guess its not totally useless. Wink

The more people get tricked, the more hysteria and money printing we get so I encourage you to continue. I doubt many here will be fooled though.

You, yourself, are using official numbers. Don't just shift the goalpost according to your own whims. And you are still calculating it wrong. This is a waste of time.
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March 05, 2020, 08:55:52 AM

https://www.businessinsider.com/princess-cruise-passenger-dies-coronavirus-ship-heads-for-san-francisco-2020-3

We will be getting another sample soon for true mortality rate. I expect every single person on this ship will be tested in short order. Hint: most will survive. In fact, probably about 99.15 percent will make it, just like on the Diamond Princess, even though they are on average about two decades older than the general population.
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March 05, 2020, 09:05:03 AM

It's infuriating that all the worlds supposed experts are calculating the death rate wrong.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Recovered compared to infected. A 56% recovery rate. So a 44% mortality rate. And that is just as valid as what they are doing.

The correct calculation remains deaths/(deaths+cured). This is important.

Most of the people who got cured were never tested or diagnosed, so there is little value to worldometers stats. Everybody notices a death.

Nobodies notices or will ever know about the likely 100s of thousands of people who caught it, never had a symptom or just thought they had a cold, and were cured without any medical help. The immune system is the greatest doctor anyone has.
Or the people who die at home and are not counted, in china especially, or the people who are counted as dying from a hundred other issues, or, or and so on.

As long as the official stats are what everyone is quoting, then we should at least calculate those numbers correctly.

We have enough samples outside of China where we can be more certain the dead are counted properly. We only have one sample in the entire globe where an entire population was tested and we know what their mortality rate is. Thats the Diamond Princess. We know the rate of death for the 700 infected was .85 percent, and we know that this population was about 20 years older than a normal population of people bc cruise passengers skew much older.

This is the best evidence on the planet for a true mortality rate ceiling. Meaning the true mortality rate is no higher than .85, and almost certainly much lower in a normal aged group of people.

Until an entire town or village is tested, regardless of symptoms, or just a very large random population sample is tested, the Diamond Princess will remain the scientific gold (Bitcoin Smiley ) standard for a true mortality estimate.

Hopefully the money printers dont read WO and figure these secrets out or they will stop panicking and turn off the money printers.  
Again, a country is different from a ship. Besides nobody is talking about the "critical" category yet. What is their death rate? Things have yet to play out long enough to get a clear picture.

We know the rate of death for the 700 infected was .85 percent,
No. You are doing it wrong. It's about 3%, even in the artificial conditions of a ship where people can be controlled and are getting the best care their deep wallets can buy.

Again, SK is likely the best actual country to look at at the moment. Their death rate is over 28% at the moment.

And this is just the beginning stages, before the system gets completely overwhelmed. It's almost certain to get much worse.

Your death rate calculations are useless bc you dont know about the vast numbers of uncounted infected. You wont know this till they take a very large random sample of the population and test it, or test an entire village or town.

Whats the point of your incomplete stats. They tell us practically nothing except how likely you are to die if you get really sick and go to the hospital.

The Diamond Princess had 6 deaths out of 700. Highly unlikely anyone else dies out of that 700 bc the time of infection has been too long. .85 percent mortality is the ceiling based on best available evidence. The stats from countries who just test a few sick people are inferior and borderline useless for finding a true mortality rate or "death rate".

Its a cool way to spin it and try an trick low iq people into thinking this is super deadly though, so I guess its not totally useless. Wink

The more people get tricked, the more hysteria and money printing we get so I encourage you to continue. I doubt many here will be fooled though.

You, yourself, are using official numbers. Don't just shift the goalpost according to your own whims. And you are still calculating it wrong. This is a waste of time.

Of course Im using official numbers that arent from a lying communist regime. The point was never about who had official numbers or not.  

The difference is Im using the only sample so far where an entire large population group was tested, regardless of symptoms.

Your core stats are most likely accurate.

Its your extrapolations that are futile because none of the nations tested entire populations regardless of symptoms. Rather they just tested mostly sick people or people known to be in direct contact with sick people.

This is guaranteed to miss tons of infected people with mild or no symptoms, making mortality rates based of these core stats utterly and completely useless no matter how hard anyone tries.


Luckily we have one sample group from the Diamond Princess that was different, bc every single person except 14 who got off early, were tested and we found that out of the 700 infected, only 6 died. Their is a small chance one more could pass away, but its highly unlikely at this point with the amount of time that has passed.

.85 percent mortality rate for a group of people 20 years older than average citizen is the best number we have so far. True mortality rate is probably half that at most for a normal age sample.
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Now we dont have to worry about a Bitcoin hostile communist idealogue in the White House for 4 years. Bullish as hell, even the stock market loved it.
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first! it's over 9000!
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Good morning WO!
Observing @ $ 9,030

It seems we are going to $10K again?
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first! it's over 9000!

This is so nice I'm not even mad you beat me to it Wink
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first! it's over 9000!

Yes, again. I wonder how many times (or, possibly, how many years) we will see bitcoin crossing this line back and forth in the future...
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March 05, 2020, 09:34:13 AM

Can we all take a moment to celebrate the triumph of Donald Trump shutting down the Predict program in October 2019.  

The Predict program was a “government research program, which sought to identify animal viruses that might infect humans and to head off new pandemics.”  

Surely this is one of Trump’s most glorious acts.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/25/health/predict-usaid-viruses.html
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Can we all take a moment to celebrate the triumph of Donald Trump shutting down the Predict program in October 2019.  

The Predict program was a “government research program, which sought to identify animal viruses that might infect humans and to head off new pandemics.”  

Surely this is one of Trump’s most glorious acts.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/25/health/predict-usaid-viruses.html

Didnt a government funded lab in China cause this problem in the first place. The pressure China feels to research and create bioweapons comes from them wanting to keep up with the West who spends large amounts doing the same.

"trained about 5,000 people in 30 African and Asian countries, and has built or strengthened 60 medical research laboratories, mostly in poor countries."

I realize this program sounds fairly harmless on the surface, but at the end of the day it still funded 60 labs researching viruses mostly in countries other than our own. Who is to say what these poorer countries and their corrupt leaders will do with the labs. Could come in handy if they go rogue and want to make a bioweapon to hurt their own people or enemies. Im glad its gone tbh.

Giving poor countries money that can be used for weapons research rarely ends well. To me this whole thing smells like an excuse to hand over money to corrupt foreign regimes in exchange for increased U.S. influence in doing the kind of shit we love best, causing tons of trouble in all poor countries who dont kiss our ass at all times.






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