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July 02, 2020, 01:02:51 AM

So, in the meantime I thought I would fire up an old bitcoin wallet from 2014 and see just what I was spending coins on.

Some gems include:

Wii U console: .5 bitcoins, $4,600 in today's money
Delivered Pizza including tip: .02btc,  $184
Towels for the house: .4 bitcoin, $3680


While it is true I have been able to enjoy these things for the past 6 years, they did wind up costing me a lot. Something to keep in mind if you sell your bitcoins today, in 6 years you might be thinking "I could have bought xxxxx with that money"



 I bought a WiiU with cash a few years back... WiiUsed it very little.   I wish I had spent that money on Bitcoin!
  

you can say this about almost anything that appreciated..it's not unique to bitcoin.
example:
AAPL stock in lieu of iMac in 1998 (spent 1K, 364K now). Bought iMac. Bought stock as well, sold when it 10X, lol.
AMZN-same ($400 on AMZN books in 1997: 400K or even more now). Books were bought, of course, no stock.
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July 02, 2020, 01:36:55 AM

you can say this about almost anything that appreciated..it's not unique to bitcoin.
example:
AAPL stock in lieu of iMac in 1998 (spent 1K, 364K now). Bought iMac. Bought stock as well, sold when it 10X, lol.
AMZN-same ($400 on AMZN books in 1997: 400K or even more now). Books were bought, of course, no stock.

Yeah, but it was a pretty far stretch to figure that an iPod company that made really shitty computers would end up exploding in value due to cellphones. Equally long shot for a bookseller to become a tech giant and mega-retailer.

Bitcoin, on the other hand was amazing breakthrough technology, fated to change the world, which anyone with a brain could see.

No comparison.
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I was blown away by a couple of bitcoin ideas (in addition to no third party control, etc.):

1. Emission curve
2. The fact that you can convert electricity into something that is essentially, money (or at least immediately convertible good), and it appeared to be legal.

Hodling idea came at least a year or two later.

I noticed that you are still NOT completely convinced about the bitcoin HODL theory, Biodom, especially when you share some angles of your correlation speculations, from time to time...  Tongue Tongue Tongue

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
By the way, I am not even close to suggesting that you are anywhere near the level of a mindrust... unless you would like to disclose some of your previously undisclosed emotions about panic on or around our March 12 drop to $3,850?  Were you tempted to sell some BTC around that time or not?  Tell us.  Spill your guts... do it ... do it...

Huh? No, not really tempted. I did sell some a couple of weeks later or so, nothing major-that was my small sacrifice to ya'll (hodlers of perpetuity).

Common Biodom. 



Your detailed answer makes me feel a little badly about trolling you.

I will admit that I sold a bit more BTC than I probably should have subsequent to the price drop to $3,850, partly because I had bought all the way down to $4k, and then I felt that my fiat supply was running low, in the event that BTC prices were to test lower $3ks or lower, again.  So I felt that I needed to prepare myself for that possibility (that has not materialized, so far), and even though I cannot recall the exact details off the top of my head, I outlined a plan in which I would sell a bit extra BTC when the BTC prices were going back up, which largely ended up filling those higher BTC sell orders between about $6k and $8k-ish... which were my insurance for possibly going back down to $3k or lower (which we can see has not yet happened, and my not happen, either).


I did sell some mid 2017, though, Vinny Lingham "influenced" me...I guess my hodl was not too strong back then.

Yeah.  I recall that one.  Vinny was making his rounds in the $1k arena, and saying that the BTC price was for sure going to drop below $500 (yeah, I said it), and he was saying that the BIG money had already sold.. and blah blah blah..

The price never went below $850, and only briefly.  Lot's of people got screwed there.  that was a round March 2017.


Used a half of proceeds to buy something that is not to be named, but it outperformed btc during 2017-2020, albeit I sold that "thing" as well a few weeks ago.

Well, at least that part worked out for you.  There are not very many assets that would have outperformed BTC for that whole period.. even though there would have been several to outperform BTC on the way up, maybe until early 2018, but then they dropped harder, and many of them did not get BTC's 3.5x bump in April-June 2019.



Taking huge risks becomes more difficult with each passing year, so i don't take large % portfolio risks on anything anymore.

That has been my approach through my whole BTC investment, even though probably many people would have sold more BTC along the way than I did, too.  Or reallocated their investment portfolio at some point, and I had just decided to continue to let my BTC largely ride.. even though I am not really too adverse if I need to sell a few extra BTC here or there because I am feeling a bit overallocated in BTC.

I had been hearing some pretty shitty forecast news in terms of some of my equities, and maybe if I was not already feeling somewhat over-allocated in my BTC, I would panic sell some of my equities, right now, rather than risk their losing a decent amount of their value, but who knows?  I am thinking just to let my allocations ride as they are, and maybe it will take more than our projected expectations of 18 months for all of this to play out, including BTC, yet I kind of believe that if I am suffering in significant ways in the way that I am allocated, then other people are likely going to be suffering just as bad, if not worse.. and maybe we will have an actual revolutionary war that we have to contend with?  aka the feared (but low probability event) Armageddon?


DCAing is definitely NOT my style, though. That said, taking profits never ruined anybody, AFAIK.

Some people engage in a variation of DCA, even though they refuse to call it DCA.. because they are buying on BIGGER swings and more spread apart rather than regularly.. and, maybe you are not doing DCA... and taking profits here or there can sometimes cause too much underperformance, so sure, investors are going to balance the extent to which they might take profits or allow some of their winners to continue to ride. Surely a discretionary approach, and maybe difficult to know scientifically if one approach might be better than another and maybe it takes 10 years or more for a plan to play out (or even a lifetime of building of a portfolio that might be sufficiently personally tailored and time based so difficult to replicate, even though sometimes we can concede that there might be places in our own plan that we could have performed better, when we attempt to look back at what choices we had in front of us and how we chose to allocate  or reallocate).


Additionally, in prior years people were less ambivalent about spending btc on regular life items (as Jimbo and lightfoot show)

There seem to have been some changes in the thoughts about spending in recent times, and many jurisdictions are not really very friendly to small spending, either.

P.S. I lost almost all btc in 2017 hurricane Harvey flood. That was such a bummer.  Sad

I have some similar situation regarding heavy losses, but mine was not a hurricane, and I still am not sure how much tragedy has come to the life of my lil selfie or how to calculate it, exactly.  bitcoin sucks.. one day hookers, lambos and blow, and the next day, pondering over an excel spreadsheet regarding how the life of my lil selfie could have been and other related accounting matters.   Cry Cry Cry
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July 02, 2020, 02:56:37 AM

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NONE of us (I suppose) have had perfect vision re BTC prices over the years.  Like most of you guys, I think anyone with over even a tiny amount (say 0.1 BTC) is already a "winner", even if you bought it yesterday (ah perhaps if you only bought in late 2017 maybe not, but we'll ignore that anomaly).  Anyone with over 1.0 BTC is, or will be, a big winner.  Anyone with 10.0 BTC or more would be, perhaps, a "Giant Shrimp" (to borrow FOFOA's term).  Over 100?  Hey, don't forget your friends!

An example of me making mostly bad calls: on ALL of infofront's polls I have been wrong each time except once. 

You guys could make money taking the other side of any short-term trades I would make (guesses too).  Smiley

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Just today I bought more at CVS (the LibertyX service I discussed a day or two ago).  This time I paid a total fee amount of just 1.63% or so (well, plus gas to drive over), and the process was a snap today.  Just asked the gal at CVS to scan the barcode off my cellphone and plunked down my cash.  Easy-peasy.

I think I figured out why the cost was a little higher than expected (that's twice now): I paid "ask" price ("their price"), both times "their BTC price was some $45 over mine (preev.com, I like that one because it's fast, I like fast esp. on my cellphone at CVS...).

LibertyX will start charging their own fee after July 31.  If you don't care (much) about the KYC, then it's a pretty good deal for buying BTC in July.
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NONE of us (I suppose) have had perfect vision re BTC prices over the years.  Like most of you guys, I think anyone with over even a tiny amount (say 0.1 BTC) is already a "winner", even if you bought it yesterday (ah perhaps if you only bought in late 2017 maybe not, but we'll ignore that anomaly).  Anyone with over 1.0 BTC is, or will be, a big winner.  Anyone with 10.0 BTC or more would be, perhaps, a "Giant Shrimp" (to borrow FOFOA's term).  Over 100?  Hey, don't forget your friends!

An example of me making mostly bad calls: on ALL of infofront's polls I have been wrong each time except once. 

You guys could make money taking the other side of any short-term trades I would make (guesses too).  Smiley

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Just today I bought more at CVS (the LibertyX service I discussed a day or two ago).  This time I paid a total fee amount of just 1.63% or so (well, plus gas to drive over), and the process was a snap today.  Just asked the gal at CVS to scan the barcode off my cellphone and plunked down my cash.  Easy-peasy.

I think I figured out why the cost was a little higher than expected (that's twice now): I paid "ask" price ("their price"), both times "their BTC price was some $45 over mine (preev.com, I like that one because it's fast, I like fast esp. on my cellphone at CVS...).

LibertyX will start charging their own fee after July 31.  If you don't care (much) about the KYC, then it's a pretty good deal for buying BTC in July.
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July 02, 2020, 03:44:48 AM

the evening wall report

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snake climbs up mountain and spits fire

...just a quick note to let you know that I so enjoy your colorful trend descriptions.
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July 02, 2020, 03:48:18 AM

So, in the meantime I thought I would fire up an old bitcoin wallet from 2014 and see just what I was spending coins on.

Some gems include:

Wii U console: .5 bitcoins, $4,600 in today's money
Delivered Pizza including tip: .02btc,  $184
Towels for the house: .4 bitcoin, $3680


While it is true I have been able to enjoy these things for the past 6 years, they did wind up costing me a lot. Something to keep in mind if you sell your bitcoins today, in 6 years you might be thinking "I could have bought xxxxx with that money"



If nobody had ever spent any of their bitcoins, Bitcoin would have no value.

Lazlo did his part back in 2010 and gave Bitcoin its first real-world monetary value. He said the pizzas were delicious. Hopefully he 's still holding much more than he spent and he's filthy rich.

I've still got my 2 black BTC ballcaps , which cost me about $30 in Bitcoin at the times I bought them and are now worth thousands (the older one) and hundreds (the newer one). They're still comfortable, albeit a little worn and sweat-stained. I wear them now only on special occasions, mainly for $5 wrench reasons. I feel I too was doing my part in my small way. I managed to hold enough coins to live happily ever after. Maybe some day I'll be filthy rich too.

Be proud that you did your part toward making Bitcoin what it is today and what it will be some day. Hopefully you're still holding enough coins to be filthy rich some day too.

I spent a full BTC on a dozen old hyperinflated Zimbabwean currency notes. Money well spent, in an ironic sort of way.
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July 02, 2020, 03:55:50 AM

This can only be a good thing.
https://cointelegraph.com/news/boomer-and-gen-x-interest-in-bitcoin-surges-during-pandemic
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“We expected Millennials to continue buying into cryptocurrencies, but to see more experienced investors also become increasingly interested in Bitcoin, is extremely promising for the growth of the industry.”

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So, in the meantime I thought I would fire up an old bitcoin wallet from 2014 and see just what I was spending coins on.

Some gems include:

Wii U console: .5 bitcoins, $4,600 in today's money
Delivered Pizza including tip: .02btc,  $184
Towels for the house: .4 bitcoin, $3680


While it is true I have been able to enjoy these things for the past 6 years, they did wind up costing me a lot. Something to keep in mind if you sell your bitcoins today, in 6 years you might be thinking "I could have bought xxxxx with that money"



If nobody had ever spent any of their bitcoins, Bitcoin would have no value.

Lazlo did his part back in 2010 and gave Bitcoin its first real-world monetary value. He said the pizzas were delicious. Hopefully he 's still holding much more than he spent and he's filthy rich.

I've still got my 2 black BTC ballcaps , which cost me about $30 in Bitcoin at the times I bought them and are now worth thousands (the older one) and hundreds (the newer one). They're still comfortable, albeit a little worn and sweat-stained. I wear them now only on special occasions, mainly for $5 wrench reasons. I feel I too was doing my part in my small way. I managed to hold enough coins to live happily ever after. Maybe some day I'll be filthy rich too.

Be proud that you did your part toward making Bitcoin what it is today and what it will be some day. Hopefully you're still holding enough coins to be filthy rich some day too.

I spent a full BTC on a dozen old hyperinflated Zimbabwean currency notes. Money well spent, in an ironic sort of way.

Great story..
"Hyperinflation cured by btc"
"Deflationary digital currency meets it's match in hyper-inflating one":
BTW, this is how I would feel when buying simple goods in btc right now, unless I immediately buy a replacement using fiat.
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I forgot your story, AlcoHoDL, are you saying that you were one of those could have been earlier adopters, but you did not rise yourself to the level of action which would likely mean figuring out some kind of reasonable budget to get "in" at some earlier date?  When are we talking?  and why did you NOT act?  would have it made a difference?  I had some asset that I had invested into in early October 2013 and I would have had that money available for bitcoin, but I will say that I did withdraw all of that money that I had invested in that October 2013 asset and I invested into bitcoin between about October and December 2014 which I believe largely played out better for me.

What is your "could have," "would have," "should have," and would have it made a difference in terms of what you did, your resulting financial status or even your mindset?

I could have been an early(er) adopter. With Bitcoin, hesitation works against you most of the time. I had a good amount of fiat that I could have spent on Bitcoin in 2015 (the best post-MtGox time to buy, but how could I have known? Got to take risks...), but I didn't. And I ended up spending the very same amount of fiat on Bitcoin in the later years, ending up with a fraction of the coins i could now have. As simple as that.

I'm not really complaining though. It's all good. It's great actually.

Oh, and BTW, my Trezor (when empty) is now worth $1050 (bought it with BTC)... LOL

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3QQQu7QLoM&feature=youtu.be

Trending on twitter...A Decade of Sun. NASA makes 10 year timelapse of the Sun. Every second in the video represents 1 day. Well it almost looks like a bitcoin.  Grin Similar color, similar power and similar years, a decade of bitcoin.

I watched the video and i noticed the activity is very different through all those 10 years. There are some interesting comments below the video. For example:
1. "Looks like we are in a period of minimal solar activity" 2020
2. "huge difference in solar activity between e.g. August 2011 (minute 7) and 9 y later e.g. Sept. 2019 (min 56)"
3. "2018 Jan 10, 46:29 solar flare! Was pretty noticeable"
4. "At 13:11 you can see a huge CME that almost hit us in 2012"
5. "37:50 cameras offline.. why might that be? 3rd August 2016 - 10th August 2016"
6. "solar eclipse at 53:29"
7. "I almost quit watching when I saw 2013 May 10, but 2017 Aug 23 made it all worth it. 18:02 and 44:09 for anyone who's wondering"
8. "33:45 - 42:23 is my favorite part, It feels like it's just about to explode !" (Hurricanes)

47:37 perfect
53:30... Astonishing 😲
54:18
55:48 crei que se nos iba....!!
12:24 & 53:29 @ ×0.25

01:08 - Sunquake
02:17 - Partial solar eclipse
12:24 - Venus transition
13:15 - 2012 CME (Coronal Mass Ejection)
34:13 - Hurricanes
37:50 - Cameras offline
53:29 - Solar eclipse
56:55 - Partial solar eclipse
and many more

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3QQQu7QLoM&feature=youtu.be
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July 02, 2020, 05:51:37 AM

Cite your sources that masks do not prevent the spreading of this virus.

Huh? Resources?
Sure, the same ones qwizzie provided.


Cite your sources that current infection rates in the EU are the same or higher as the US.

Resources you say?
Why do I have to read about your P100 bullshit - multiple times, without any resources?


As for the rest.... CT you are spreading not merely bullshit or horseshit, but true elephant shit.

Thanks, this is exactly what motivates me. To sync in.


And yes, the government can force you to put a mask on just as the government can force you to put a pair of pants on so you don't smear shit on everything you sit on, and force you to not dig a cesspit next to the town well, and force you not to dump your trash on my property.

Now wait. You must be American.
Try not to mix two different things. The former is violating other people's freedom, the mask is violating my freedom. So no.


That's the whole fucking point of a government: To protect the majority of the population from the idiocy of a minority that wants to sabotage it.

Sir, yes sir! If you say so.
 

So give it a rest.

There is nothing that would please me more.
Do you think I enjoy coming here and reading all the fear mongering posts about COV? (not information dude)

But yeah I'll stop. I'll stop and give it the attention it always deserved. Zero.
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Fucking awesome, I don't live in Greece and won't be interacting with you so ask me if I care.

You should, I just explained that nobody here gives a fuck. Isn't that strange?

You can tell him to fuck his grandmother if you like, that's on you, also tells a lot about your character.

I don't do mothers and grandmothers, but just the mere thought of it, does tell a lot about your character.
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Are you saying we should exile people who do not wish to wear masks to places like Molokai and the like?

I could be ok with that.

No shit, could be or would be, make up your mind!
I say burn them all, surely they must be guilty of witchcraft, AND not wearing a mask.
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After almost 3 years on these boards, I've never really dared to take the leap to visiting this thread. I'm wondering how much time I'd need to start reading the WO from the very first post all the way to the last one. I'm also wondering if it'd deliver me inner peace or other life-changing insights.

I sense the seducing perfume of a challenge...
Start with the original thread. This is the 2nd one I believe (and we have become exceedingly efficient at it).
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https://twitter.com/cryptobull/status/1278595607603687424?s=21

#Hopium
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ZenGo, a startup that is building a mobile cryptocurrency wallet, has discovered a vulnerability in some of the most popular cryptocurrency wallets, such as hardware wallet Ledger, BRD and Edge.
Full news: https://techcrunch.com/2020/07/01/a-vulnerability-in-some-bitcoin-wallets-leads-to-double-spend-attacks-and-inflated-balance/amp/?__twitter_impression=true


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Double-spending is a potential exploit in crypto-currencies that allows malicious actors to spend the same coins two or more times.
To do this, fraudsters can send a transaction with a minimum fee and then immediately override it by increasing the fee (so miners will be incentivized to verify the more profitable new transaction first) and redirecting funds to a different address.

Source: https://decrypt.co/34271/bitcoin-wallets-double-spending-attack-exploit?amp=1
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