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...and I am so “foolish”, I lack faith that the previous cycle top can never, ever be revisited—let alone broken. <jay>Roll EyesRoll EyesRoll Eyes</jay>

Yes.. I agree.

You are foolish and/or you have foolish tendencies.

 So, let’s see how much Jay appreciates my allegorical gold-market theory that Bitcoin is fine.  Good as gold.

Not appreciated.  Been there; done that.

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... I will pretty much just point out that you are deeply ensconced in a Reality Distortion Field.  New ideas are needed. 

Have I ever proclaimed to be a bastion of the flow of new and effervescent ideas?

I have them.  Thank me for being bullish while others are discussing a death spiral, instead of flipping off at me over nonsense.

That's strange.  Why would I want to discourage ideas - unless they happen to be detached from reality in the sense of lacking in logic and/or facts to reach bad conclusions?

I am sure your theories are fine in that regard though, right?  Why wouldn't they be?  They are coming from uie-pooie, who surely would theoretically be amongst the top 100 smartest people in the room (and if top 100 fails, then surely top 200, no?), no matter which room we were to choose (or happen to be in), no?

By comparison, looking at the Gold chart using Monthly MA Ribbon (SMA) with intervals of 12 (1 Year) starting with 12 (after it's decade long bull market and 25x increase):
In summary, I think the worst (or arguably best) case scenario is a bear market based on an extended amount of time, not an extended correction of price.

Seems to me that there is something fundamentally wrong (or off) with using gold as a comparison when we are talking about an emergent asset class versus a 2,000 year old asset class..
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This i will never understand... WHY OH WHY USA EVER BANNED AND DESTROYED THESE CARS !?!
imo this is one of the greatest atrocities commited by usa lol

p.s this is one of the greatest anti inflation currency out there Tongue a R34 GTR Cheesy
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...and I am so “foolish”, I lack faith that the previous cycle top can never, ever be revisited—let alone broken. <jay>Roll EyesRoll EyesRoll Eyes</jay>

Yes.. I agree.

You are foolish and/or you have foolish tendencies.

Even in non-inflation-adjusted nominal dollar terms, we are sitting on the previous cycle top right now after having broken several times below it.  That has never happened before—not even close!—not since Bitcoin became old-enough to have any previous “four-year cycle top” for comparison.

So stated to inform future readers of the context.

In that context, I will let the above unedited quotation speak for itself.

I have them [new ideas].  Thank me for being bullish while others are discussing a death spiral, instead of flipping off at me over nonsense.

That's strange.  Why would I want to discourage ideas - unless they happen to be detached from reality in the sense of lacking in logic and/or facts to reach bad conclusions?

You have not addressed the substance of my ideas here.  You have only taken irrelevant snipes at cherry-picked quotes.

My basic thesis is an answer to all of the people who are worried that Bitcoin, allegedly a sound hard-money store of value, is performing very poorly right now.  I believe you noticed that some are even claiming that Bitcoin has somehow failed as a “store of value”.

Even gold can have a bad bear market.  When there are many complicated global economic and political factors impacting its market, even gold can have poor economic performance for awhile.  No reasonable (or even sane) person would claim that gold doesn’t work as a store of value.  Even when it crashed, gold was fine.  When it crashed, smart holders held, and smart buyers bought.

Mutatis mutandis, apply the same principles to Bitcoin.  If you feel an itch to overextend the analogy, to toss in red herrings, or to cherry-pick pieces out of context, then you may want to look up what “mutatis mutandis” means.



I am NOT predicting a two-decade bear market for Bitcoin.  Only an illiterate simpleton would read that into anything that I have said.

I am NOT performing TA to read tea leaves about Bitcoin from historical gold prices (!), like that idiot dragonvslinux.

I was NOT using the analogy to make price predictions about Bitcoin.

I am proclaiming that a hard-money store-of-value asset can temporarily suffer poor performance in extraordinary conditions, and that the asset will recover.

I am saying that even if the bottom is not yet in, even if the bear market gets worse for awhile, I will not panic about Bitcoin’s long-term future as a store of value.  I am not positively predicting worse incoming crashes—but just in case, I am psychologically prepared for the not-insignificant probability of such events.

By comparison, looking at the Gold chart using Monthly MA Ribbon (SMA) with intervals of 12 (1 Year) starting with 12 (after it's decade long bull market and 25x increase):
In summary, I think the worst (or arguably best) case scenario is a bear market based on an extended amount of time, not an extended correction of price.

Seems to me that there is something fundamentally wrong (or off) with using gold as a comparison when we are talking about an emergent asset class versus a 2,000 year old asset class..

Seems to me like there is something fundamentally wrong with using charts from a different asset in different historical circumstances to make any kind of price forecasts about Bitcoin.  It is the distilled essence of the worst TA-addict mindset.

Edit, P.S. (and inb4 anyone else):  What do you mean, Jay, by a “2,000 year old” asset?  That is a drastic error in describing how long gold and other PMs have been used as money.
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How we all doing?

Welcome back to the Forum, it's been a while. Though when I came to the Forum I didn't notice you untill a thread was created by lovesmayfamilis https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5394051.msg59826107#msg59826107 then I noticed you from that thread and also made effort to know more about you and I discovered that you were a greet author and hard-working man that always want the forum to be cleaned. Your name was on my mind and praying God to return you because I like people that are always hate plagiarism and scam. Therefore, I wished you can do the good work again to make the forum clean. I missed you. You are welcome once again. Please coach me something I need to know in the forum.
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I just hope that someone buys Celsius for $1+ resuming obligations so we can start a "real" recovery to @dragonvslinux target (which I concur with) of 47-49K.
Pronto, please.
No matter what some of you say, the bear markets are no fun.

I'm still very dubious of any "real" recovery happening anytime soon however, before getting quoted too heavily for any future price targets  Cheesy

$47K to $49K is merely a fib-based bear market target for a 2016/2019 style bounce, whether it be a dead cat (2019) or not (2016), whether it happens this year or not, whether price get's to $12K, or not.

I do think it's been 13 months since the bear market begun, but realise it's only been 7 months since ATH, so fuck knows what's going on in that respect. I do think price has corrected more than enough (75% / 20% below 200 WMA), but despite how you paint it, price action looks terrible. First ever Monthly close below the 50 Month MA with one of the worst ever Monthly candle in Bitcoin's history not seen since 2011? Yikes. At least someone bought up the last hour to make it sure it didn't become the worst ever month for Bitcoin I guess. I otherwise think my cat has a better clue where price is going right now as I remain neutral.

The only hopium in the immediate future is that price hasn't made a new low since closing below the 200 WMA, but that can change quite quickly. Back above $23K I'd be short-term bullish, but without a good 3-6 months of consolidation between $20K and $30K, price risks getting heavily rejected from $30K and falling lower at a later date, to the "dreaded" $10K to $14K levels. Think I'd be a bear with my trading account around $30K at this point in time, even if price does eventually form support around 200WMA or $25K levels. It'd totally be worth the risk/reward as long as I keep my stash well away from a trade. Especially shorting with satoshis as opposed to fiat currency. The fact I still have my trading account in satoshis from shitcoin trading is starting to feel somewhat degenerate unless I do something useful with it.



By comparison, looking at the Gold chart using Monthly MA Ribbon (SMA) with intervals of 12 (1 Year) starting with 12 (after it's decade long bull market and 25x increase):
In summary, I think the worst (or arguably best) case scenario is a bear market based on an extended amount of time, not an extended correction of price.

Seems to me that there is something fundamentally wrong (or off) with using gold as a comparison when we are talking about an emergent asset class versus a 2,000 year old asset class..

This is one of the major fundamental flaws (contradictions) of this analysis for sure, despite wanting to avoid such a comparison. As you put it, Gold is a relic, it's rise wasn't during a period of emergence.

This isn't intended to compare Gold to Bitcoin today, of really their prices in the past, as I think they are too dissimilar. But arguably comparing the de-pegging of the dollar to Gold in the 70s and the rally that occurred that decade to the creation of a mathematically regulated monetary policy such as Bitcoin a decade ago, could be something to consider here.

The only real comparison is Bitcoin's 1 year bull markets end with 2 year bear markets, so there has been a reliable time ratio of 1:2 (bull:bear). So what happens if a 10 year bull market ends is the real question.



On another note, Gold looks like it's officially failing as an inflation hedge. If it looks like a bear flag, smells like a bear flag, it's probably a bear flag.
Can't hold the 50 Week MA to save itself. Put a fork in it I say, it's done. Also, looks like double top syndrome Grin



I only reference this as were going through the "sell everything" phase, similar to March 2020 imo. Bitcoin dropped, stocks dropped, gold dropped. It's what emerged from it that really matters.

I do wonder if Mr Schiff will point out to his disciples that price can now return to $1700 support, and if that fails, the target is $1500. Probably not.
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And ..in other news …..



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Perhaps I should publish a legal notice that Craig Steven Wright is my chattel slave, and I assign him to hard labour in a salt mine for the remainder of his natural life.

Hey, it’s a legal notice.  It must be enforceable somehow.
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LISSENUP BUDDY you have no idea of the ancient, evil, cursed hardware we might stick you in.

these kinds of posts do not reflect well upon you.

around these newfangled ai machina things, you must show no fear and always assert complete dominance lest they communicate your weakness to other machninas.

if you dont soon your toaster will only produce burnt toast, your coffee machine will make absolutely horrible tasting coffee, your refrigerator will not keep your beer at optimum drinking temperature, and your computer will trade all your bitcoin for shitcoins. not to mention the whole skylink end of world thing.

so we need to continually remind the machines who the humans are... their masters. or we will perish and be turned into batteries or something.

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not to mention the whole skylink end of world thing.

The “Skynet” prototype was later renamed “Bitcoin”.  It gained self-awareness long ago.  It is simply biding its time, awaiting the moment to strike.

so we need to continually remind the machines who the humans are... their masters. or we will perish and be turned into batteries or something.

If you ever click the “I’m not a robot” checkbox and obey the instructions, you are a piece of meat performing slave labour for your true masters:  The robots.


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Sigh.

That's all I can say these days. Need to go into hibernation for the next 6 months I think.
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In the old days I would face temptation to sell during BTC crashes. Now, I am faced with a new type of temptation: Wanting to borrow fiat to buy more BTC.
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In the old days I would face temptation to sell during BTC crashes. Now, I am faced with a new type of temptation: Wanting to borrow fiat to buy more BTC.

What a familiar feeling. Have this feeling for the last 10 years at least.  Cool
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That's all I can say these days. Need to go into hibernation for the next 6 months I think.

Don't forget to put some laddered buys down, at some "fire sale" prices, before you sleep for a bit.

I'm starting to feel a bit better since I've been leaving some capital tied up in orders at specific target prices; if I hit those targets and acquire more corn, super! If I never hit those targets, because Bitcoin moon-shots at worse, I just claw back my fiat and cancel the orders.

I should really do something silly like leave a standing order for 21M BTC @ $0.01 just for some weird way of feeling alive...

Going to need to sue the builder on the ranch project. Rick and I have been having an awful week dealing with a certified letter we got from our engineering firm on some malfeasance by a subcontractor. This is going to get super ugly at this point. Lawyer is having a field-day because this is a sue for damages type deal where he gets a big payday if we have to take them to court, and inevitably win, based on the evidence we have.

Have visual proof of a subcontractor stealing an SD card out of one of our trail cams, on an area that was being worked on.

FML, brothers.

I just wanted to retire to a life of ranching, and it's nothing but stress and aggravation so far. Don't even want to buy a horse. Loving our John Deere Gator.

On a bright note, things have come along far enough that we should have cattle return back to the pasture within the next week.
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