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probably just some young lad who is simply sharing.
Made 17K on a trade-good for him, right  Wink

That is a price that is no longer far from the current price because Bitcoin is still in a period of decline until now, so yes, only a few young people still dare to trade in conditions like now. I will still make purchases even if the price drop continues and will never care what other people have to say which may not be so important for me to hear at this point. because losses and gains happen to those who dare to trade and buy more. It's a bit painful to stay in the conditions like now, but that's all I can do and the ones who are able to hold out until I find the next Bull condition are amazing people.
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obvious longterm trend



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Wow, idiots abound. Try the decaf.
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The top 10 Google searches related to cryptocurrencies uncover an increase in curiosity among general investors —

1.What is cryptocurrency
2.What is crypto
3.How to invest in cryptocurrency
4.What is crypto mining
5.How to buy cryptocurrency
6.Why is crypto crashing
7.How does cryptocurrency work
8.Why is crypto down
9.How to create a cryptocurrency
10.How to trade cryptocurrency

https://cointelegraph.com/news/top-10-most-googled-questions-about-cryptocurrency-and-its-implication

I am interested in question number 2:  What is crypto?  and what does it have to do with this thread?

I clicked on that fucking shitty article, and surely, even after clicking and looking at that painful garbage, still I am not exactly clear of how the topic of crypto blah blah blah ... .relates to these here parts, either.

Call me a dummy?

Call me slow.


But don't call me late for lunch....



Speaking of lunch.. I am getting hungry.

Only 21 million people can own a single Bitcoin.

No they cannot.. it's impossbro... .. especially if we take reality into account.

Even today, Gold has 10x market capitalization of Bitcoin.

Have you looked at the charts recently?  it's more like 20x.. in other words bitcoin's market cap is about 1/20th of Gold's

.. but of course, bitcoin is about 1,000x more valuable.. even if it could take 100 to 200 years to reach that point on the actual price charts.

You should only have values in Bitcoin anyway where you don't need to sell. If you are forced to sell Bitcoin, you have miscalculated.

If you live in the real world.. you need to attempt to balance both your cash and your bitcoin.. which might include some selling from time to time, depending on if you get your cashflow in dollars or in bitcoin.. of course, if you get your cashflow in bitcoin (which might become more true with the passage of time), then there are going to be more needs to sell... and hopefully remaining strategic and good managers about it.. so that it is not "forced to sell" situations that end up being selling way more at a time other than your own choosing.. like you mentioned.

The low Bitcoin prices should be exploited.
Who sells Bitcoin now, has not understood Bitcoin!
People who do not sell Bitcoin now and get your position properly will reap nice rewards for deciding to HODL!
For sure I agree with you here.. and if you can buy that is great, second option would be HODL, and selling seems like a bit of a failure.. .. and if you have to sell, then try to sell as little as you can.. and attempt to buy it back too.. selling to buy back lower seems quite dumb and like gambling.. even though some people (ie weak hands) do seem to roll like that.. they like to sell low and buy high.. hahahahaha

Many have yet to learn.
Many must learn to make positions long term. No long term strategy, no success.
Weh ave seen a recent price collapse by Terra Luna and Celsius, it is such a problem.
It was unjustified panic selling and no reason for it!

Altcoins like Terra Luna and Celsius are independent of Bitcoin.
When some weak hands sold off, only came about due to an irrational panic and anyone who participates in such panic loses money.
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I would frame the matter a wee bit differently - because there was relation to bitcoin with these projects, because the projects were using bitcoin as gambling devices, and it was not only Terra/Luna and Celsius there were several others, and they were somewhat intertangled including having tie ins to bitcoin in terms of both double counting of BTC (meaning that they did not have the bitcoin that they claimed to have.. so in some instances it may have been dekacounting them), and both normies and also institutions (not only the venture capitalists) were enterring into arrangements in which some of them were more preferred than others in terms of how much interest that they would receive .. whether it was 4% or 20% or some amount in the middle, and even some of the middle men were earning 20% and they were paying others 4% so they could skim 16%.. and some of them were not paying anything to use their customers money to gamble in other locations, and that is part of the appeal to normies to feel as if they have to put their BTC to work since it supposedly does not earn enough on its own.. so they want their bitcoin to earn yield.. and that works out all fine and dandy until there is not enough money to pay everyone because all of those incentives were created in order to attract new money in and the longer that it goes on, there is a realization that the money is not really earning the rates that they were claiming that it could earn because it was dependent to pay off the rates based on new money coming in.. which works until the new money is not enough to pay off all the yield, and it also does not work if the BTC price goes down rather than UP.. because they can still keep playing the ponzi scheme without anyone knowing if the BTC price did not go below a certain price point.. which kind of became almost inevitable to go down when the fake ass Terra/Luna lost its unstoppable (unpeggable) peg.. which had already locked up around 10x more value than the amount of BTC that they had within their supposed collateral (or peg fixing) system.. and I am not even saying that they honestly even attempted to defend the peg as the theory of what they were supposed to do says that they should have done rather than paying off their buddies in the system first.. which that surely does not help while the retail dummies keep buying in because they think that the peg is coming back as the peg goes from a dollar to zero.. but not quite zero because there is "still a chance." blah blah blah.

Those are related to bitcoin, because bitcoin is being used as liquidity for the fractional bitcoin systems and also for the rug pulls.

Most sell-offs are not rational and are instead driven by irrational decisions and panic.
By education, one must stay away from such irrational decisions and panic.

Some of the decisions were rational.. grandma wanted to earn 4% or even 8% on her bitcoin.  And she did not know that the middle man was loaning out her bitcoin to earn 20%.  Grandma was being rational.. because bitcoin's being designed to pump forever was not enough for her.. she wanted something more concrete than that.  Yield.. like the good ole days when her bank account used to earn interest.. remember?  Grandma remembers.  But now grandma no does not have no money.. because grandma got rug pulled.. she thought it was legit.

To avoid falling for Altcoin lies, people need Bitcoin education. People who don’t understand Bitcoin will fall for Altcoin lies because of  pro Altcoin FUD.

In the latest crash, grandma did not even realize that her money was being invested into shitcoins.  She thought that she was buying bitcoin and earning a reasonable yield.  4% on Voyager.. while Voyager lent out $640million to 3AC based on 3AC's personal credit. .which $640million amounted to 58% of Voyagers total AUM.

Don’t fall for Altcoin lies, HODL Bitcoin!

I don't really disagree with you because it seems that we have other things going on at the same time... yeah we had altcoins involved and we also had macro issues putting negative pressures on bitcoin too...  .. but yeah I agree with the overall proposal regarding HODL and accumulate bitcoin.
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Argh we're poor !

With inflation and having a significant amount of cash on hand (for a mortgage deposit, that is less and less likely to happen...) it's difficult to resist buying corn (not talking about DCA that I still do).

To buy cornz or not to buy cornz.. that is the question.

 Tongue Tongue

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Wow... Isn't there a song for that? 

It's called:

"Who let the gamblers out?" 

oof, oof, oof, oof, oof

"Who let the gamblers out?" 

oof, oof, oof, oof, oof

I can provide a link if you don't know the reference?

obvious longterm trend

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I must say. Upside down does not look too good.

It makes me feel... Bbbbbbbbbaaaaaaaaaaaddddddd  ass
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Man, the price chart in the last 10 months looks pretty depressing. Even more than in 2018. And for us the EU citizens it is worsened by the strong $. It adds another 25% to the price depreciation compared to 2021. I really envy those that can buy now, because they will be rewarded soon. I've had some unexpected spendings recently and my DCAing is on hold. Hopefully next month I will be able to resume the buying. Provided I recover well from the nasty surgery and my father recovers from the severe hypertension that has been plaguing him lately. He is still recovering from a hip replacement last year. To add to the bad things, my institution is not paying me well and I'm in the process of getting additional job 400 km from here, with the intention to move to that place eventually. Hopefully all will go well and meanwhile I will be able to resume DCAing. I am not complaining. Although not a millionaire, I have enough money to live without going to work, unless BTC falls below 10K and I sell, which won't happen of course. I eat only restaurant food and enjoy the newest gadgets like the new Asus Zenbook Flip 15 I've bought the other day. And relaxing with my Gretsch ACDC set up. So fuck the misfortunes, I'm good thanks to BTC!  Grin
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They again delayed. I think they will never repay anything.



https://en.ethereumworldnews.com/mtgox-bitcoin-repayment-plan-delayed/

Poppe also saying: They will not release.



https://twitter.com/CryptoMichNL/status/1563904662092365824
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tl;dr: Stay away from Ponzi schemes and Fractional Reserve systems. How many Ponzi collapses and mindrustenings will it take for people to get this? Bitcoin is already a miracle to those who can recognize it, and probably the only exception to the "if it's too good to be true..." rule. The recent rise in WO trollery is telling, too.

Keep BTFD and HoDLing, my fellow WOers. GTCTTWW.
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They again delayed. I think they will never repay anything.



https://en.ethereumworldnews.com/mtgox-bitcoin-repayment-plan-delayed/

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https://twitter.com/CryptoMichNL/status/1563904662092365824

I was always a bit confused where people got a payout date to begin with. As a creditor, you’d think I’d have gotten some sort of communication to expect a payout. We haven’t even been able to choose if we want the early payout or not yet. I think this saga will drag on a long time, with an effect on the market for at least a month or two.
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Man, the price chart in the last 10 months looks pretty depressing. Even more than in 2018. And for us the EU citizens it is worsened by the strong $. It adds another 25% to the price depreciation compared to 2021. I really envy those that can buy now, because they will be rewarded soon. I've had some unexpected spendings recently and my DCAing is on hold. Hopefully next month I will be able to resume the buying. Provided I recover well from the nasty surgery and my father recovers from the severe hypertension that has been plaguing him lately. He is still recovering from a hip replacement last year. To add to the bad things, my institution is not paying me well and I'm in the process of getting additional job 400 km from here, with the intention to move to that place eventually. Hopefully all will go well and meanwhile I will be able to resume DCAing. I am not complaining. Although not a millionaire, I have enough money to live withough going to work, unless BTC falls below 10K and I sell, which won't happen of course. I eat only restaurant food and enjoy the newest gadgets like the new Asus Zenbook Flip 15 I've bought the other day. And relaxing with my Gretsch ACDC set up. So fuck the misfortunes, I'm good thanks to BTC!  Grin

For sure times like these can be quite difficult for anyone who runs into cashflow issues, or maybe already had cashflow issues on an ongoing basis and might not have sold enough BTC (or any other asset) in order to attempt to help with cashflow issues that more likely come up when bitcoin prices are down (but also almost every other asset might feel like it is down too.. but relatively speaking, there still might need to be a choice about whether any of the other assets might be sufficiently liquid enough or if they can be sold in total or in part in order to help to address cashflow issues.. so in the end even if no buying is going on, then maybe at least no selling is happening.. and so for some we are at the point before sell.. which is called HODL... HODL could be a very broad area and covering a large range of relative comfort and even bordering upon desperation if it has not reached a stage of SODL, yet.

Many of us can likely feel it.. even though we can may well end up being reminded that some people can feel it way more than others, and maybe when any of us finds out about persons who seem to have even worse situations than ourselves, then we can start to feel that "at least my situation is not that bad, yet".... yet .. yet...

I am not trying to be flippant about your cashflow difficulties, ivomm.. yet your comments do cause me to consider what factors causes a guy/gal to choose DCA over buying on dips... and surely they can both be used or one can be used exclusively from the other, and sure there is variation, and like you say, sometimes it might no longer be prudent to employ DCA.. but there might be a little fiat on hand for buying on dip.. but sometimes even that buying on dip fiat is more or less dried up too.. so I doubt there is going to be any exact formula an surely there is some discretion regarding how to play whatever cash might be available...or might be coming in - at or above expenses... so extra cashflow that might come in..ways to cut expenses (if any - if they have all been cut)...  and even if a certain amount of extra cash does come it, is that extra cash going to be allocated towards BTC or should the emergency fund (kept in dollars) be replenished first?  Some discretionary questions, but if we are in a certain kind of "tight" position, some choices are going to be more logical than others in terms of hopefully minimizing the amount of gambling that any of us might be employing into the allocations (or BTC accumulation strategies) that we choose.

They again delayed. I think they will never repay anything.

https://en.ethereumworldnews.com/mtgox-bitcoin-repayment-plan-delayed/

Poppe also saying: They will not release.

https://twitter.com/CryptoMichNL/status/1563904662092365824
I was always a bit confused where people got a payout date to begin with. As a creditor, you’d think I’d have gotten some sort of communication to expect a payout. We haven’t even been able to choose if we want the early payout or not yet. I think this saga will drag on a long time, with an effect on the market for at least a month or two.

If the GOX trustees have clarified who is going to get paid and how they are supposed to get paid, then fucking start paying out.. who cares about what the market might do?.. or the recipients might dump.. who fucking cares?  Starts to seem like a scam that they won't pay out the coins and just coming up with baloney reasons to delay and delay.. at least previously the reasons seemed somewhat legitimate to sort out who has claims and whether they were entitled to their claims (which has taken about 8.5 years so far).

I do understand that there are one or two third-parties who bought out a stupendous amounts of coins - the claims of a great number of GOX creditors for pennies on the dollars.. so sure, maybe Gox trustees might ration out the dispensation of those coins.. but still people have a right to their coins, including the persons/companies who bought out the claims of other Gox Creditors.. and if any of those rightful owners want to dump their BTC or whatever the fuck they are going to do with their coins once they get them, then just let it be whatever it is going to be rather than trying to strategize based on seemingly baseless reasons and delaying getting the coins to their proper owners (and seemingly without even any kind of legitimate reason.. at least the fact that they might dump and the market is down surely does not seem to be an adequate and/or sufficient reason NOT to give the coins to their rightful owners.). ..

Get a move on it GOXie Poxie trustees.. you dweeb twats.. Despense those damned cornz. the lil precious that are not yours... !!!!!!    Angry Angry Angry   and that's how I really feel... ... Shocked   at this moment as I type this post Tongue
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Already left trading after making 17k from one single trade ($31k to $22k SHORT).
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg60375239#msg60375239

I don't want to short it but I am holding my Fiat to buy the actual dip. <3
Why not we just wait and watch? or you have Your opinion and LONG IT X20?
Or maybe you don't have any opinion because you don't know what the F is going on in the market? sounds like it.

Good for you!
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There are many people in the WO who went long, when you were still in high school age (according to your bio).

probably just some young lad who is simply sharing.
Made 17K on a trade-good for him, right  Wink

so if 17k in an trade is impressive wait till you make 10 or 100 times times that while sleeping.

see theres this thing..... we call it hodl
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