Third alt coin thread last two were too big. Builds links thoughts etc

[philipma1957]

nothing so "complex" abt it

end of the day it is lowest cost per hash + best efficiency be it an ori or modded bios. no matter how it is tuned or adjusted, 480 will consume more power than the 470's.

simple, now show/tell me:

470 4gb vs 480 4gb perf vs watts so on and so forth according to list you listed out.

50-100W more is a RUBBISH comment & spreading FUD !

obviously i do have actual results mate as i am also sharing it with citronick live, i will also test SMOS shortly using the RX 5xx series. all i can say atm, the driver is pretty unstable. there are some new features too.

depends how "best" is categorized for a miner in terms of a kiddo making rubbish comments (2-3 mths ROI?) or in terms of a commercial/investment operations.

tbh, best is, least $ spent/invested for the best returns in shortest period of time, well that's for me for a start.

numbers NEVER lie

of course  but many of us don't do a 100 gpu  plus setup.

for me in the garage   3 or 4  rigs filled with 1080 ti's  will be better then 5 rigs filled with rx 480 8gb.

For a guy with 100 rx 470 4gb using custom flashed cards they make sense due to the extra power save.

 I  have seen claims of a 6 card zec with rx 470 8gb doing 1500 h using 600 watts at the k-watt meter.  that is a nice rig and x it by 50  since the custom rom cost money it makes more sense for that miner.

It is why smaller miners are disadvantaged since custom flashed cards are not cost effective for one 5 card.  So people decide to diy a flash  with good and bad results.

I have a thread with 5 links to  I fucked my card up flashing it.  If I spent a day I would find 100 links here on this site.

When you do a calculation or statement about rx 470 4gb  you naturally don't have this happen to your gear  and you don't factor it in.

I am not attacking you statement I am saying it is based on your setups'  

So what is your dead card or damaged card due to flashing loss  under 2% correct ?

Do your figures with a 10% fail rate for flashed cards. This alters the numbers.
  
 100 flashed 2 bad is 98 good  
 100 flashed 10 bad is 90 good.

that alters the statement. you made.

now lower it to a guy 1 rig six cards  1 dead due to a bad flash  5 good  he has a 16 ⅔ % fail rate
and the next guy  1 rig  six cards    0 dead due to all good flash    he has a 0 % flash rate

first guy hates flashing
second guy loves flashing

first guy was better off with all rx 480 8gb
second guy is like you happy with rx 470 4gb

over all fail rate is 8%  but for one guy it was 16 % the other 8%

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[zer0k]

The new 580/570 series are ~3-10% quicker but use 50-100W more power.

er, yeah...
anandtech review, including power consumption:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/11278/amd-radeon-rx-580-rx-570-review/16

And...that page shows the Powercolor RX580 using 296W vs 231W for an RX480.
Maybe I overstated a bit saying 50-100W more, but it is definitely significant. Check all of the other reviews...

https://www.hardocp.com/article/2017/04/18/amd_radeon_rx_580_powercolor_red_devil_golden_sample/10
https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/asus_radeon_rx_580_strix_review,5.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Sapphire/RX_580_Nitro_Plus/28.html

[philipma1957]

The new 580/570 series are ~3-10% quicker but use 50-100W more power.

er, yeah...
anandtech review, including power consumption:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/11278/amd-radeon-rx-580-rx-570-review/16

And...that page shows the Powercolor RX580 using 296W vs 231W for an RX480.
Maybe I overstated a bit saying 50-100W more, but it is definitely significant. Check all of the other reviews...

https://www.hardocp.com/article/2017/04/18/amd_radeon_rx_580_powercolor_red_devil_golden_sample/10
https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/asus_radeon_rx_580_strix_review,5.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Sapphire/RX_580_Nitro_Plus/28.html

those reviews are not for miners.  they are not how we use a gpu.

granted some miners do pedal to the floor mining .

many of us don't.

I would not be able to determine what a rx 580 8gb does compared to a rx 480 gb does unless I run it on my gear.

[yslyung]

nope & nope

i am happy with 470 4gb in terms of dollar per hash & it outperforms the 480 8gb

never failed in flashing over 300+ gpus well once but it was my silly mistake & recovered, if it was a failure of gpu due to a bad flash, or purchasing expensive gpus to invest in mining be it in the big or small numbers it's still a risk to be considered.

a stock gpu used for mining does not mean it will not fail or burn due to various reasons, same goes to flashing.

back on the power consumption YES it uses more but for gaming & OC'ing but in terms of mining ? hmmm my guess it won't be as high as what is posted on anandtech's review.

also depends on the efficiency/quality of psu's that's being used too. everything counts & it does adds up.

[Biodom]

i started with two MSI 570.
It looks like they are better than 470 by 5-10%, so they would do 300 in zec (almost certain)
2X300=600 and use 120X2=240W=2.5/w
1070s use 150w and do 425 (conservatively)=2.83 (slightly better, but not as big a difference as before)
two 570 cost about $380 at newegg
one 1070 cost 360-400 (after rebate, but those take FOREVER)
so now it seems that msi 570 is basically the same as 1070 in zec, but in ethereum 570 would definitely do better.

I now focus on 470/570 for eth and on 1070/1080 (used) for zec.

[zer0k]

The new 580/570 series are ~3-10% quicker but use 50-100W more power.

er, yeah...
anandtech review, including power consumption:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/11278/amd-radeon-rx-580-rx-570-review/16

And...that page shows the Powercolor RX580 using 296W vs 231W for an RX480.
Maybe I overstated a bit saying 50-100W more, but it is definitely significant. Check all of the other reviews...

https://www.hardocp.com/article/2017/04/18/amd_radeon_rx_580_powercolor_red_devil_golden_sample/10
https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/asus_radeon_rx_580_strix_review,5.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Sapphire/RX_580_Nitro_Plus/28.html

those reviews are not for miners.  they are not how we use a gpu.

granted some miners do pedal to the floor mining .

many of us don't.

I would not be able to determine what a rx 580 8gb does compared to a rx 480 gb does unless I run it on my gear.

Absolutely agree, but this is an interesting starting point

I personally trust Anandtech's reviews and they clearly show overall voltages have increased by around 0.1v when using AMD’s reference clocks, and closer to 0.15v for the full factory overclocks.

If we start to consider undervolting, and custom bios flashing then that changes the game completely.

I'm really looking forward to hearing from miners once they get their hands on them

[philipma1957]

Thought some of you guys might like this

Galax 1080ti FE for US$659
No tax in most states and $18.66 shipping via FedEx

http://galaxstore.net/GALAX-GeForce-GTX-1080-TI-Founders-Edition_p_123.html

Possible scam

do not purchase.

[philipma1957]

Thought some of you guys might like this

Galax 1080ti FE for US$659
No tax in most states and $18.66 shipping via FedEx

http://galaxstorenet/GALAX-GeForce-GTX-1080-TI-Founders-Edition_p_123.html

Possible scam

do not purchase.

[yslyung]

too lazy to post at too many threads, for your kind references . . . more to come soon.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1806061.msg18644326#msg18644326

[JaredKaragen]

Phil;  Do the spot math on skein coins on a multipool vs. ZEC... (for instance I use zpool)....


(1080 hashrate) X (current zpool Skein profit/Mh)
485*0.00586 =2.8421mbtc or 0.0028421 BTC...

Are you making more than that with ZEC/day?  Everytime I switch to equihash coins, my profitability graph for the day is less....  skein has been pretty profitable for me.  Especially since my hashrate ends up being 10-30% of pool hashrate, and that algo typically pulls in more than 1BTC/mo......

Also this is factoring in that I don't need to exchange my earnings;  I am paid directly in BTC.  Pool covers TX fees.... Win-win right there.

I haven't found a reason to switch back to even Lyra2 ever since its fall in profitability several months back.  My profitability over the last 2 months (rolling total) still is increasing....   (Usually was at 0.15BTC/2 months.... now its over 0.319 every 2 months) Click here to view the page I am referencing data from

[flminer]

Phil;  Do the spot math on skein coins on a multipool vs. ZEC... (for instance I use zpool)....


(1080 hashrate) X (current zpool Skein profit/Mh)
485*0.00586 =2.8421mbtc or 0.0028421 BTC...

Are you making more than that with ZEC/day?  Everytime I switch to equihash coins, my profitability graph for the day is less....  skein has been pretty profitable for me.  Especially since my hashrate ends up being 10-30% of pool hashrate, and that algo typically pulls in more than 1BTC/mo......

Also this is factoring in that I don't need to exchange my earnings;  I am paid directly in BTC.  Pool covers TX fees.... Win-win right there.

I haven't found a reason to switch back to even Lyra2 ever since its fall in profitability several months back.  My profitability over the last 2 months (rolling total) still is increasing....   (Usually was at 0.15BTC/2 months.... now its over 0.319 every 2 months) Click here to view the page I am referencing data from

Link for that pool? Thanks!

Nevermind. Saw it finally! Need some sleep lol

[philipma1957]

Phil;  Do the spot math on skein coins on a multipool vs. ZEC... (for instance I use zpool)....


(1080 hashrate) X (current zpool Skein profit/Mh)
485*0.00586 =2.8421mbtc or 0.0028421 BTC...

Are you making more than that with ZEC/day?  Everytime I switch to equihash coins, my profitability graph for the day is less....  skein has been pretty profitable for me.  Especially since my hashrate ends up being 10-30% of pool hashrate, and that algo typically pulls in more than 1BTC/mo......

Also this is factoring in that I don't need to exchange my earnings;  I am paid directly in BTC.  Pool covers TX fees.... Win-win right there.

I haven't found a reason to switch back to even Lyra2 ever since its fall in profitability several months back.  My profitability over the last 2 months (rolling total) still is increasing....   (Usually was at 0.15BTC/2 months.... now its over 0.319 every 2 months) Click here to view the page I am referencing data from

okay  what algo  are the options?


-o stratum+tcp://   ??      .mine.zpool.ca:<PORT> -u 1JdC6Xg3ajT3rge3FgPNSYYFpmf53Vbtje [-p <OPTIONS>]


-o stratum+tcp://skein.mine.zpool.ca: 4993 -u 1JdC6Xg3ajT3rge3FgPNSYYFpmf53Vbtje -p c=XDC









optiminer below from smos

-s equihash.usa.nicehash.com:3357 -u 1JdC6Xg3ajT3rge3FgPNSYYFpmf53Vbtje.panda1 -p x

maybe this works  using sgminer

-k skein -o stratum+tcp://skein.mine.zpool.ca: 4993 -u 1JdC6Xg3ajT3rge3FgPNSYYFpmf53Vbtje -p c=XDC



I dont see skein in  smos

back to zec

[JaredKaragen]

yeah.... see;  thats what irks me about the os packages;  most of them only keep a narrow slice of what's available algo-wise.    Understandable considering how many ports/forks of different miner apps getting different results.



FWIW, I am running it pretty simply:

Code:

ccminer.exe -a skein -o stratum+tcp://skein.mine.zpool.ca:4933 -u 1PHSDYvVp6HpqtuUPocK41DrdeHbbezaeP -p i7-920-GPU,c=BTC,skein,stats

You can run at a much higher intensity and get some more hashrate (default intensity is 20 I believe):

Code:

ccminer.exe -i 26 -a skein -o stratum+tcp://skein.mine.zpool.ca:4933 -u 1PHSDYvVp6HpqtuUPocK41DrdeHbbezaeP -p i7-920-GPU,c=BTC,skein,stats

In the password field, you can see how I added a miner name to it.  it does nothing poolside.  Selected my payout coin, algo(s) I am mining (only skein), and enabling stats to be saved by the pool about the card(s) in the system.

*edit* to add clarity:  the password field is to select payout type, algo(s) being mined, and any other poolside options that may be available such as device stats.

for multi algo batches, you would add each algo to the password field that the pool can select for you to mine. If you mine more than one, set retries to 0 on command line (via '-r 0' flag), and when the server wants you on a different algo (thats selected via pw field) then it sends a stratum disconnect and the batch tries each algo in the loop till stratum lets the connection go through.    This part really confuses people about the multi-algo pools.  Hopefully I extrapolated enough.

ccminer 1.7 tpruvot

If you choose a payout in anything but BTC;  you have to wait for enough pool earnings to make payouts to people requesting that coin in return.

If I can help you at all, LMK.  My batch makes mining different algos simple on zpool, as well as you can view miner stats via the webpage wallet page (same as link I provided above).

-Al

[philipma1957]

okay I got some action on a test rig


http://zpool.ca/?address=1JdC6Xg3ajT3rge3FgPNSYYFpmf53Vbtje

[JaredKaragen]

okay I got some action on a test rig


http://zpool.ca/?address=1JdC6Xg3ajT3rge3FgPNSYYFpmf53Vbtje

cool beans.   interested if you see the same results as I.

Alot of my "what to mine" factoring is what % of pool hashrate I am and how much that algo makes/mo....   adds clarity to profitability; and shows how much luck can influence on that algo.

For some reason im not seeing anything from that wallet address....   sorta cornfusing... blank wallet page with no graphs...   odd.

[philipma1957]

okay I got some action on a test rig


http://zpool.ca/?address=1JdC6Xg3ajT3rge3FgPNSYYFpmf53Vbtje

cool beans.   interested if you see the same results as I.

Alot of my "what to mine" factoring is what % of pool hashrate I am and how much that algo makes/mo....   adds clarity to profitability; and shows how much luck can influence on that algo.

For some reason im not seeing anything from that wallet address....   sorta cornfusing... blank wallet page with no graphs...   odd.

Yeah I know but the miner says it works.

I did an older version 1.7

I will try 1.8.3
Now running 1.8.3

Home page says wait 24 hours

Well I am only running 1 card to test.  I will figure it out in the morning.


you

Code:

ccminer.exe -i 26 -a skein -o stratum+tcp://skein.mine.zpool.ca:4933 -u 1PHSDYvVp6HpqtuUPocK41DrdeHbbezaeP -p i7-920-GPU,c=BTC,skein,stats

me

Code:

ccminer.exe -i 26 -a skein -o stratum+tcp://skein.mine.zpool.ca:4933 -u 1JdC6Xg3ajT3rge3FgPNSYYFpmf53Vbtje -p i5-6400t-GPU,c=BTC,skein,stats

maybe  the i5-6400t has confused it.


http://zpool.ca/


ZPOOL
No registration is required, payouts are made to the BTC address you mine with as your username.
Payouts are made automatically every 6 hours for all balances above 0.005 and balances more than 0.0005 are paid on Sunday.
There is an initial delay before the first payout as coins you mine need to mature then, exchange and get returned to zpool, please wait at least 24 hours before asking for support.
Non-BTC payouts depend on that coin being mined as your BTC balance is traded internally by our system to your currency of choice. If we have not or are not mining that currency your payouts will be delayed until the pool has mined the blocks for you to get paid. If you notice in the pools status that the currency is red, it means there is not sufficient amount of the currency to pay miner(s). It's recommended to use BTC as any other coin could be removed at anytime and payouts will not occur.

  maybe the bolded line is the issue

[citronick]

okay I got some action on a test rig


http://zpool.ca/?address=1JdC6Xg3ajT3rge3FgPNSYYFpmf53Vbtje

cool beans.   interested if you see the same results as I.

Alot of my "what to mine" factoring is what % of pool hashrate I am and how much that algo makes/mo....   adds clarity to profitability; and shows how much luck can influence on that algo.

For some reason im not seeing anything from that wallet address....   sorta cornfusing... blank wallet page with no graphs...   odd.

JK -- do you still maintain your ccminer auto-switch-algo scripts?

[crypticj]

I am so confused about using ccminer multialgo switching where can i get more info on mining for zpool? and using multi switching algo? i have 1 GTX 1070 i would really like to try it on.

i currently use Nicehash but its not the best return about $2.5 per day on average.

[crypticj]

Never mind I just had to read the manual few more times... its starting to make sense.

[JaredKaragen]

If you hit any major road blocks, I'll help.

I also suggest the manual mode batch script I have posted via the link in my sig.

There are links to all of the releases of the miner apps I am using in that thread, and the linked original batch post.