[ANN][HLM] HELIUM

[Lucasgabd]

are there news already on when markets will open on cryptopia?
maybe even better to wait after the 25th, if possible. so there's no major dump for the fork.

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[thesavoyard]

I hope it gets listed at Bittrex, you need at least one major exchange to generate buzz.

[jwiz168]

Just waiting for  heliumpay market to open . It would really be interesting to know how much is the value of the token.

[Mikanoshi]

I hope it gets listed at Bittrex, you need at least one major exchange to generate buzz.

Exchange that generates buzz itself by locking accounts and requesting your selfie

[Maicol792]

When mining start? I think this coin in this moment with large distribution on d3 miner have a large opportunity for a good success

[3sobaki]

how do I get helium.
I had a spred on my wallet

[PhaseshiftUK]

I hope it gets listed at Bittrex, you need at least one major exchange to generate buzz.

Exchange that generates buzz itself by locking accounts and requesting your selfie

As more countries start to regulate cryptocurrency trading, expect to need to send more selfies and info to use exchanges.

[PhaseshiftUK]

Interesting.... I thought that taxes would only count when cashing out as a "capital gains tax"

I think that if someone gives you a physical gold bar "for free", in some cases you should pay taxes for that, even if you not sell it for money. Same for cryptocurrency "airdrops".

That is insane... that would mean anything that I have ever been given "for free" in life I would have to pay taxes on.....
This is the exact reason why we need cryptocurrencies.....  greedy governments want their cut of something that is not theirs.... THIEVES!!!

Insane, yes.  The government wants you pay taxes on every source of income.

Remember we're supposed to be in control of our government.  If you don't like what they are doing, make sure your "representatives" are aware of your displeasure and that you vote for those people who really decrease taxes, not just those who say they do.

That said, also remember there's no such thing as a "free lunch".  Everything the government doles out is stolen from others.  If you are a large recipient of those handouts, don't complain about the taxes unless you want the "free" stuff to disappear.

For the rest of us "Peters" who are robbed to pay the "Pauls", however, sorry Paul, your days of free lunches are coming to an end.

You say "Everything the government doles out is stolen from others".  I think that is a selfish way to look at it.

I live in the UK, and am quite happy to pay my taxes in order to fund out National Health Service, benefits for those less fortunate than myself (yes, some people do take the p*ss, but the vast majority need this assistance), investment in infrastructure (even if I may disagree on some of the choices the Government make), etc.

At the end of this tax year I will be declaring my cryptocurrency investments and gains (hopefully!).  That's not to say that I will not be taking advantage of my tax allowances where it makes sense, since our allowed gains are low (https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/rates-and-allowances-capital-gains-tax/capital-gains-tax-rates-and-annual-tax-free-allowances) and I no longer have income - in the sense of being paid to work - to use my tax allowance from (https://www.gov.uk/income-tax-rates).  I will still be paying, quite happily, tax on most of what I have made.

Expect Governments to monitor transactions on major coins more and more if they think people are dodging taxes that way.  See https://www.technocracy.news/index.php/2017/08/28/bitcoin-loses-anonymity-irs-tracks-bitcoiners-new-blockchain-analysis-tools/ and http://bitcoinist.com/irs-catch-bitcoin-tax-cheats/ for example.  Trying to dodge taxes via this method is going to get harder and make it more likely that you will face investigation, fines and perhaps jail-time for significant amounts.

[Blackforce]

Does anyone know the launch date? I’m curious what price will have

[PhaseshiftUK]

I would hope closer to the $3 mark, as anything less would mean that everyone who had tokens swapped just lost an ass-load of money

Remember the initial value that hits your wallet counts as a taxable event.  Personally I'd rather it start at $.50 and then climb to $100 over the next year, so that long term capital gains tax can be used.

Interesting.... I thought that taxes would only count when cashing out as a "capital gains tax"
As long as it stays crypto then no tax??
Please inform me..... it has been a while since I have checked into the whole crypto tax mess

This is not the best place to get tax advice.  Tax and laws vary by country (and in certain places, by state).  Find an accountant with up to date knowledge of taxing of cryptocurrencies in your jurisdiction and talk to them.  Keep good records (not just relying on what you can see in the wallet, just in case you ever lose access).  Look at the most recent legislation and rulings about Cryptocurrency, both where you are, and (to get a feel for the direction it is heading) around the world.

[PhaseshiftUK]

Does anyone know the launch date? I’m curious what price will have

No, or at least it has not been revealed yet.  I suggest joining the Slack channel and watching #announcements.

[detectiveduck]

Does anyone know the launch date? I’m curious what price will have

No, or at least it has not been revealed yet.  I suggest joining the Slack channel and watching #announcements.

Thanks. I'm curious too...

[DANTER]

Interesting.... I thought that taxes would only count when cashing out as a "capital gains tax"

I think that if someone gives you a physical gold bar "for free", in some cases you should pay taxes for that, even if you not sell it for money. Same for cryptocurrency "airdrops".

That is insane... that would mean anything that I have ever been given "for free" in life I would have to pay taxes on.....
This is the exact reason why we need cryptocurrencies.....  greedy governments want their cut of something that is not theirs.... THIEVES!!!

Insane, yes.  The government wants you pay taxes on every source of income.

Remember we're supposed to be in control of our government.  If you don't like what they are doing, make sure your "representatives" are aware of your displeasure and that you vote for those people who really decrease taxes, not just those who say they do.

That said, also remember there's no such thing as a "free lunch".  Everything the government doles out is stolen from others.  If you are a large recipient of those handouts, don't complain about the taxes unless you want the "free" stuff to disappear.

For the rest of us "Peters" who are robbed to pay the "Pauls", however, sorry Paul, your days of free lunches are coming to an end.

You say "Everything the government doles out is stolen from others".  I think that is a selfish way to look at it.

I live in the UK, and am quite happy to pay my taxes in order to fund out National Health Service, benefits for those less fortunate than myself (yes, some people do take the p*ss, but the vast majority need this assistance), investment in infrastructure (even if I may disagree on some of the choices the Government make), etc.

At the end of this tax year I will be declaring my cryptocurrency investments and gains (hopefully!).  That's not to say that I will not be taking advantage of my tax allowances where it makes sense, since our allowed gains are low (https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/rates-and-allowances-capital-gains-tax/capital-gains-tax-rates-and-annual-tax-free-allowances) and I no longer have income - in the sense of being paid to work - to use my tax allowance from (https://www.gov.uk/income-tax-rates).  I will still be paying, quite happily, tax on most of what I have made.

Expect Governments to monitor transactions on major coins more and more if they think people are dodging taxes that way.  See https://www.technocracy.news/index.php/2017/08/28/bitcoin-loses-anonymity-irs-tracks-bitcoiners-new-blockchain-analysis-tools/ and http://bitcoinist.com/irs-catch-bitcoin-tax-cheats/ for example.  Trying to dodge taxes via this method is going to get harder and make it more likely that you will face investigation, fines and perhaps jail-time for significant amounts.

I also live in UK , and just wondering how you paying taxes on crypto ?
Is the capital gain tax apply only when you xchange crypto to fiat or this is more complicated ?

[mdude77]

You say "Everything the government doles out is stolen from others".  I think that is a selfish way to look at it.

I live in the UK, and am quite happy to pay my taxes in order to fund out National Health Service, benefits for those less fortunate than myself (yes, some people do take the p*ss, but the vast majority need this assistance), investment in infrastructure (even if I may disagree on some of the choices the Government make), etc.

What you state above is quite fine, even exemplary, if it's voluntary.  Anything else is theft and coercion.

If I were to force you to do what governments force you to do, I'd be locked up with the key thrown away, or worse.

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[PhaseshiftUK]

I also live in UK , and just wondering how you paying taxes on crypto ?
Is the capital gain tax apply only when you xchange crypto to fiat or this is more complicated ?

I've only been trading crypto for a few months, so not yet had to sort out the paperwork for filing a tax return and I haven't talked to my accountant about how to handle the accounts yet.

I suggest that you read https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/revenue-and-customs-brief-9-2014-bitcoin-and-other-cryptocurrencies/revenue-and-customs-brief-9-2014-bitcoin-and-other-cryptocurrencies and talk to an accountant.  At least you don't need to worry about VAT unless you are selling good or services (and have a revenue over the threshold, as detailed at https://www.gov.uk/vat-registration/calculate-turnover ).

[PhaseshiftUK]

You say "Everything the government doles out is stolen from others".  I think that is a selfish way to look at it.

I live in the UK, and am quite happy to pay my taxes in order to fund out National Health Service, benefits for those less fortunate than myself (yes, some people do take the p*ss, but the vast majority need this assistance), investment in infrastructure (even if I may disagree on some of the choices the Government make), etc.

What you state above is quite fine, even exemplary, if it's voluntary.  Anything else is theft and coercion.

No, it is not theft or coercion.  By remaining a resident/national of that country/state you agree to abide by the laws laid out by Government.
Some well-off people move outside of the UK for tax reasons (e.g. to Switzerland).  That is how you "opt out" of paying tax in the UK.

Would you opt out of using services paid for in your country by taxes?  What about refuse collection?

If I were to force you to do what governments force you to do, I'd be locked up with the key thrown away, or worse.

Suppose that you were my landlord.  What if I decided that I thought that you were charging me too much money, so just paid you less each month.  Why should I care if you can't pay the mortgage for the place or carry out repairs any more?  Do you see the fallacy of that?

[Steven3iii]

How would the government even know you have cryptocurrency? They are not that good. They are lucky they run html websites.

[mdude77]

If I were to force you to do what governments force you to do, I'd be locked up with the key thrown away, or worse.

Suppose that you were my landlord.  What if I decided that I thought that you were charging me too much money, so just paid you less each month.  Why should I care if you can't pay the mortgage for the place or carry out repairs any more?  Do you see the fallacy of that?

The difference is you have contract with your landlord.  I have no contract with my government.  I made no agreements with them.  I didn't sign anything indicating I agreed to their terms and conditions.

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[tradingdisaster]

The difference is you have contract with your landlord.  I have no contract with my government.  I made no agreements with them.  I didn't sign anything indicating I agreed to their terms and conditions.

Guys, would you please be so kind and take the off-topic stuff elsewhere? I am not subscribed to this thread to read page after page of dim-witted misunderstandings of how societies work, this is A THREAD ABOUT HELIUM COIN.

Thanks.

[lijoe408]

Has anyone here heard anything at all from Bittrex? I still haven't gotten a response and i'm wondering if anyone got on regarding the token swap? I know that there's got to be a ton of people who kept their tokens on bittrex waiting for this swap.