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April 12, 2018, 01:58:55 PM
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I just heard unconfirmed rumours that Alibaba and Taobao will shortly be banning the sales of mining hardware through their platforms. Maybe Bitmain just cleared their stock before moving their operation somewhere else.

On another note, I am unable to access bitmains site from any European location I have access to. All traceroutes seem to stop at the Chinese border router of Cogent currently. Can you guys access www.bitmain.com or shop.bitmain.com?

I for one feel lucky I could order some of the $462 L3+  Smiley

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April 12, 2018, 02:03:12 PM
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I just heard unconfirmed rumours that Alibaba and Taobao will shortly be banning the sales of mining hardware through their platforms. Maybe Bitmain just cleared their stock before moving their operation somewhere else.

On another note, I am unable to access bitmains site from any European location I have access to. All traceroutes seem to stop at the Chinese border router of Cogent currently. Can you guys access www.bitmain.com or shop.bitmain.com?

I for one feel lucky I could order some of the $462 L3+  Smiley

Their website works fine. Cheap L3+ is sold out as of now.
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April 12, 2018, 02:04:57 PM
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It seems they have removed the L3+ from the website. No more on sale.

It was there earlier today, then sold-out status. But wait, it's back, USD485 ea now.
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April 12, 2018, 02:46:13 PM
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It seems they have removed the L3+ from the website. No more on sale.

It was there earlier today, then sold-out status. But wait, it's back, USD485 ea now.

And they sent me like a zillion $100 coupons lol.

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April 12, 2018, 03:03:01 PM
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I used my $200 coupons, it covered the shipping cost.

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April 12, 2018, 03:10:31 PM
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Only main difference I see with this new batch is that they ship starting from the 20th of April instead of 11-20 like the last batch they had, and they raised the price of both the L3+ and the E3 slightly ($462-485 and $1800-1872 respectively). I guess they really want to get rid of their existing L3+ stock and prepare for a potential new Scrypt miner release right now.
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April 12, 2018, 05:15:19 PM
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Only main difference I see with this new batch is that they ship starting from the 20th of April instead of 11-20 like the last batch they had, and they raised the price of both the L3+ and the E3 slightly ($462-485 and $1800-1872 respectively). I guess they really want to get rid of their existing L3+ stock and prepare for a potential new Scrypt miner release right now.

I think it is also because litecoin price rose recently.

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April 12, 2018, 06:22:17 PM
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Again, to clarify why I got 6 units each from the last 2 price batches of L3+'s on the Bitmain site....(not everyone will have this angle to try this)
Total of 12 Bitmain L3+'s with PSU's etc.
or you could call it "The convuluted bigger miner hedge..that may not work..and just moving the deck chairs around on the Titanic project!"
To clarify why a few miners (that have Bitmain L3+'s that have ROI'd already...providing an income stream and self-employed solo401k)
MAY want to get these Bitmain L3+ units now........

brad


I was thinking this too, buy a small number of these cheap to add to my small production , using coupons and all, with a relatively short term ROI , and "dollar cost average" machines I bought in Jan / Feb ... all which you basically already stated,

but my worry is new Scrypt miners may soon be hitting the market (not the 15TH that someone just mentioned...) but the next GEN of SCRYPT that would ruin the idea of buying more ...   

HMMM ...  Also I just noticed that BITMAIN accepting USD WIRE, BCH, BTC, and LTC ... when I bought back in FEB they only accepted BCH and USD wire, and some units I bought in JAN could only be bought with BCH ... wonder why the openness to accept more forms of payment now??
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April 12, 2018, 07:31:32 PM
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L3+ is probably a good bet if you have $200 coupons.


I do think it's not much longer for the world though.

Had a couple facts collide in my mind last night.

I am now strongly of the opinion that the video that claimed to be about a "Bitmain F3 miner for ethash" was in fact about a 14/16 nm new SCRYPT miner.

1500ish Mhash would be right in the ballpark I'd expect a new L3+ sized miner to be with a node drop from 28nm.

Bitmain putting the L3+ on sale at what is probably "close to cost" looks like their usual "fire sale the remaining stock of the old model, start selling out the Hashnest units, while we replace them with the initial production of a new more-efficient model" routine.


I'm now anticipating that Bitmain will release the "L5" Scrypt miner in 2-3 months, specified at 1550 -0 +5% hashrate using 1000 watts -0 +10% at the wall when used with an APW3+.
Price will be a big question mark - but I'd not bet on MUCH less than $2000 unless Litecoin price drops noticeably between now and July.


It's interesting Bitmain is willing to accept LTC and BTC on the L3+, after many months of insistence on folks using BCH for ANY of their miners.
Either they're desperate to move those last L3+ units, or they're finally getting a clue that "insisting on folks using OUR garbagecoin for miner sales is costing us sales".

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April 12, 2018, 10:48:59 PM
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Sell your L3+ toasters now that you can get something ....  Kiss

New Scrypt miners at 15TH are already plugged in.

Wake up !!



don't matter if I'm mining till End of Life on the miners I have now ...into the solo401k as self-employed for tax purposes

thou...you could make the point I could run out of miners (doorstops) due to difficulty before I filled up the solo401k (15k) etc

But ..catch is ...must have the self-employed income to do this...damn hard to do this w/o miners (i suppose trading would be the same)

thus my bet to either

1) run out the clock till 'doorstops'

or

2) perhaps float along for a bit.....modestly and fill up the old solo401k (which you can fill up with crypto in the sandbox if it stays in the sandbox)

but your point is well taken on Bitmain and equipment

My theory is..that Bitmain will ANNOUNCE pre-orders for such an improved miner NOW...mine it over the summer and then release it to the public in the fall

after they have run up difficulty again by 30% plus like they did from dec to march on the previous batches of many flavor'd ASIC's they sell

So if my 'guess' works....run the works into the ground by August and mine what I can before all doorstops..if NOT even better...

(actually, being a hobby miner again would be 'soothing' ...)

anyway, again also my equip purchase of bitmain's stuff was a 'hedge" against 4K coin and too much dubious altcoins (that I got equip with)

so a bit of diversification...but IF your point on it, all going off the rails due to new equip by bitmain I THINK I can mine for a bit more and wrap it up

and at worse these last 12 miners were just oranges for oranges (even)...hedging is never a sure thing...it just stops me from crying like a small child

and gives me the illusion that I know what I'm doing....Will be 5 years on Friday 4/13/18 since I signed up to Bitcointalk and got into crypto world

sh*t still clueless....but by all means HODL your crypto if you can...or make a run for the border in my boat if you can't...and again only what you can

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April 13, 2018, 12:02:08 AM
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Again, to clarify why I got 6 units each from the last 2 price batches of L3+'s on the Bitmain site....(not everyone will have this angle to try this)
Total of 12 Bitmain L3+'s with PSU's etc.
or you could call it "The convuluted bigger miner hedge..that may not work..and just moving the deck chairs around on the Titanic project!"
To clarify why a few miners (that have Bitmain L3+'s that have ROI'd already...providing an income stream and self-employed solo401k)
MAY want to get these Bitmain L3+ units now........

brad


I was thinking this too, buy a small number of these cheap to add to my small production , using coupons and all, with a relatively short term ROI , and "dollar cost average" machines I bought in Jan / Feb ... all which you basically already stated,

but my worry is new Scrypt miners may soon be hitting the market (not the 15TH that someone just mentioned...) but the next GEN of SCRYPT that would ruin the idea of buying more ...   

HMMM ...  Also I just noticed that BITMAIN accepting USD WIRE, BCH, BTC, and LTC ... when I bought back in FEB they only accepted BCH and USD wire, and some units I bought in JAN could only be bought with BCH ... wonder why the openness to accept more forms of payment now??
People keep forgetting the L3+ is a 28NM board technology. Trust me, it's coming. It's not that big a feat for them to update it. Look at the LTC Diff. It's parabolic. Bitmain is already hashing the new tech. Here comes the BOOM!!

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April 13, 2018, 05:29:41 AM
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15GH/s are new miners and they are using 1300w. This is 100% information, my friend is working at bitmain. They will be on sale at the end of summer. L5 is the name...
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15GH/s are new miners and they are using 1300w. This is 100% information, my friend is working at bitmain. They will be on sale at the end of summer. L5 is the name...

Well, newbie post and all...15gh at 1300 watts seems high...even for Bitmain..if true..it is all over folks because Bitmain will run them all summer before consumer product

and that would well double the LTC network..thus making this unit the only miners running (by them) and the consumer product shipped by fall...if sold end of summer

then again, newbie post ...15gh is a stretch indeed...but a good 'scare' none the less

(I'd be about 3k behind on the hedge, in previous posts, on getting these last 12 miners from the last 2 sales by Bitmain ... from what I figure (with elec paid)...)

Be dang near impossible IMHO to do 15gh at 1300 watts ..now if the poster MEANT 1.5gh at 1300 watts...that I would see as very likely...Indeed...espeically with the

end of Summer sale..which means we'd get them in say first week of Oct 2018...(kinda/sorta) after Bitmain mined the hell out them in their data hall all Summer...

Indeed, even at 1.5gh at 1300 watts, Bitmain alone could well double the difficulty on LTC...anyway, if the case ...my 11,000mh at 17,600 watts would be toast...

with either 15gh or 1.5gh units....end of Summer could be all she wrote...

(crypto always drama)


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April 13, 2018, 07:02:25 AM
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I have Ordered 16x L3+($462) with 1x 420 and 15x 350 coupons on 10 April. 
But few hours later, support told me that the order will be canceled due to coupons issues.(the coupons can only deduct no more than 50% of the product price).
Then i re-order 12x L3+($462) again with 12x 200 coupons.

$462-$200=262 still sweet.
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April 13, 2018, 10:40:55 AM
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I have Ordered 16x L3+($462) with 1x 420 and 15x 350 coupons on 10 April.  
But few hours later, support told me that the order will be canceled due to coupons issues.(the coupons can only deduct no more than 50% of the product price).
Then i re-order 12x L3+($462) again with 12x 200 coupons.

$462-$200=262 still sweet.


The coupons pay for the shipping.  So you are still paying around $500 per unit after shipping and import fees (assuming you are here in the US)

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April 13, 2018, 11:44:21 AM
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I have Ordered 16x L3+($462) with 1x 420 and 15x 350 coupons on 10 April. 
But few hours later, support told me that the order will be canceled due to coupons issues.(the coupons can only deduct no more than 50% of the product price).
Then i re-order 12x L3+($462) again with 12x 200 coupons.

$462-$200=262 still sweet.

Not too bright there champ. You just fell for their "clearance sale". When the 16nm L4 comes out in July you'll still be upside down on those things. When will people learn?Huh? What do you think the Scrypt hash rates are gonna do when a miner hits that's twice as efficient?

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I have Ordered 16x L3+($462) with 1x 420 and 15x 350 coupons on 10 April.  
But few hours later, support told me that the order will be canceled due to coupons issues.(the coupons can only deduct no more than 50% of the product price).
Then i re-order 12x L3+($462) again with 12x 200 coupons.

$462-$200=262 still sweet.


The coupons pay for the shipping.  So you are still paying around $500 per unit after shipping and import fees (assuming you are here in the US)

wrong

462+99=561-200 = 361

3% tax  is 12 a unit so he paid 373 maybe 375 each.

that would be 1 at a time

since he ordered 12 shipping is 775 fedex to USA


so

  775 --------- shipping for 12
5544 --------- price for 12
6319 --------- pre coupon price
2400 --------- coupons
3919 --------- net for 12 or 326.58 each

3% customs could be

.03 x 6319 = 189.57 highest   add 15.82 to each one you get 342.40

.03 x 3919 = 117.57 lowest  add 9.80  to each one  you get 336.38


at 336 to 343  he did well

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you pull 690 watts hash at 410mh

and not very loud

I would say he scored.


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April 13, 2018, 12:58:16 PM
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I have Ordered 16x L3+($462) with 1x 420 and 15x 350 coupons on 10 April.  
But few hours later, support told me that the order will be canceled due to coupons issues.(the coupons can only deduct no more than 50% of the product price).
Then i re-order 12x L3+($462) again with 12x 200 coupons.

$462-$200=262 still sweet.


The coupons pay for the shipping.  So you are still paying around $500 per unit after shipping and import fees (assuming you are here in the US)

wrong

462+99=561-200 = 361

3% tax  is 12 a unit so he paid 373 maybe 375 each.

that would be 1 at a time

since he ordered 12 shipping is 775 fedex to USA


so

  775 --------- shipping for 12
5544 --------- price for 12
6319 --------- pre coupon price
2400 --------- coupons
3919 --------- net for 12 or 326.58 each

3% customs could be

.03 x 6319 = 189.57 highest   add 15.82 to each one you get 342.40

.03 x 3919 = 117.57 lowest  add 9.80  to each one  you get 336.38


at 336 to 343  he did well

these are perfect space heaters
set them to

 freq 312
 fans  24%

you pull 690 watts hash at 410mh

and not very loud

I would say he scored.


unless of course his KWh is above .10. Then it’s a loser no matter what.

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April 13, 2018, 02:34:24 PM
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I have Ordered 16x L3+($462) with 1x 420 and 15x 350 coupons on 10 April.  
But few hours later, support told me that the order will be canceled due to coupons issues.(the coupons can only deduct no more than 50% of the product price).
Then i re-order 12x L3+($462) again with 12x 200 coupons.

$462-$200=262 still sweet.


The coupons pay for the shipping.  So you are still paying around $500 per unit after shipping and import fees (assuming you are here in the US)
yeah, 4 l3 plus at 2000 mhs and 3200 watts makes $19 a day even at
the increased prices from this week. sub .07 cents power nets you $12 a day so $3 a u unit

assuming scrptt hashrates stay constant thats six months roi not terrible

but i have a feeling bitmain will pull the rug out like they always do, id stay away


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15GH/s are new miners and they are using 1300w. This is 100% information, my friend is working at bitmain. They will be on sale at the end of summer. L5 is the name...

1.5 Ghash is a figure that can be believed.
15 Ghash is NOT.
The 14/16nm node, and even the 10nm node out of Intel and Samsung, are NOT offering that degree of improvement over the 28nm node the L3+ uses.

I suspect you or "your friend" misplaced a decimal point.

1300 watts seems a bit high, but not at all out of line given recent Bitmain miners - I was already anticipating the next gen would soak more power than the L3+.

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