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June 24, 2023, 11:59:48 AM
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Don't underestimate the Saudi Arabian team, now they are willing to pay big money for football stars and that will be a special attraction for players at the end of their careers.
Mohamed Salah is now 31 years old and his performance is declining, especially with Liverpool's performance last season, it is not impossible that he will be tempted by a large fee from the Saudi Arabian team.

If you look at the current Liverpool team, of course, they still really need mistakes, especially after being left by Mane and Ferminho, only their own mistakes are left for their senior strikers, but all of that is the decision of the players.
There would be no questions about Saudi influence and money in soccer but still we have many things which are not possible with these and many players still want to stay here in European clubs for their career and achievements which are not possible in Saudi League they used their first signing Ronaldo as their weapon and now trying their all way for more stars and intention from the soccer world.

Here agreed it's no all about club it's also player who want to stay here or just want millions of $ now Liverpool is also at crucial stage as they already lost their best strikers and if Mohammad Salah also gone then surely they can face disaster in their next season which could be not good for them but most chances Mohammad Salah will not go through with this all.

But believing in upright character and worthy goals of players is ignorant of the structural consequences the Saudi sports policies entail. When Saudi money keeps rising or even being at the same level, it is so tempting for players to make the decision at younger stages of their career to go to Saudi Arabia unless European clubs raise their salaries as well to make it less painful to reject offers from Saudi Arabia. While 8 million per year were enough a decade ago to keep a 20 years of age player in your club or in your league, this has already drastically changed. Bellingham and even many others ask around 20 million these days. If now the Saudi money opens new doors to new heights at the youngest ages, all the clubs have to disregard their former limits and raise salaries as well. That will make the sport more expensive for everyone and while the Saudis don't care and would subsidize it nationally, European sport becomes more expensive but entails negative consequences also for the fans. There is a a whole new dimension of the business model of transfers and salaries in the making.

Saudi Arabia pays a fortune to football players who have come to retire just like China and they try to design Saudi football with the money. If that worked the Chinese football league would be one of the best in the world. How logical it is to transfer football players who have come to the end of their careers for advertising purposes. Any football player who comes to the end of his career always accepts high offers. We understand from the success of China in football that money is not everything. Have you ever seen a football player at the beginning or peak of his career who wants to play in the Saudi League? You didn't see it because football players at the beginning or peak of their careers want to play football in Europe. Let's see if the Saudis will be able to reverse this situation or will they continue to pay fortunes to football players whose time has come to retire.

What Saudi is doing is just to revive and teach football to its population. Any player going there is going to partake in the wealth and beauty of the place.
Playing games not as serious as the English leagues with a lot of money, sounds like a good retirement option I must say.
Behind the football craze is the marketing strategy that these countries are selling to the world. It would take a lot of generations of serious players in both china and Saudi to make their leagues as interesting as the English, Champions league.
Saudi Arabian clubs purposely sign aging players from Europe to develop their home league consequently triggering a competitive league thus to build a formidable national team with quality players picked across all the clubs in the league, of course the likes of Ronaldo, Benzema, Kante, Neves etc wealth of experience will in a long run help to develop home grown players who might learn a lot from those players as well utilize and display those skills when playing for their national team, recall in the last World Cup Saudi Arabia defeated the champion Argentina in the group stage, I believe this is one of the few steps the Football administrator in the country is trying to achieve bring in competitiveness to the national team.

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Today I read about the history of the worst transfers using artificial intelligence. In artificial intelligence including ex-England star and Arsenal record buy. I don't understand how their procedure works. They seem to combine the number of minutes played, performance, price and level of disappointment. But from this result, it explains that Arsenal have the worst record in transfer cases.  It seems that this can be an evaluation in the team. Good performances from the original club do not guarantee adaptation to a new club, although not all are the same.

Source: https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/22751383/premier-league-worst-signings-arsenal-pepe/

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June 24, 2023, 12:39:54 PM
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Today I read about the history of the worst transfers using artificial intelligence. In artificial intelligence including ex-England star and Arsenal record buy. I don't understand how their procedure works. They seem to combine the number of minutes played, performance, price and level of disappointment. But from this result, it explains that Arsenal have the worst record in transfer cases.  It seems that this can be an evaluation in the team. Good performances from the original club do not guarantee adaptation to a new club, although not all are the same.

Source: https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/22751383/premier-league-worst-signings-arsenal-pepe/

I wonder if the article confuses artificial intelligence with mere computation on pre-defined algorithms. AI usually is defined by building neural networks and coming up with their own conclusions, but drawn similar or equal to the human brain. But if it only builds plain KIs and then compares KIs between players and says what was a good buy and what was a bad buy, I think the wording AI goes too far. But whatever they name it, it reminds me of the movie Moneyball with Jonah Hill who also run these calculations on this old computer and then advised Brad Pitt which players to buy or sell. It is a fun movie and yes I think this could be a great support, but not as a standalone tool. The human mind and instinct is still important for potential transfers.

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June 24, 2023, 12:45:03 PM
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Today I read about the history of the worst transfers using artificial intelligence. In artificial intelligence including ex-England star and Arsenal record buy. I don't understand how their procedure works. They seem to combine the number of minutes played, performance, price and level of disappointment. But from this result, it explains that Arsenal have the worst record in transfer cases.  It seems that this can be an evaluation in the team. Good performances from the original club do not guarantee adaptation to a new club, although not all are the same.

Source: https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/22751383/premier-league-worst-signings-arsenal-pepe/

I think its now working out for us. Nicolas Pepe well didn't made an impact like on would have hoped for given the price at which Arsenal bought him but he did scored some crucial goals and had some good assists as well. Still again given his price his impact was too low to be considered as a decent buy so guess somehow the list says right about Pepe. Anyway I am glad that we have found a solution for him by sending him on loan and most probably will sell him in this transfer window.

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June 24, 2023, 12:57:18 PM
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What is going on! now Mohamed Salah is rumored to be the next target for the saudi league team. I can't believe that the Saudi league teams are endlessly hunting for European football stars and this time it is Mohamed Salah who will be Al-Hilal's next target. At the moment there is still no information regarding salary per season, but what is certain is that his salary will be on par with Benzema or Kante. It's a crazy investment for the Saudi league team, they don't stop to provide a comfortable place for European star players to compete in the Saudi league next season. Will Liverpool be willing to let Mohamed Salah go? What do you think?

I don't think Klopp will let Mohamed Salah leave This team. He is the most important and effective player in Liverpool if he leaves his team this will be too hard for Liverpool to find a good winger like him. Also, he is under contract until 2025 and I don't think he can leave Liverpool with this contract he has.
Liverpool is going to play in the next Europa League and they are the first hope for the title that's why they won't lose a player like Salah.
I also thought like you, but there were other factors that made Salah join Al-Hilal. Here I take the factor from my point of view only.

First, Liverpool failed to qualify for the Champions League and had to be willing to play in the European league. Of course, as a player who has always targeted the Champions League title for Liverpool, this was quite upsetting for Salah.

Second, if Salah joins Al-Hilal, of course he will be very comfortable because he is a Muslim and with the culture in Arabia, of course that will also make him believe in moving to the Saudi league team.

Thirdly, it is possible that he already feels uncomfortable in Europe, especially since he has won various titles with Liverpool, so it is likely that he will choose a large salary in the Saudi league.

But despite my speculation, I still hope that Mohamed Salah will stay at Liverpool until his contract expires in 2025.

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June 24, 2023, 01:07:37 PM
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I also thought like you, but there were other factors that made Salah join Al-Hilal. Here I take the factor from my point of view only.

First, Liverpool failed to qualify for the Champions League and had to be willing to play in the European league. Of course, as a player who has always targeted the Champions League title for Liverpool, this was quite upsetting for Salah.

Second, if Salah joins Al-Hilal, of course he will be very comfortable because he is a Muslim and with the culture in Arabia, of course that will also make him believe in moving to the Saudi league team.

Thirdly, it is possible that he already feels uncomfortable in Europe, especially since he has won various titles with Liverpool, so it is likely that he will choose a large salary in the Saudi league.

But despite my speculation, I still hope that Mohamed Salah will stay at Liverpool until his contract expires in 2025.
I also want to add a few points such as competition in the European arena which for Salah it seems increasingly difficult, apart from age there are also many newcomers who have a prime level that is more than he is at the moment. Then Moh Salah measured that the salary offered by Al Hillal would be very tempting, including cultural compatibility, which, as you said, further encouraged Salah to be sure to move.

Apart from these reasons, Moh Salah decision to leave has not been fully accepted, even the fans did not think it would happen when Liverpool still needed his services. The arrival of Allister might also make Moh Salah realize that the option to replace him has been prepared so there is no reason to last longer.

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June 24, 2023, 01:17:33 PM
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What is going on! now Mohamed Salah is rumored to be the next target for the saudi league team. I can't believe that the Saudi league teams are endlessly hunting for European football stars and this time it is Mohamed Salah who will be Al-Hilal's next target. At the moment there is still no information regarding salary per season, but what is certain is that his salary will be on par with Benzema or Kante. It's a crazy investment for the Saudi league team, they don't stop to provide a comfortable place for European star players to compete in the Saudi league next season. Will Liverpool be willing to let Mohamed Salah go? What do you think?

From my point of view, i think it is normal for Salah to be tempted to move to saudi arabia, new country, bigger wage and new culture. But i think Salah will reject this deal. Salah is still a prolific player and an important figure in the Liverpool dressing room. i Think he will remain at the merseyside. Also, i doubt Salah will leave england soon because of his family.
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Mbappe's case become even more complicated as per some news that were coming from PSG. Even it's also involving mbappe's mother as reported by marca
https://www.marca.com/en/football/real-madrid/2023/06/23/6495b025ca4741095b8b45ce.html
It seems like that's become the main reason why there are rumors if PSG wants 250m for him. I don't even think PSG wanna give him that big amount of money.
Mbappe is now threatening PSG. PSG is in a big lose if PSG was not selling mbappe right now caused by he will be leaving from the club with a free agent but at the same time PSG must have paid very big compensation for him.

That makes me feel curious about what's agreements between mbappe and PSG in the past.
This rumor is getting complicated. I read several articles that PSG didn't really want to sell Mbappe, but because there was no extension option, PSG didn't want to lose, so what they did was have to sell him this summer at an expensive price but that price didn't make sense would it? It seems that Real Madrid will not dare to go for 250 million while Real Madrid has bought several players they have also spent a lot of money, what Real Madrid wants is to arrive next season because it makes sense, especially with a free transfer.

In the end, the PSG management will now think hard, where they must immediately sell him, on the other hand, the management also doesn't want a lower price for Mbappe because he is one of the most expensive star players.

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June 24, 2023, 01:32:23 PM
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Today I read about the history of the worst transfers using artificial intelligence. In artificial intelligence including ex-England star and Arsenal record buy. I don't understand how their procedure works. They seem to combine the number of minutes played, performance, price and level of disappointment. But from this result, it explains that Arsenal have the worst record in transfer cases.  It seems that this can be an evaluation in the team. Good performances from the original club do not guarantee adaptation to a new club, although not all are the same.

Source: https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/22751383/premier-league-worst-signings-arsenal-pepe/

I think its now working out for us. Nicolas Pepe well didn't made an impact like on would have hoped for given the price at which Arsenal bought him but he did scored some crucial goals and had some good assists as well. Still again given his price his impact was too low to be considered as a decent buy so guess somehow the list says right about Pepe. Anyway I am glad that we have found a solution for him by sending him on loan and most probably will sell him in this transfer window.

I think given number of players on the flank or in the centre forward position that have arrived after Nicolas Pepe and made some real impact without being hyped up as much as Pepe was, it pretty much easy and straight forward to consider him one of the biggest transfer fails by Arsenal, arguing about the changes in coaches and general ideology would make a reasonable excuse for his failure at the club because pretty much almost nothing was working back then imo, and considering crucial goals and assist, I might not have been an Arsenal fan or saw every of their game, but I'm sure I would have seen between 40-50% of their important and crucial games they've played in the last 5-6 years (crucial and important as interpreted by me would be major cup finals, semi finals, some quarter finals (vs credible opponents), and most of the games vs top 6 opponents in the league), and I can say I barely even remember his name if I were to speak about any of these games. However, I'm sure our criterial for crucial goals and assist might be contrast for example any game winning is often crucial to every team regardless of the opponent, so it's very much likely that I missed it. Even as much as Andrey Arshavin spell almost didn't end up very well as it started, and it already should be about 10 years or more he left Arsenal, but then those 4 goals against Liverpool will live at the heart of most football lovers who witnessed it.

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June 24, 2023, 01:49:05 PM
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wouldn't that be the best experience for Mbappe because he can meet other reliable players at Real Madrid?
Mbappe will be very happy if he will able to leave from PSG and then go to the real madrid. The problem is whether real madrid will afford to pay very big amounts of money to get him from PSG? We remember that if PSG has been asking very big price for him. Mbappe is still in a conflict with PSG right now regarding the contract. Mbappe was not wlling lose a lot of money from PSG.
That's why he is trying to stay even longer in the club. all of madrid fans will be very welcome to him. The only problem is we don't know how long time they need to make it happen.

I thought Mbappe at PSG was not that selfish but I saw this selfishness in Messi who left PSG. compared to Messi I think Mbappe is better and doesn't have any selfishness and if Mbappe really can join Real Madrid I'm sure Mbappe will be even stronger because he will compete with his senior players.
Mbappe will able to be in the same club with some great players like vini even rodrygo. It will become mbappe's dream but the first thing that must be done to release him from PSG.
Madrid needs more time to make it happen. I saw some rumors if real madrid already negotiated regarding mbappe's transfer but i think this is fake news.

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June 24, 2023, 01:53:59 PM
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Manchester United is about to make its last offer for Mason Mount which is worth above his market value. But I don't know if Chelsea will be okay with this sum. It doesn't look like there will be an agreement to a new contract between Mount and Chelsea. Pochettino's arrival might change some things about him maybe but there is no guarantee for that. Let's see there is still no deal between two sides then Chelsea would have to let him go for free. I guess Chelsea boss wouldn't like to let this happen.
This will be the last bid for Chelsea made by Man United because previously they had rejected an offer from Man United at an unapproved amount. The final offer is believed to affect Chelsea and they are deliberately holding Mason Mount and letting Man United make the final bid at the numbers they want. Chelsea also know the consequences if Mason Mount is not released in the current transfer market and I am sure they will not let Mason Mount go for free.

I think Manchester United's last offer is quite sensible. Mount has grown from Chelsea youth so this will still be a serious profit for them.
Chelsea set a very fantastic price for Mason Mount and is believed to touch £ 70 million, while Man United has made three bids so far and is likely to reach the final. If it is still not approved it is likely that Man United will look for other alternatives.

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Saturday's gossip:

Juventus have set a £52m asking price for Federico Chiesa, 25, with Liverpool keen on the Italy forward, who is also attracting interest from Bayern Munich and Paris Saint-Germain. So, the big football story starts again. Where will Chiesa end up?
United are also looking at Porto and Portugal goalkeeper Diogo Costa, 23, and Brentford's Spain goalkeeper David Raya, 27, as alternatives to become their new number one. Why is United changing the goalkeeper? Or is the club just looking for a good backup solution?
Manchester United are thinking of giving Argentina winger Alejandro Garnacho, 18, the number seven shirt, which was last worn by Cristiano Ronaldo. A huge honor and recognition for a very young player. What did he do to deserve it?
Borussia Dortmund could target Chelsea and England midfielder Conor Gallagher, 23, as a replacement for Jude Bellingham. Gallagher seems like a very good replacement for Bellingham and a great deal for the club.

Source: https://www.bbc.com/sport/66003618

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Mbappe's case become even more complicated as per some news that were coming from PSG. Even it's also involving mbappe's mother as reported by marca
https://www.marca.com/en/football/real-madrid/2023/06/23/6495b025ca4741095b8b45ce.html
It seems like that's become the main reason why there are rumors if PSG wants 250m for him. I don't even think PSG wanna give him that big amount of money.
Mbappe is now threatening PSG. PSG is in a big lose if PSG was not selling mbappe right now caused by he will be leaving from the club with a free agent but at the same time PSG must have paid very big compensation for him.

That makes me feel curious about what's agreements between mbappe and PSG in the past.
This rumor is getting complicated. I read several articles that PSG didn't really want to sell Mbappe, but because there was no extension option, PSG didn't want to lose, so what they did was have to sell him this summer at an expensive price but that price didn't make sense would it? It seems that Real Madrid will not dare to go for 250 million while Real Madrid has bought several players they have also spent a lot of money, what Real Madrid wants is to arrive next season because it makes sense, especially with a free transfer.

In the end, the PSG management will now think hard, where they must immediately sell him, on the other hand, the management also doesn't want a lower price for Mbappe because he is one of the most expensive star players.

I call it Dilemma, PSG's condition is quite selfish and doesn't want to lose and then sets a high price as if it doesn't intend to sell Mbappe. At 250, all interested clubs had second thoughts that for such a fee they would have to go beyond the budget set for the transfer market. So in conclusion, like it or not, PSG, if you want to be profitable, must at least lower the price a little. In fact, no one dares to buy it so that next season Mbappe will be free. I know he is a talented player, a future star and there is no doubt about his ability, any club would want to get his services but at any price they should be able to afford him.

Returning to Real Madrid's problem here, it seems that Florentino Perez has been played by PSG because since the transfer market opened, PSG has said to the media that they have no intention of selling him, so Madrid looked for options for a while and decided to focus on buying something else. After Madrid spent money, PSG actually announced that they would sell it, isn't this ridiculous?

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June 24, 2023, 03:12:07 PM
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Mbappe's hanging statement and his decision that he did not want to automatically extend his one-season contract certainly made PSG panic a little so that this ultatum would definitely be carried out.
Now it is said in some reports that 250-300 million is possible to bring Mbappe along with the bonuses to be paid and of course this is not a real normal price for a player.Arsenal and Manchester City are battling to sign West Ham United captain Declan Rice this summer but Edu has a number of alternatives to turn to if Pep Guardiola gets his man
It will be so crazy if real madrid gonna accept it. Perez said madrid has done its last transfer this season. Mbappe's case may be finished at the end of the transfer season. So many uncertainties around him. It was making very hard to predict which direction he will take
In the case of arsenal and rice, i think it's a very wise decision if arsenal try to search for an alternative player for rice. Rice's price is definitely non sense. Competing with manchester city was making the club even harder to get him.
I'd prefer to see arsenal try to chase caicedo or lavia rather than rice. There are so many players with same quality as rice but less price compared with him.


On the other hand, the confusion over PSG's future has spread to Napoli as a domino effect in this transfer where it is reported that PSG are ready with 150 million to bring Osimhen from there. Of course this will have a domino effect where when Mbappe does leave, it is certain that there will be another striker who they will immediately bring in at a high price as well.
I have heard that if napoli was not trying to sell him in summer. He will still remain at the club till next season. It's a bit confusing which decision will be taking by napoli regarding osimhen's future but im sure a hundred percent if osimhen will stay at the club even longer.

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What is going on! now Mohamed Salah is rumored to be the next target for the saudi league team. I can't believe that the Saudi league teams are endlessly hunting for European football stars and this time it is Mohamed Salah who will be Al-Hilal's next target. At the moment there is still no information regarding salary per season, but what is certain is that his salary will be on par with Benzema or Kante. It's a crazy investment for the Saudi league team, they don't stop to provide a comfortable place for European star players to compete in the Saudi league next season. Will Liverpool be willing to let Mohamed Salah go? What do you think?

I don't think Klopp will allow Mohamed Salah to leave the team because Darwin Nunez has yet to meet expectations. If Mohammed Salah leaves the team, Liverpool's offensive efficacy will be significantly weakened. I guess Arab teams may be interested in Mohammed Salah, but I don't think Liverpool and Klopp are ready for this transfer. However, if Liverpool have a bad season next year, maybe then they will consider making radical changes at the club and maybe then they may want to part ways with Mohammed Salah, but for now, I think such a transfer is not possible.

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June 24, 2023, 03:24:19 PM
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What is going on! now Mohamed Salah is rumored to be the next target for the saudi league team. I can't believe that the Saudi league teams are endlessly hunting for European football stars and this time it is Mohamed Salah who will be Al-Hilal's next target. At the moment there is still no information regarding salary per season, but what is certain is that his salary will be on par with Benzema or Kante. It's a crazy investment for the Saudi league team, they don't stop to provide a comfortable place for European star players to compete in the Saudi league next season. Will Liverpool be willing to let Mohamed Salah go? What do you think?

I don't think Klopp will allow Mohamed Salah to leave the team because Darwin Nunez has yet to meet expectations. If Mohammed Salah leaves the team, Liverpool's offensive efficacy will be significantly weakened. I guess Arab teams may be interested in Mohammed Salah, but I don't think Liverpool and Klopp are ready for this transfer. However, if Liverpool have a bad season next year, maybe then they will consider making radical changes at the club and maybe then they may want to part ways with Mohammed Salah, but for now, I think such a transfer is not possible.

It would certainly be a loss that is not easily compensated for if mo Salah leaves Liverpool. Good strikers are hard to be found as we can currently see in the market and that is why their prices are exploding already. He is also an important leader in the team. Nunez has to increase his goal count next season. In a few games I really liked what he did, but it has to be more of the good stuff in order to help Liverpool going forward.

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June 24, 2023, 03:26:26 PM
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According to Saudi Arabia news Allegri is one step away from going there.

They are talking about 100m€  for 3 years.

I really don't know what the real reason for those extreme transfer offensive of the Saudis is. I can understand, that an ultra rich Saudi dude wants to have a super popular player in his local team because a few of his buddies are already owning Manchester City and Paris Saint Germain.
The saudis will definitely fail though if they want to somehow transform their tier 5 national league into something of relevance.
It will always be a Circus show with no real value in terms of sports.
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June 24, 2023, 03:43:51 PM
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This gonna be my first time to see arsenal to make 100 millions bid for a layer. I never seen that before. This gonna be a very good battle between city and arsenal. Westham knew that if arsenal has no other option. That's why sullivan is still rejecting the last offer by arsenal.
Manchester city was also still on the way to get rice and it's waiting for the final bid from arsenal. People will be seeing new arsenal which was also buying a player with non sense price.

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West Ham believe Arsenal's third offer for their captain Declan Rice is imminent amid hope the transfer saga is reaching its conclusion.

As of 3pm on Friday afternoon, the Hammers were still waiting on the Gunners' improved official offer after their most recent bid worth £90million was rejected.

But it is understood that West Ham are aware of Arsenal's intention to bid again for Rice, who is valued at a minimum £100million by Hammers chairman David Sullivan.

I hope that another bid will be sending by arsenal to the westham. Westham is still having patience for arsenal. Arteta shall not miss that moment to get one of his favorite player in EPL.
Manchester City seems very serious want to looking for Gundogan replacement and Guardiola seems focusing to gets new midfielder and if i am not mistaken actually Manchester City have already gets Mateo Kovacic from Chelsea and before Manchester City joining the race to gets Declan Rice actually Arsenal almost be certain to gets his signs especially Arsenal are willing to pay according to his price tag but recently some people has been encourage Rice to choose Manchester City this because at this team his potention to gets the trophies for every seasons is wide open because we all know Manchester City always be the favourite for each years and since Guardiola train this team Manchester City always ended the season with the trophy

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 Just in case Allegre wants to leave Juventus, there are already 2 coaches ready to be called from Juventus.

One of them is Antonio Conte and the other one is Igor Tudor.

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