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[Allo]

Reposting:

I feel that you are really limited, you try to make the clever for nothing by giving definitions that everyone knows. I'm going to explain what a blockchain is, it is like a database, and I'll save hash in that database.
So when the smart contract will be hashed in sha256, it will serve as an id.
Now A wants to make a trade, it leaves coins for sale and goes offline, how the database will call its smart contract? She will call it using using the hash.
I will help you learn a few things, when you read definitions ask yourself what are they for, you will be able to understand them better, so after the definitions, it is the functions.

I've tried my best to stay objective and unbiased, as all I ever wanted was to get clarity on the claimed security of the validator's private key signing the smart contract, and I very well appreciate the language barrier (btw, English isn't my first language either).
Why was I trying to get that clarity? - Because I wanted to be sure that I'd be making a sound investment.
But throughout these almost two weeks, I kept seeing a lot of smoke and mirrors. You know, it's totally understood when a given mechanism is just a trade secret and the author doesn't want to disclose that information so early.
But then it would make perfect sense to just state it as-is, instead of going in circles but never actually delivering a consistent and clear picture of the intended implementation.
The direct undeserved personal attacks and baseless name-calling is very inappropriate, especially when the respondent themselves is well aware of the problems with the language barrier and Google Translate.
I don't feel like I need to embark on a defense line here, because what I've been told speaks more about the person saying that than it does about me.
But anyone interested in verifying my professional experience which is only 25 years too late to be "limited" is more than welcome to PM me and obtain a link to my LinkedIn profile.
So, I pass on this one.
Good day all! And good luck!

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[Allo]

Ok, I see that my post got deleted by the moderator, as apparently it didn't conform with the overall "shut up you sheep" attitude of the team.
I'm just speechless to see this censorship at work.
And btw, who's the moderator here? - If it's nemgun, then I'm not surprised at all.
Just really hope it wasn't Lauda.  

I don't think it have been deleted, this thread isn't self moderated, and lauda isn't a moderator.

Well, yes it was. And I'm obviously going to share it directly with some participants of this thread.

Let me explain how it works, as you are apparently new to the forum, i am not a moderator, and the thread isn't self moderated, no one have the ability to delet your post except the moderators. which means that if your post have been deleted, it is because you broke bitcointalk's posting rules.

I read the post, there was nothing wrong with it, so somebody deleted it...it did however say that this ICO was not worth investing in.  Not sure how that can violate the forum rules.

Allo, repost it...

In fact, the post doesn't even say that this ICO is not worth investing in, - it just says what I personally have decided to do based on my failed attempts to get clarity.
And I honestly tried as best as I could to get myself convinced that there was a solid foundation, and do so through a civilized yet very specific technical discussion.

[nemgun]

Reposting:

I feel that you are really limited, you try to make the clever for nothing by giving definitions that everyone knows. I'm going to explain what a blockchain is, it is like a database, and I'll save hash in that database.
So when the smart contract will be hashed in sha256, it will serve as an id.
Now A wants to make a trade, it leaves coins for sale and goes offline, how the database will call its smart contract? She will call it using using the hash.
I will help you learn a few things, when you read definitions ask yourself what are they for, you will be able to understand them better, so after the definitions, it is the functions.

I've tried my best to stay objective and unbiased, as all I ever wanted was to get clarity on the claimed security of the validator's private key signing the smart contract, and I very well appreciate the language barrier (btw, English isn't my first language either).
Why was I trying to get that clarity? - Because I wanted to be sure that I'd be making a sound investment.
But throughout these almost two weeks, I kept seeing a lot of smoke and mirrors. You know, it's totally understood when a given mechanism is just a trade secret and the author doesn't want to disclose that information so early.
But then it would make perfect sense to just state it as-is, instead of going in circles but never actually delivering a consistent and clear picture of the intended implementation.
The direct undeserved personal attacks and baseless name-calling is very inappropriate, especially when the respondent themselves is well aware of the problems with the language barrier and Google Translate.
I don't feel like I need to embark on a defense line here, because what I've been told speaks more about the person saying that than it does about me.
But anyone interested in verifying my professional experience which is only 25 years too late to be "limited" is more than welcome to PM me and obtain a link to my LinkedIn profile.
So, I pass on this one.
Good day all! And good luck!

instead of going in circles

I do not want to make circles, I try to explain in a clear way because when I publicly reply it is necessary to be clear, not only to the person who asked the question, but also to those who read the question and the answer, who need to have other notions to understand.

personal attacks and baseless name-calling

On the other hand it is complicated to answer a question where you are told that you are not capable, in the final, it is a question or a provocation? I do not know what to say.

Allo you talk to me about mathematical breakthrou, it is to take me for an idiot, it is not nice to talk like that, imagine that it is a miss expression or typo, it is not that severe.

I also have to answer here to answer emails at the same time, given that we have a hundred a day, there are technical questions I have to answer on skype, so try to be kind enough not to disparage our work.

But then it would make perfect sense to just state it as-is

Since the beginning I said that the source code would remain closed, but I still tried to explain some mechanisms.

too late to be "limited"

What I mean by limited is that sometimes we ask a question and try to belittle at the same time, there is a limit of open-mindedness here. I do not insult anyone, but sometimes you have to take a step back and see what really disturbs.

In addition, if I remember well, it is you who brought the question from safeforum, and I thank you for it, because it made me pleasure, but after you tell me, if you do not do that, you are not capable, at the end it disturbed me because I had thought that at the beginning it was part of a good intention, but instead it was to try to put me in a bad position, and I did not appreciate it, I think its understandable.

There is no problem, and I wish you courage, and I hope that you will find a project that will suit you.

And I honestly tried as best as I could to get myself convinced that there was a solid foundation

Regarding the foundation, i don't think that Coinpayments and their CEO would risk their reputation in a baseless project if they didn't trusted it.

[kamar]

Please explain how it will be tracked who invested and to whom will be sent NVO tokens if all the money goes to one bitcoin address?
How you using for that the receiving bitcoin address which we are registered in NVO dashboard?

[SuperSayin]

Saw an ad for NVO on CoinGecko and I wanted to come learn about it, but I am seeing lots of bad talk here. Is this project doing good, is it a good idea to buy into the crowdsale? Are there issues going on?

[silvestar]

For the ones who are curious: I calculated the total sum of the digits shown on nvo.io without laziness. What is collected until now is  $3,938,865 (Aprox). This may exceed 5 million in recent days and hours. Probably, we will be the owner of several NVOT, ico unit price of which are 40c. When it is accepted to Bittrex or a similar exchange with 15M supply, price will reach to a digit between the range of $1 - 1,5 at least for one time, easily.

[xibeijan]

!!! WARNING: This user is a newbie. If you are expecting a message from a more veteran member, then this is an imposter !!!
Just an FYI, the NVO thread now has full-on censorship.
My response to nemgun's uninvited insults got deleted.
Which only proves that something is really-really fishy about NVO.

A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted.

I feel that you are really limited, you try to make the clever for nothing by giving definitions that everyone knows. I'm going to explain what a blockchain is, it is like a database, and I'll save hash in that database.
So when the smart contract will be hashed in sha256, it will serve as an id.
Now A wants to make a trade, it leaves coins for sale and goes offline, how the database will call its smart contract? She will call it using using the hash.
I will help you learn a few things, when you read definitions ask yourself what are they for, you will be able to understand them better, so after the definitions, it is the functions.

I've tried my best to stay objective and unbiased, as all I ever wanted was to get clarity on the claimed security of the validator's private key signing the smart contract, and I very well appreciate the language barrier (btw, English isn't my first language either).
Why was I trying to get that clarity? - Because I wanted to be sure that I'd be making a sound investment.
But throughout these almost two weeks, I kept seeing a lot of smoke and mirrors. You know, it's totally understood when a given mechanism is just a trade secret and the author doesn't want to disclose that information so early.
But then it would make perfect sense to just state it as-is, instead of going in circles but never actually delivering a consistent and clear picture of the intended implementation.
The direct undeserved personal attacks and baseless name-calling is very inappropriate, especially when the respondent themselves is well aware of the problems with the language barrier and Google Translate.
I don't feel like I need to embark on a defense line here, because what I've been told speaks more about the person saying that than it does about me.
But anyone interested in verifying my professional experience which is only 25 years too late to be "limited" is more than welcome to PM me and obtain a link to my LinkedIn profile.
So, I pass on this one.
Good day all! And good luck!

[Lauda]

Just an FYI, the NVO thread now has full-on censorship.
My response to nemgun's uninvited insults got deleted.
Which only proves that something is really-really fishy about NVO.

Do not spread bullshit. Neither Nemgun, nor anyone from the NVO team can delete any posts in here. Stop breaking the forum rules and your posts won't be removed.

[LitcoinCollector]

If the (lead) dev mix up hashing with encrypting that doesn't look good at all.
The condescending answer to a very legit question was uncalled for, since we are all potential customers.

Pure bullshit. Nemgun is not the "(lead) dev" and it's very normal to mix up terms under these stressful conditions. Stop trying to spread unnecessary fear.

Lauda, no need to use such word, let's stay cicilized. Again we are all potential costomers.
So Nemgun is not the (lead) dev, who is then?
Normal mix up yeah right. That's one opinion...  
You are only escrow. It looks like you have a big interest in this project for some reason.

[Lauda]

Lauda, no need to use such word, let's stay cicilized. Normal mix up yeah right.

Bullshit is pretty civilized considering the intentional trolling and spreading of fear in this thread.

You are only escrow. It looks like you have a big interest in this project for some reason.

I somewhat know nemgun, thus try to help out as much as I can even though much of the people don't deserve it anyways. I won't stand by while randoms try to unjustifiably attack the project.
Must be the competitors panicking.

[LitcoinCollector]

Lauda, no need to use such word, let's stay cicilized. Normal mix up yeah right.

Bullshit is pretty civilized considering the intentional trolling and spreading of fear in this thread.

You are only escrow. It looks like you have a big interest in this project for some reason.

I somewhat know nemgun, thus try to help out as much as I can even though much of the people don't deserve it anyways. I won't stand by while randoms try to unjustifiably attack the project.
Must be the competitors panicking.

Not an attact, if some basic questions can't be answered, I expess my concern, that's all.
So Nemgun is not the (lead) dev, who is then?
Competitors...  

[Lauda]

Not an attact, if some basic questions can't be answered, I expess my concern, that's all.

Every single question, of which many are absurdly basic, has been answered.

So Nemgun is not the (lead) dev, who is then?

Yanni Bragui.

Competitors...  

Correct. That is one of the valid ways of explaining this.

[LitcoinCollector]

Ok man, whatever floats your boat.
I'm off, good luck with the project.

[Lorilikes]

Hey, I somehow missed this project in the announcements, but I think it looks promising.
Just wanted to bring the focus back to the actual topic, and say good work guys, it seems clever enough to
Achieve great success.  Cheers! i hope your investments grow and your team gets the reward they deserve.

[migello]

From the V-logs i think TenX is A LOT interested in the exchange world,

IMHO i suggest to contact them to form a collaboration, it could be a mutual HUGE boost to the projects.

[slaman29]

Saw an ad for NVO on CoinGecko and I wanted to come learn about it, but I am seeing lots of bad talk here. Is this project doing good, is it a good idea to buy into the crowdsale? Are there issues going on?

There's a lot of bad talk on any thread. That is the result (or purpose?) of decentralised democracy haha. But yes, project is doing good of course with all the issues that is normal for any new project. See for yourself, the crowdsale is almost $4 million total now (from combined crypto value).

[mattermaster]

Hello,  Is it feasible  to see NVOT in the address we receive the NVO tokens?
Also, can a user get the private keys of NVO wallet after the crowdsale or you are not intended to provide these facilities in future?

[SEnergy]

also I've never used counterwallet before - how do I use it with an address generated using vanitygen or electrum (so I can work with NVOTs), for example?

You just need to control the private key to the address(es) you've used to invest with. All you have to do is import the private key(s) into counterwallet. Pretty simple. This guide covers investing with counterwallet, albeit it does not mention importing private keys: https://medium.com/nvo-exchange/how-to-contribute-to-the-nvo-crowdsale-d3e4453e3d7d

yes, I saw this article, however looking at the counterwallet you can import only the 12 words you get to re-generate the wallet, the only thing I found for importing the address using privkey to counterparty/counterwallet was a sweep option

https://counterpartytalk.org/t/how-to-use-private-key-to-import-btc-funds-from-external-address-to-counterwallet-address/1225

can't find a thing about using a btc address generated with vanitygen (for example) using counterwallet

The sweep process is due to the fact that you send your private key over internet, so it is wiser to sweep rather then import.

the sweep process will take everything I own on that BTC address and send it to the counterwallet, rendering my original BTC address I generated for the purpose of this crowdfund useless AF, as I'd have to use this newly generated counterwallet

meaning it's completely useless and a waste of time to use ANY wallet other than counterwallet for this crowdfund, it is completely useless to attach my BTC address at the NVO site, as at the end I will still have to fuckin create a new wallet using counterwallet and sweep all the shit in there

this is YOUR fault as you clearly state that we can use ANY address of which we've got the privkey, nowhere it says that it HAS to be counterwallet

ALSO: if I generated the new address, attached it to my NVO profile, send you the funds - now I'm supposed to receive the NVOT to THAT address - how in the hell is counterwallet gonna "sweep" the NVOT, when it doesn't fuckin exist at all?!

[Allo]

Lauda, no need to use such word, let's stay cicilized. Normal mix up yeah right.

Bullshit is pretty civilized considering the intentional trolling and spreading of fear in this thread.

You are only escrow. It looks like you have a big interest in this project for some reason.

I somewhat know nemgun, thus try to help out as much as I can even though much of the people don't deserve it anyways. I won't stand by while randoms try to unjustifiably attack the project.
Must be the competitors panicking.

hahaha... yeah, I wish I could be a competitor. Seriously! - I have my own projects to run, which have nothing whatsoever to do with cryptocurrency.
As for the bullshit thing, I'd really love to know - what exact rule was violated by my response to nemgun.

[Allo]

Lauda, no need to use such word, let's stay cicilized. Normal mix up yeah right.

Bullshit is pretty civilized considering the intentional trolling and spreading of fear in this thread.

You are only escrow. It looks like you have a big interest in this project for some reason.

I somewhat know nemgun, thus try to help out as much as I can even though much of the people don't deserve it anyways. I won't stand by while randoms try to unjustifiably attack the project.
Must be the competitors panicking.

Lauda, if you believe that my comments on the differences between encryption and sha256 could be considered an attack of any sort that you were trying to fence off, then I wonder why you weren't the first one to jump in and correct nemgun's reference to sha256 as being an encryption algorithm.
Due diligence is not an attack, and if it's immediately labelled as one then the very spirit of protecting the proverbial "sacred cow" causes more concerns than the technical inaccuracies themselves.