Liquid Synergy Designs Inc. -ASIC mining hardware

[rammy2k2]

i bet that now, he will post another update with some "soon" stuff

[cardcomm]

This photo corresponds to a Linkedin profile pic for Steven P Manos.


Liquid Synergy Designs Inc. appears to be registered to a Steve N Manos. However, it seems that Steven P Manos spm  spm@tsqm.us is responsible for shipping:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=192916.msg3907759#msg3907759

Are there two Steven Manoses associated with the same business address? Steven P Manos's business address matches that of Liquid Synergy Designs Inc.

Could it be that Steve N. Manos is in his thirties and is using his father's business address? Unacceptable, can you confirm if the Steve that you worked with is in his thirties?

The LinkedIn profile above (http://www.linkedin.com/in/spmanos) shows http://liquidsyndesigns.com/shop/ as his site.  Look under Websites>Current.

Does someone have an alternate way to contact John K, such as an email? (Maybe we can leave him a message on his BTC address. It received funds on Jan 1, 2014.)

Also, the Google Plus profile for "Sp Manos" shows a different photo of that same person. That person has also links to at least one thread on https://bitcointalk.org

There may be a father and son, but my bet is that they are in this together. I'm sure the FTC will figure that out in the course of their investigation...

BTW, has anyone PM'ed any of the admin staff here to see if the know what happened to John K? It seems strange he left so suddenly - perhaps something has happened to him :/

[logicbomb666]

How has nobody left bad feedback on his trust rating here yet?  Every single person that feels cheated needs to add negative feedback with notes stating they will remove it once everything has been handled accordingly.  This is literally the only real option any of you have right now to penalize steamboat for not processing refunds and/or hosted miner payouts.

[rammy2k2]

How has nobody left bad feedback on his trust rating here yet?  Every single person that feels cheated needs to add negative feedback with notes stating they will remove it once everything has been handled accordingly.  This is literally the only real option any of you have right now to penalize steamboat for not processing refunds and/or hosted miner payouts.

same as Josh from BFL has +1 Trust ... and im not kidding

[cardcomm]

How has nobody left bad feedback on his trust rating here yet?  Every single person that feels cheated needs to add negative feedback with notes stating they will remove it once everything has been handled accordingly.  This is literally the only real option any of you have right now to penalize steamboat for not processing refunds and/or hosted miner payouts.

He does have SOME negative trust, but not as much as I'd expect:
Trust:   -1: -1 / +1(1)
Warning: Trade with extreme caution!

Here's a comical bit from his profile:
Signature:
ASIC miners available for purchase

Those who serve best, profit most.
BTW, Steamboat's last appearance on this board was: December 20, 2013, 05:46:22 AM

Also of interest in his trust rating - Steamboat left negative feedback on someone who he claims stole 1.5 BTC from him. In that thread, Steamboat posted the guy's photo ID and a snapshot of himself the guy obviously sent him. For some reason that really pisses me off! Steamboat posted this guys photo ID on the internet for stealing what was then less than $60.00 U.S. Then he turns around and pulls this shit on us?!

I realize now EVERY single one of us should have insisted on getting a copy of Steamboat's photo ID before giving him one satoshi!!! I'm so pissed right now after seeing that thread! What a jerk! I don't even care about the money anymore. I'm just ready to make life difficult for this scammer. What a prick!

[nightengale]

Can we petition a moderator to assign him a scammer tag? This is really beyond the pale what is going on. Updates several times a week when he's taking your money, and now that he's still promising refunds, he hasn't been on the forum for weeks.

[ibuyltc]

Also of interest in his trust rating - Steamboat left negative feedback on someone who he claims stole 1.5 BTC from him. In that thread, Steamboat posted the guy's photo ID and a snapshot of himself the guy obviously sent him. For some reason that really pisses me off! Steamboat posted this guys photo ID on the internet for stealing what was then less than $60.00 U.S. Then he turns around and pulls this shit on us?!

The event and timeline Cardcomm references really interested me, so here is a quick overview:

March 12th, 2013 loan sent from Steamboat to guy in the amount of BTC1.5.  Repayment amount BTC2.
Loan Due March 19th in full.
March 19th, loan not repaid.
March 21st, guy asks for extension.  Steamboat Agrees.
Loan still BTC1.5, but repayment is now BTC3.28.
Back and forth for several weeks.
April 8th, 2013 Steamboat advises loan in 'default'
April 15th, 2013, Steamboat threatens to release info onto internet in two days if not repaid.
April 19th, 2013, info released.  (Drivers license and Self-Photo to prove hes real to Steamboat)
April 22nd, 2013, Steamboat publicly decides its not worth harassing his friends and family over the lost BTC


May 1st, 2013, This thread and Liquid Synergy Designs are born.  Maybe he has a nice mansion in a USA-extradition exempt country.  I'd love to see pictures of it.

[alfabitcoin]

I wonder where is member unaceptable? He know sb in person and defened him many times. He was very active in forum.
Steve is a scammer in my book and now he has not even one excuse like before with yifu screw up.

Steve return our money !!!!!! You are dishnest liar!

[dmcdad]

I called SB this morning and left a message. He called back within an hour and we had a nice long talk.

I know to say patience is wearing thin here is a gross understatement, but my impression after talking to him: 1) first and foremost, he is still around and hasn't run off somewhere, 2) he is working on getting the refund process setup so he can perform the assembly/hosting/shipping refunds outlined in his last email, 3) doing step #2 is more complicated than what you might assume (as a small business owner, I can sympathize greatly with this point), 4) he really wants to get the refunds behind him so he can move on, 5) he isn't active on the forum because he knows it is a shitstorm here and it will just slow him down (and frankly be depressing) from getting the only thing done that will truly appease everyone: getting the refunds processed.

My advice: put the pitchforks down for another couple of weeks and let's see how this plays out. Everyone's patience is thin (mine included), but I still do have some optimism this one is going to work itself out in the end.

-dmc

[cp1]

Thanks for the update and level headedness.

[professorY]

Thanks for the update and level headedness.

Yes, thank you. I'm still holding out hope as well as SB came through for us in the past.

[alfabitcoin]

I called SB this morning and left a message. He called back within an hour and we had a nice long talk.

I know to say patience is wearing thin here is a gross understatement, but my impression after talking to him: 1) first and foremost, he is still around and hasn't run off somewhere, 2) he is working on getting the refund process setup so he can perform the assembly/hosting/shipping refunds outlined in his last email, 3) doing step #2 is more complicated than what you might assume (as a small business owner, I can sympathize greatly with this point), 4) he really wants to get the refunds behind him so he can move on, 5) he isn't active on the forum because he knows it is a shitstorm here and it will just slow him down (and frankly be depressing) from getting the only thing done that will truly appease everyone: getting the refunds processed.

My advice: put the pitchforks down for another couple of weeks and let's see how this plays out. Everyone's patience is thin (mine included), but I still do have some optimism this one is going to work itself out in the end.

-dmc

Thanks dmc.
However steamboat to have the time chating with individual members but can not log here is just wrong! He has no excuse.
He dare to prolong refunds to be silent, to lie in rare updates but he is afraid even to login and say something himself??
Iam not naive and he is a scammer, its that simple!
Its abou honesty and face. Come hereand face your problems and issues. That is how honest guy should behave.
His behavior only show that hes hiding and does not care! Meanwhile time is going by....
This is worst what he can do, that is a prove enough of his intregrity.

I invite you all to publish about this anywhere you can. We let him go before, but what is enough is enough!!
I say this open, my friends will visit him and collect what he owe me.

[nightengale]

I called SB this morning and left a message. He called back within an hour and we had a nice long talk.

I know to say patience is wearing thin here is a gross understatement, but my impression after talking to him: 1) first and foremost, he is still around and hasn't run off somewhere, 2) he is working on getting the refund process setup so he can perform the assembly/hosting/shipping refunds outlined in his last email, 3) doing step #2 is more complicated than what you might assume (as a small business owner, I can sympathize greatly with this point), 4) he really wants to get the refunds behind him so he can move on, 5) he isn't active on the forum because he knows it is a shitstorm here and it will just slow him down (and frankly be depressing) from getting the only thing done that will truly appease everyone: getting the refunds processed.

My advice: put the pitchforks down for another couple of weeks and let's see how this plays out. Everyone's patience is thin (mine included), but I still do have some optimism this one is going to work itself out in the end.

-dmc

So... SB BS'd you over the phone for about an hour and now you're telling us about it.

Huh. Not seeing how this is helpful.

[msm595]

I called SB this morning and left a message. He called back within an hour and we had a nice long talk.

I know to say patience is wearing thin here is a gross understatement, but my impression after talking to him: 1) first and foremost, he is still around and hasn't run off somewhere, 2) he is working on getting the refund process setup so he can perform the assembly/hosting/shipping refunds outlined in his last email, 3) doing step #2 is more complicated than what you might assume (as a small business owner, I can sympathize greatly with this point), 4) he really wants to get the refunds behind him so he can move on, 5) he isn't active on the forum because he knows it is a shitstorm here and it will just slow him down (and frankly be depressing) from getting the only thing done that will truly appease everyone: getting the refunds processed.

My advice: put the pitchforks down for another couple of weeks and let's see how this plays out. Everyone's patience is thin (mine included), but I still do have some optimism this one is going to work itself out in the end.

-dmc

Any info on hosted miners?

[dmcdad]

alfabitcoin & nightengale:

I'm just telling it to you the way I see it. Am I 100% confident SB is going to come through with the assembly/hosting/shipping refunds? No. Do I think SB's lack of updates on the forum is a mistake? Yes. But I also understand why he chooses not to enter the shitstorm. After all, if he really does come through with the refunds he outlined then I think 99% of us will be happy and all the problems go away. So he has 2 choices: enter the shitstorm, be dragged down into it, or just work on the refunds knowing that if he makes it right in the end then almost all will be forgiven.

As to if he is a scammer or not, I think it is pretty clear his original intentions were good and he has had his startup cluster bombed by Yifu's thievery. If you look at the history of what has transpired you'll see that so far he has made good on his promises *with* the exception of being slow and not giving frequent enough updates. If he was purely a scammer we obviously wouldn't have seen the chip refunds and he wouldn't have shipped the miners that have shipped.

So now the question is: will he really provide the refunds he outlined in his December post? Based on my phone conversation with him, I think the answer is he is working on it. If he had already decided to walk away from everything he wouldn't have called me. We all know this isn't going to be swept under the rug by time if he doesn't fulfill the refunds.

I'm willing to be patient though and see what happens over the next few weeks. If you want to start the lawsuits, label him a scammer, etc., then go for it. I think it might end up being wasted energy (and $$) but that is my judgement of the situation only. I remember a lot of the exact same people were convinced he was not going to give us are chip refunds (because it took a long time), but in the end those did come through...

-dmc

[dmcdad]

I called SB this morning and left a message. He called back within an hour and we had a nice long talk.

I know to say patience is wearing thin here is a gross understatement, but my impression after talking to him: 1) first and foremost, he is still around and hasn't run off somewhere, 2) he is working on getting the refund process setup so he can perform the assembly/hosting/shipping refunds outlined in his last email, 3) doing step #2 is more complicated than what you might assume (as a small business owner, I can sympathize greatly with this point), 4) he really wants to get the refunds behind him so he can move on, 5) he isn't active on the forum because he knows it is a shitstorm here and it will just slow him down (and frankly be depressing) from getting the only thing done that will truly appease everyone: getting the refunds processed.

My advice: put the pitchforks down for another couple of weeks and let's see how this plays out. Everyone's patience is thin (mine included), but I still do have some optimism this one is going to work itself out in the end.

-dmc

Any info on hosted miners?

Sorry, didn't ask about that. I presume that is all part of what he is working on, but I didn't ask since I don't have any hosted with him.

[Stringchains]

Actually, this seems very helpful to me. To know that he is working on refunds that take quite a long time to handle due to the complexity really helps ease my mind to know that he is still there... and fish! I've been waiting for a cash withdrawal from MtGox for about 3 months now because they have to manually process everyone's withdrawals due to a bank back log. And i'm still waiting for that. So, things aren't as easy as they may seem. There are a number of things that must be done for refunds such as calculating how much to refund (based on the ~$120 per BTC conversion), and what exactly was sent to him from each and every person and for what did they purchase exactly that is or is not to be refunded; and he has to do this thru looking up transaction id's in the liquidsynergydesigns website, and there are likely many other things that I can't even think of that could be involved with further complicating the refund process.

...In other words, try running your own business, you may be saying "Hey, I'm gonna do this and that and this and that, because I know what is the right thing to do cause I've seen what wrong people like Steamboat have done, and that ridiculous store down the street doesn't know how to run their franchise either!! MEAHH!!" and then once you're placed in that position, you realize you can't really do what you thought because things that you couldn't even imagine beforehand arise--i.e. this is also why most people don't have the balls to open up their own businesses because they feel they must know exactly how everything must work out completely for the business to work. But, you can't predict or know everything that may happen. You just have to go with what you can do with what you got, and tackle situations as they come.

[rammy2k2]

I called SB this morning and left a message. He called back within an hour and we had a nice long talk.

I know to say patience is wearing thin here is a gross understatement, but my impression after talking to him: 1) first and foremost, he is still around and hasn't run off somewhere, 2) he is working on getting the refund process setup so he can perform the assembly/hosting/shipping refunds outlined in his last email, 3) doing step #2 is more complicated than what you might assume (as a small business owner, I can sympathize greatly with this point), 4) he really wants to get the refunds behind him so he can move on, 5) he isn't active on the forum because he knows it is a shitstorm here and it will just slow him down (and frankly be depressing) from getting the only thing done that will truly appease everyone: getting the refunds processed.

My advice: put the pitchforks down for another couple of weeks and let's see how this plays out. Everyone's patience is thin (mine included), but I still do have some optimism this one is going to work itself out in the end.

-dmc

how the F can u say u had a nice long talk ? that means u just fall in his trap ... he didnt delivered, he didnt refunded .. he ignored members, he's just fooling 1-2 guys like u with a sneaky phone call .. and u are all like "oh, i had a long chat with him, i dont care about my money" ...

[dmcdad]

<sigh> Okay. Whatever. I guess he should just click his red shoe heels together 3 times and make everything happen.

[cp1]

Why even reply to that guy?  At least don't quote him so I don't have to read it.  It should auto-hide quotes from people you have ignored.