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January 19, 2018, 07:00:40 AM
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Though I am a newbie, but after reading many pages on this forum i kind of got a feeling that entire BCH community is trying to compete with Bitcoin comparing both on many aspects.
But is it necessary to compare always? There are so many alt coins are growing rapidly. What I understood the difference between Bitcoin and Altcoins is for name sake only.  Can't we grow while bitcoin is growing? Let decide our own fate and keeping BTC aside. Lets keep our hands strong and let BCH grow instead of having debate with BTC holders.

I do hold little amount of BCH and understand its superiority over bitcoin but lets not be stick to the comparison and have something new to attract new buyers.

For example keep posting news about new conglomerate with BCH. BCH will shine soon. All the best
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January 19, 2018, 07:26:27 AM
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Hi newbie, your views are welcome, but you do have alot to learn my friend.

I highly suggest you start reading about crypto forks & sporks...the differences...
why forks are needed and how they are important for coins to be upgraded/updated.

Happy learning...knowledge is power  Smiley

I got red trust because i speak the truth....This thread shows why many long term users are being tagged red, ...https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2399315.msg24593043#msg24593043 , chk theymos comment.
Bitcoin cash is the real upgrade bitcoin needed, not segwit.btc is no longer what people think it was...https://www.segwetters.org/
How The Banks Bought Bitcoin  The Lightning Network - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYHFrf5ci_g&feature=youtu.be&repost= Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf
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January 19, 2018, 07:53:02 AM
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I OWN NO BITCOINCASH OR BITCOIN> OWN ETHEREUM, ETH based coins AND LITECOIN!

BITCOIN CASH (NOT BCASH) and BITCOIN are actually the same things. However, I certainly believe that BITCOIN is taken over by Banks and the financial institutions and being manipulated. BITCOIN community is full of amazing yet naive people so they can't get the whole picture.

Their reaction to this Bitcoin Cash announcement thread is just the proof of their insecurity (they have a lot of doubts about today's Bitcoin situation too) Bitcoin can only be saved if it goes back to its root.

I see everywhere the sentence "Bitcoin cash is the real Bitcoin". I thought it is a kind of scam first but later on, I really discovered it is.

Because:

Bitcoin cash is just launching an organized marketing campaign around the world like they did when they started the project Bitcoin couple of years ago. I travel a lot.   2 years ago I saw a lot of BITCOIN meet-ups in Istanbul, Amsterdam, Newyork, LA, London.  All of these kinds of meetings are nowadays BITCOIN CASH meetings.

This is just one example. There are so many things similar to what Bitcoin did when they started that I'm sure the Bitcoin's valuable team is on Bitcoin Cash.

I think Bitcoin should go back to its root before the fork so that it can be successful again. If not, there will be other winners. History repeats itself.

Once we used Yahoo, Hotmail, MSN, Hyves, Myspace. All of them were successful. Now it is all changed as you see. Bitcoin is the image of Cryptocurrency world. And I hope this image can function properly again just like before the Fork.
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January 19, 2018, 07:58:04 AM
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^ The thing is, old btc cannot go back to its old roots before the fork...it now has segwit in it forever.

Bitcoin cash is the only real version of Bitcoin now.

oh btw, gd post, well observed.

I got red trust because i speak the truth....This thread shows why many long term users are being tagged red, ...https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2399315.msg24593043#msg24593043 , chk theymos comment.
Bitcoin cash is the real upgrade bitcoin needed, not segwit.btc is no longer what people think it was...https://www.segwetters.org/
How The Banks Bought Bitcoin  The Lightning Network - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYHFrf5ci_g&feature=youtu.be&repost= Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf
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January 19, 2018, 08:54:33 AM
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Most bullish news of the past 3 years - GREG MAXWELL QUIT!

https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/7rfog0/blockstream_is_falling_apart_greg_maxwell_resigns/


Ding dong, the witch is dead!
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Most bullish news of the past 3 years - GREG MAXWELL QUIT!

https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/7rfog0/blockstream_is_falling_apart_greg_maxwell_resigns/


Ding dong, the witch is dead!
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Lots of rumours as to when and why...

I have two reasons of my own on why he quit...
1- So he can spend more time as a troll here...fighting the cause for adams online troll team... Cheesy

2 -He wants to be in the next star wars movie  Cheesy

I got red trust because i speak the truth....This thread shows why many long term users are being tagged red, ...https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2399315.msg24593043#msg24593043 , chk theymos comment.
Bitcoin cash is the real upgrade bitcoin needed, not segwit.btc is no longer what people think it was...https://www.segwetters.org/
How The Banks Bought Bitcoin  The Lightning Network - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYHFrf5ci_g&feature=youtu.be&repost= Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf
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January 19, 2018, 09:04:18 AM
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I recommend shorting Bcash !

Of course you do. Current price on CoinMarketCap: $1811.16 in USD.

$1743 told ya short it  Wink

Nope - I see $1851.57.



After your trade fees in and out, loan fees so you can short, and the drop in price... seems you're well underwater.

So sorry for your loss.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MsvER1dpjM

Of course, we're only less than a day into your shorting. Shall you compound your losses? Shall we check back in a week, and see how your short is doing?

Anyone with a campaign ad in their signature -- for an organization with which they are not otherwise affiliated -- is automatically deducted credibility points.

I've been convicted of heresy. Convicted by a mere known extortionist. Read my Trust for details.
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January 19, 2018, 09:11:32 AM
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great comment m8....


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I agree with the facts of your video in that LN is going to be for the banks and a disaster for BTC. However it is not all just the block size that is what really happened even though it is what everyone has been in an uproar about but was merely the icing on the cake. The real subversion happened in March of 2015 wherein they added RBF or replace by fee which broke zero-conf and first seen. 

https://theflippening.github.io/open-letter-to-bitcoin-miners-from-another-miner/
"Due to the constant high fees and network congestion, they introduced an anti-feature called Replace By Fee (RBF) https://medium.com/@octskyward/replace-by-fee-43edd9a1dd6d (Mar 28, 2015). The aim of this was to allow users to pay a higher fee for transactions that were stuck and unconfirmed. This broke a critical feature called Zero-Conf which meant merchants could reliably accept a low value transaction with no confirmations as long as it was the first transaction seen on the network. Merchants could monitor key nodes around the network and reliably detect double spends with very good accuracy which allowed them to accept transactions with high confidence within 10 seconds and not have to wait minutes or hours for confirmations. Zero-Conf worked great for Brick and Mortar stores like buying your morning coffee. With the RBF feature, now users could pay for their goods, leave the store, then send the same transaction again but this time with a higher fee and send the amount back to their own wallet and rob the merchant in broad daylight. This feature robs Bitcoin of being a useful Point of Sale transaction mechanism."

So, to counter the double spend problem, which they created with their greed and desire for higher fees and corporate centralization, they added segwit which would later lead the way and allow the Lightning Network.

This entire uproar and fiasco with segwit vs segwit 2x forks etc was supposedly because of a slowing BTC and increasingly high fees and it was, however they created the problem to begin with in order to bring in their solution.

This is critically called the Hegelian Dialectic or Problem, Reaction, Solution. Create the problem (slow and high fees), get a reaction (please help us btc users) then offer up the solution, that being the one that they desired in the first place. Segwit vs 2x was merely a circus show to distract from what was being created in the first place. Blockstream and the other corp types like Mastercard and related Bilderburg connections are behind all of this since 2015 and were behind both Segwit and 2x.

They offered up both solutions to their problem and then let the people choose which cup of poison they wanted. It has all been a masterful deception wherein they will be the ultimate winners unless we the people see through this deception and choose wisely.

I got red trust because i speak the truth....This thread shows why many long term users are being tagged red, ...https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2399315.msg24593043#msg24593043 , chk theymos comment.
Bitcoin cash is the real upgrade bitcoin needed, not segwit.btc is no longer what people think it was...https://www.segwetters.org/
How The Banks Bought Bitcoin  The Lightning Network - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYHFrf5ci_g&feature=youtu.be&repost= Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf
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January 19, 2018, 09:35:21 AM
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~snip~


Who asked this detail from you it doesn't make any sense to share your knowledge like that. If you have believe than you have great chance to make huge profit once other people will agreed with your thought so you should convert all your assets into BCH.

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January 19, 2018, 09:37:25 AM
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why are you posting Blockstream/Lightning FUD in the Bcash (LOL) thread?  Bcash (LOL) doesn't even have Lightning because it still hasn't fixed transaction malleability.

Is your motivation just sour grapes?

Prob because for weeks i have been asking segwetters about a thread dedicated to segwit/lightning on bitcointalk.
I cant find any big active thread , with a regular large community or core devs teaching anyone here,
The segwetters should be trying to help people adopt this wonderful stuff they claim will work and people will use.
The way segwetters speak , you would expect a thriving community, lots of users,lots of views and replies... where is it m8?

Instead segwetters just spend their time coming here,talk trash and try and tell bitcoin cashers about segwet and lightning developments.   Angry  Angry
(kinda like what you just did)  Cry  Cry

Your baffling inability to use the forum's Search function isn't relevant to Bcash (LOL), except for the part I pointed out regarding Bcash (LOL)'s embarrassingly persistent lack of support for segwit and Lightning.

There are tons of segwit and Lightning threads on Reddit, EG https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/7rceo8/one_lightning_network_tx_is_18000_times_cheaper/.

Segwit is a fairly abstruse low-level feature; ideally it should be transparent to blissfully ignorant end-users.  Segwit is only high-profile because bad actors like Coinbase and Gemini are dragging their feet and making themselves appear incompetent by procrastinating instead of adopting the beneficial new tech in a timely manner, to the detriment of their paying customers and the network as a whole.

For over a year, Bitcoin Core has been very actively trying to help people adopt the wonderful segwit and Lightning technology which vastly lowers fees and dramatically speeds up transactions.

Where have you been?  How could you have possibly missed it?  I can only presume the source of your sour grapes grumbling is displaced anger at yourself for missing the boat on those obvious, well-publicized, high-profile efforts.

The segwitter community you seek is called "Bitcoin Core."  You have found it already.  You're already here, soaking in it and yet complaining all the while. Cheesy

It's very odd you choose to pipe up about segwit and Ligntning in the one place we reserve (like a short bus) for our 'special' Bcash (LOL) retrogrades. Wink


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January 19, 2018, 09:49:25 AM
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why are you posting Blockstream/Lightning FUD in the Bcash (LOL) thread?  Bcash (LOL) doesn't even have Lightning because it still hasn't fixed transaction malleability.

Is your motivation just sour grapes?

Prob because for weeks i have been asking segwetters about a thread dedicated to segwit/lightning on bitcointalk.
I cant find any big active thread , with a regular large community or core devs teaching anyone here,
The segwetters should be trying to help people adopt this wonderful stuff they claim will work and people will use.
The way segwetters speak , you would expect a thriving community, lots of users,lots of views and replies... where is it m8?

Instead segwetters just spend their time coming here,talk trash and try and tell bitcoin cashers about segwet and lightning developments.   Angry  Angry
(kinda like what you just did)  Cry  Cry

Your baffling inability to use the forum's Search function isn't relevant to Bcash (LOL), except for the part I pointed out regarding Bcash (LOL)'s embarrassingly persistent lack of support for segwit and Lightning.

There are tons of segwit and Lightning threads on Reddit, EG https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/7rceo8/one_lightning_network_tx_is_18000_times_cheaper/.

Segwit is a fairly abstruse low-level feature; ideally it should be transparent to blissfully ignorant end-users. what end users? how do they find out how to use segshit?
 Segwit is only high-profile because bad actors like Coinbase and Gemini are dragging their feet and making themselves appear incompetent by procrastinating instead of adopting the beneficial new tech in a timely manner, to the detriment of their paying customers and the network as a whole.

For over a year, Bitcoin Core has been very actively trying to help people adopt the wonderful segwit and Lightning technology which vastly lowers fees and dramatically speeds up transactions.

Where have you been?  How could you have possibly missed it?  I can only presume the source of your sour grapes grumbling is displaced anger at yourself for missing the boat on those obvious, well-publicized, high-profile efforts.

The segwitter community you seek is called "Bitcoin Core."  You have found it already.  You're already here, soaking in it and yet complaining all the while. Cheesy

It's very odd you choose to pipe up about segwit and Ligntning in the one place we reserve (like a short bus) for our 'special' Bcash (LOL) retrogrades. Wink

I said Bitcointalk thread...there is nothing in the search box here for segwit...
I did not ask for reddit threads.
So you say for over a year core has been trying to help ....again where is it on bitcointalk?  links please.
and who is this "we" you refer too? where are these "we", so i can have a lil chat with them in an unmoderated thread on bitcointalk.

Also big thing for me....Bitcoin is NOT bitcoin core!, the segwet community is bitcoin core and the segwit community doesnt exist.


I got red trust because i speak the truth....This thread shows why many long term users are being tagged red, ...https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2399315.msg24593043#msg24593043 , chk theymos comment.
Bitcoin cash is the real upgrade bitcoin needed, not segwit.btc is no longer what people think it was...https://www.segwetters.org/
How The Banks Bought Bitcoin  The Lightning Network - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYHFrf5ci_g&feature=youtu.be&repost= Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf
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Bitcoin is NOT bitcoin core!, the segwet community is bitcoin core and the segwit community doesnt exist.





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January 19, 2018, 10:15:49 AM
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I got red trust because i speak the truth....This thread shows why many long term users are being tagged red, ...https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2399315.msg24593043#msg24593043 , chk theymos comment.
Bitcoin cash is the real upgrade bitcoin needed, not segwit.btc is no longer what people think it was...https://www.segwetters.org/
How The Banks Bought Bitcoin  The Lightning Network - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYHFrf5ci_g&feature=youtu.be&repost= Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf
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January 19, 2018, 10:32:06 AM
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Most bullish news of the past 3 years - GREG MAXWELL QUIT!

https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/7rfog0/blockstream_is_falling_apart_greg_maxwell_resigns/


Ding dong, the witch is dead!

He left his position as CTO to work on Bitcoin full time

Being the CTO takes up a lot of time valuable time that can now be spent on the Bitcoin protocol

So yes this is great news
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January 19, 2018, 12:56:53 PM
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Most bullish news of the past 3 years - GREG MAXWELL QUIT!

https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/7rfog0/blockstream_is_falling_apart_greg_maxwell_resigns/


Ding dong, the witch is dead!

He left his position as CTO to work on Bitcoin full time

Being the CTO takes up a lot of time valuable time that can now be spent on the Bitcoin protocol

So yes this is great news

Hahaha, it will never stop surprising me how obtuse stupidity is.

I guess when Lee left the ship and sold all his LTCs it was also great news, because he did it for the good of the community ...

haha

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January 19, 2018, 12:59:59 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/7rfog0/blockstream_is_falling_apart_greg_maxwell_resigns/

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January 19, 2018, 01:02:18 PM
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and more of bcore

https://twitter.com/BitcoinEnquirer/status/954329303856054272

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January 19, 2018, 01:05:29 PM
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and while tanod in bitcoin cash

and while tanod in bitcoin cash

https://twitter.com/BTCNewsUpdates/status/954313118729015296

bch works great today and look for solutions to future problems

btc works poorly today and will implement solutions in 18 months forever haha

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January 19, 2018, 01:12:35 PM
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Most bullish news of the past 3 years - GREG MAXWELL QUIT!

https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/7rfog0/blockstream_is_falling_apart_greg_maxwell_resigns/


Ding dong, the witch is dead!

He left his position as CTO to work on Bitcoin full time

Being the CTO takes up a lot of time valuable time that can now be spent on the Bitcoin protocol

So yes this is great news

tekmotroll be careful with your comments, especially if they are lies

blame your comments people may be leaving to earn money with bch or even lose with btc.

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January 19, 2018, 03:18:31 PM
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Since icebreaker did not/cannot answer this...i will put this forward again(and again) to all the old btc segwetters...

For weeks i have been asking segwetters about a thread dedicated to segwit/lightning on bitcointalk.
I cant find any big active segwit thread , with a regular large community or core devs teaching anyone here,
The segwetters should be trying to help people adopt this wonderful stuff they claim will work and people will use.
The way segwetters speak , you would expect a thriving community, lots of users,lots of views and replies... where is it?


You cant find one because...NOBODY GIVES A SHIT ABOUT THE BLOCK/CORE SCAM!
old btc is an old fork ,infected with segwit, it should not be called btc or bitcoin.


BUY BCH it is the only version of Bitcoin that is segwit free....

BCH IS BITCOIN...the only BITCOIN.

BCASH IS NOTHING MORE THEN AN ALTCOIN.

Don't listen to red tagged users be warned !

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