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January 07, 2018, 09:49:02 PM
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BCH still has only a fraction of the transaction volume of Bitcoin.





It will take time just like anything else that is new. I can vouch for myself that if I need to send in extra funds to shore up a margin position I have sent Bitcoin Cash instead of the $20 transfer fee for Bitcoin.

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January 07, 2018, 10:51:05 PM
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https://coingeek.com/lightning-network-cant-scale-needs-another-layer/  Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked
Still no block size increase, but an entire additional layer—and the same high fees (possibly more) WTF Grin

Also...Coinex and other BCH exchanges..please add BCH-XRP, BCH-STR pairs...
both xrp and str got huge pumps, when people want to sell they are forced into usd/usdt/btc ...none of these choices are suitable for BCH "real bitcoin " supporters..
we dont want our coins going through old btc(causing a big spike in the charts) to change to the real Bitcoin(BCH)
Thanks guys  Kiss

When a publication is owned by Calvin Ayre or Roger Ver then it's automatically void.

It's like apple telling everybody why the iOS is superior to Android


Sounds like black and white thinking...

..aaand that's a poor analogy - which mobile OS is superior is mostly an opinion.

Unless of course you care to tally up the tech specs of each and try to make an objective decision. First you need to be clear about your priorities however (is cost more important than usability etc).

OK, Let's try it with cryptos, I will go first:

MY top Priorities (your can be different, but be honest please):
1. I can use it, merchants accept it and I can trade it on exchanges or with private parties
2. It's secure
3. It's safe from theft and govt meddling/inflation
4. Low fees

So far, BTC only fits 2 and 3 - 1 and 4 are gone due to Kore's retardedness/compromise

BCH fits all 4. Your turn.

That has nothing to do with the quote

You quote a post of me saying a BCH supporters publication is biased to the one side the same as if you asked apple which os is the best iOS or android no matter what the technicalities are apple will always say apple is better.

As for the what you try to derail the content with then BTC fills 1, 2, & 3 you like to post your acceptbitcoin.cash site and if you look over it then you would see BTC is accepted at way more places than BCH yes the fees are higher big deal once the rest of the scaling solutions have rolled out then that will ease the mempool and blockstream are not against a block increase its just not needed yet once schnorr signatures etc are implemented BTC will be able to store more transactions in the current block as BCH can in a 8MB block and if a increase is needed after all this it will be rolled out in a future release

Other busy coins are getting higher fees now too ETH is around $2.50 now and but its got issues but its not block space issue the network infrastructure cannot process the transactions fast enough also with the rise of ripple recently the transaction fee has gone up 3000% even BCH now has a average tx fee of about $0.40 yea its not much but a far cry from under $0.01 that it was a couple of month ago
 

No no no teck, I bolded the relevant text. You replied to a comment about no blocksize increase saying it's invalid "becuz Calvin Ayre and Roger Ver sez".

Now it's your turn. What are your priorities and how does BTC fulfill them better than BCH? Should be easy for you, considering how vehement you are in your convictions? So if store of value is first priority for you, that's fine... but let's at least get you on the record with facts rather than name-calling and blustering...
probably the last you'll heard from him ^^

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January 07, 2018, 11:47:37 PM
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https://coingeek.com/lightning-network-cant-scale-needs-another-layer/  Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked
Still no block size increase, but an entire additional layer—and the same high fees (possibly more) WTF Grin

Also...Coinex and other BCH exchanges..please add BCH-XRP, BCH-STR pairs...
both xrp and str got huge pumps, when people want to sell they are forced into usd/usdt/btc ...none of these choices are suitable for BCH "real bitcoin " supporters..
we dont want our coins going through old btc(causing a big spike in the charts) to change to the real Bitcoin(BCH)
Thanks guys  Kiss

When a publication is owned by Calvin Ayre or Roger Ver then it's automatically void.

It's like apple telling everybody why the iOS is superior to Android


Sounds like black and white thinking...

..aaand that's a poor analogy - which mobile OS is superior is mostly an opinion.

Unless of course you care to tally up the tech specs of each and try to make an objective decision. First you need to be clear about your priorities however (is cost more important than usability etc).

OK, Let's try it with cryptos, I will go first:

MY top Priorities (your can be different, but be honest please):
1. I can use it, merchants accept it and I can trade it on exchanges or with private parties
2. It's secure
3. It's safe from theft and govt meddling/inflation
4. Low fees

So far, BTC only fits 2 and 3 - 1 and 4 are gone due to Kore's retardedness/compromise

BCH fits all 4. Your turn.

That has nothing to do with the quote

You quote a post of me saying a BCH supporters publication is biased to the one side the same as if you asked apple which os is the best iOS or android no matter what the technicalities are apple will always say apple is better.

As for the what you try to derail the content with then BTC fills 1, 2, & 3 you like to post your acceptbitcoin.cash site and if you look over it then you would see BTC is accepted at way more places than BCH yes the fees are higher big deal once the rest of the scaling solutions have rolled out then that will ease the mempool and blockstream are not against a block increase its just not needed yet once schnorr signatures etc are implemented BTC will be able to store more transactions in the current block as BCH can in a 8MB block and if a increase is needed after all this it will be rolled out in a future release

Other busy coins are getting higher fees now too ETH is around $2.50 now and but its got issues but its not block space issue the network infrastructure cannot process the transactions fast enough also with the rise of ripple recently the transaction fee has gone up 3000% even BCH now has a average tx fee of about $0.40 yea its not much but a far cry from under $0.01 that it was a couple of month ago
 

No no no teck, I bolded the relevant text. You replied to a comment about no blocksize increase saying it's invalid "becuz Calvin Ayre and Roger Ver sez".

Now it's your turn. What are your priorities and how does BTC fulfill them better than BCH? Should be easy for you, considering how vehement you are in your convictions? So if store of value is first priority for you, that's fine... but let's at least get you on the record with facts rather than name-calling and blustering...

No it was about the article that what you highlighted is bold was just a quote from it which is going to be biased due to the publication owner

Like ive said many many times BTC is prioritising chain optimisation this will allow roughly the same amount of transactions to fit in the current block space that BCH can fit in a 8MB block after this is done then yes a block increase will follow if it's needed but right now after all optimisations there is adequate capacity just be patient it's not a race to the finish

99% of BCH code was created by BTC devs and most likely futurecode will be too don't try and cut off the hand that feeds you
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January 08, 2018, 12:19:49 AM
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https://coingeek.com/lightning-network-cant-scale-needs-another-layer/  Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked
Still no block size increase, but an entire additional layer—and the same high fees (possibly more) WTF Grin

Also...Coinex and other BCH exchanges..please add BCH-XRP, BCH-STR pairs...
both xrp and str got huge pumps, when people want to sell they are forced into usd/usdt/btc ...none of these choices are suitable for BCH "real bitcoin " supporters..
we dont want our coins going through old btc(causing a big spike in the charts) to change to the real Bitcoin(BCH)
Thanks guys  Kiss

When a publication is owned by Calvin Ayre or Roger Ver then it's automatically void.

It's like apple telling everybody why the iOS is superior to Android


Sounds like black and white thinking...

..aaand that's a poor analogy - which mobile OS is superior is mostly an opinion.

Unless of course you care to tally up the tech specs of each and try to make an objective decision. First you need to be clear about your priorities however (is cost more important than usability etc).

OK, Let's try it with cryptos, I will go first:

MY top Priorities (your can be different, but be honest please):
1. I can use it, merchants accept it and I can trade it on exchanges or with private parties
2. It's secure
3. It's safe from theft and govt meddling/inflation
4. Low fees

So far, BTC only fits 2 and 3 - 1 and 4 are gone due to Kore's retardedness/compromise

BCH fits all 4. Your turn.

That has nothing to do with the quote

You quote a post of me saying a BCH supporters publication is biased to the one side the same as if you asked apple which os is the best iOS or android no matter what the technicalities are apple will always say apple is better.

As for the what you try to derail the content with then BTC fills 1, 2, & 3 you like to post your acceptbitcoin.cash site and if you look over it then you would see BTC is accepted at way more places than BCH yes the fees are higher big deal once the rest of the scaling solutions have rolled out then that will ease the mempool and blockstream are not against a block increase its just not needed yet once schnorr signatures etc are implemented BTC will be able to store more transactions in the current block as BCH can in a 8MB block and if a increase is needed after all this it will be rolled out in a future release

Other busy coins are getting higher fees now too ETH is around $2.50 now and but its got issues but its not block space issue the network infrastructure cannot process the transactions fast enough also with the rise of ripple recently the transaction fee has gone up 3000% even BCH now has a average tx fee of about $0.40 yea its not much but a far cry from under $0.01 that it was a couple of month ago
 

No no no teck, I bolded the relevant text. You replied to a comment about no blocksize increase saying it's invalid "becuz Calvin Ayre and Roger Ver sez".

Now it's your turn. What are your priorities and how does BTC fulfill them better than BCH? Should be easy for you, considering how vehement you are in your convictions? So if store of value is first priority for you, that's fine... but let's at least get you on the record with facts rather than name-calling and blustering...

No it was about the article that what you highlighted is bold was just a quote from it which is going to be biased due to the publication owner

Like ive said many many times BTC is prioritising chain optimisation this will allow roughly the same amount of transactions to fit in the current block space that BCH can fit in a 8MB block after this is done then yes a block increase will follow if it's needed but right now after all optimisations there is adequate capacity just be patient it's not a race to the finish

99% of BCH code was created by BTC devs and most likely futurecode will be too don't try and cut off the hand that feeds you

Ownership of some thing does not equate a bias that precludes the speaker from making statements that are also accurate.  A speaker can make the full disclosure that they own some items in the discussion but it is not grounds for categorical dismissal of the statement by any means whatsoever LOL.  

And if I take away the key to your house and require a third party &/ or lower security software to make keys and permissions so you can enter your house is not optimization by most people's definition.  You might just get run out of town in some parts if you "optimize" like that in the light of day.

And bch is bitcoin so your last comment is nonsense.  btc has gone the way of the altcoin and now competes with testnets for its' former self


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January 08, 2018, 04:37:34 AM
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Anyone else thinking BitcoinCash will reach 2,000 this weekend? I have a feeling we are in for another big pump just like last weekend. People are getting fed up with regular bitcoin, its not functional as a currency at best its crypto "gold". You can actually send gold through the mail for about the same price and speed as bitcoin now.


NOT REALLY wheras the group that pumped BCH to epic levels are now buying BTX :-D lmao

Buying BTX lol? Can I have some of what you are smoking? You do realize last weekends pump involved volume of about 5 BILLION + dollars per day and Cash is still at 3 billion in the last 24 hours.

Your BTX is at 10 MILLION volume LOL. I think you are a more than a little confused.

There's a new BTX that wants to be B2X but its forked from Bitcoin Gold https://bitcoin2m.org/ https://github.com/bitcoin2m/BitcoinX
Can this get any more convoluted?

Independent Day of Bitcoin 2M+Segwit

Today, Nov 16th 2017 is the day of Bitcoin 2X Independent Day. it is  hard  time for b2x investors .no any warning. All the NYA signers betrayed all the B2X investors . B2x investors lost 90% fortune in mins.

Now new B2X team build up. ASIC MINER is not trust-able .in order to protect the 2M+SW dream, to protect the b2x investors.

We will:
1, change mining algo to gpu mining
2, 2M+SW
3, add two way replay attack protection
4, no pre-mine
5,fork height: 494784.

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Github: https://github.com/bitcoin2m/bitcoin2x

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2377598.0

Is this actually being traded somewhere? And its just futures trading right now?
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January 08, 2018, 05:06:21 AM
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Coinbase said mid january and still nothing for now ... It seems everyone forgot about this coin
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January 08, 2018, 08:47:42 AM
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Here is some techy stuff about LN - in case you've not seen it :

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg27684676#msg27684676

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January 08, 2018, 11:33:46 AM
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Coinbase said mid january and still nothing for now ... It seems everyone forgot about this coin
Nobody has forgotten about this one.
It had a huge growth just 24 hours ago.

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January 08, 2018, 01:43:28 PM
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Lot's of stuff and huge things incoming

https://youtu.be/-6wQ0BBdAkI?t=2023



At ca 33 min  - cheers!

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January 08, 2018, 03:04:18 PM
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Nothing to worry about ...(noobies and others, hope you appreciate this, ive done this alot for you guys)

we had a market correction, we will not go under $600bill,
if you sold and took profits on coins, well done...

Now get back in, we not going much lower...

We gonna test the $trill for the first time ever  Smiley


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Bitcoin cash is the real upgrade bitcoin needed, not segwit.btc is no longer what people think it was...https://www.segwetters.org/
How The Banks Bought Bitcoin  The Lightning Network - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYHFrf5ci_g&feature=youtu.be&repost= Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf
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January 08, 2018, 03:05:12 PM
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https://coingeek.com/lightning-network-cant-scale-needs-another-layer/
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January 08, 2018, 03:22:30 PM
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Within the South Korean cryptocurrency exchange market, the price of Bitcoin Cash has surpassed $3,800, due to a flurry of mainstream media reports that have emerged over the past few days.
https://www.ccn.com/bitcoin-cash-surges-3800-korea-amid-flurry-mainstream-media-coverage-roger-ver/

 They be Smoking Kim-Chi pumping XRP and Bcash..lol Grin
 LTC lowering TX fees next week..look out. weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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January 08, 2018, 07:24:25 PM
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For now Bcash is all talk and promises from it's supporters but the reality shows it's just dumping, it's the one that lost the most in BTC these last days in the most known projects, even before the BTC pump, while other projects are more solid or even pumping

Exactly more and better projects are coming. Bcash is nothing more then a manipulated pump and dump coin. Isn't used for payments just ask the Bshills for the embarrassing list.
it has a terrible rep (thank Roger Ver). Keep dreaming  Grin

what I don't understand if Bitcoin Cash not worth anything (by your opinion) then why waste time if there are better projects.

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January 08, 2018, 08:02:49 PM
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11 January 2018
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13 January 2018
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14 January 2018
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January 09, 2018, 12:35:00 AM
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OK, Let's try it with cryptos, I will go first:

MY top Priorities (your can be different, but be honest please):
1. I can use it, merchants accept it and I can trade it on exchanges or with private parties
2. It's secure
3. It's safe from theft and govt meddling/inflation
4. Low fees

So far, BTC only fits 2 and 3 - 1 and 4 are gone due to Kore's retardedness/compromise

BCH fits all 4. Your turn.


No it was about the article that what you highlighted is bold was just a quote from it which is going to be biased due to the publication owner

Like ive said many many times BTC is prioritising chain optimisation this will allow roughly the same amount of transactions to fit in the current block space that BCH can fit in a 8MB block after this is done then yes a block increase will follow if it's needed but right now after all optimisations there is adequate capacity just be patient it's not a race to the finish

99% of BCH code was created by BTC devs and most likely futurecode will be too don't try and cut off the hand that feeds you

Come on teck, you're stalling. No more buzzwords and rhetoric. Just make your list of priorities - it will help you think this all through.
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January 09, 2018, 06:58:18 AM
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OK, Let's try it with cryptos, I will go first:

MY top Priorities (your can be different, but be honest please):
1. I can use it, merchants accept it and I can trade it on exchanges or with private parties
2. It's secure
3. It's safe from theft and govt meddling/inflation
4. Low fees

So far, BTC only fits 2 and 3 - 1 and 4 are gone due to Kore's retardedness/compromise

BCH fits all 4. Your turn.


No it was about the article that what you highlighted is bold was just a quote from it which is going to be biased due to the publication owner

Like ive said many many times BTC is prioritising chain optimisation this will allow roughly the same amount of transactions to fit in the current block space that BCH can fit in a 8MB block after this is done then yes a block increase will follow if it's needed but right now after all optimisations there is adequate capacity just be patient it's not a race to the finish

99% of BCH code was created by BTC devs and most likely futurecode will be too don't try and cut off the hand that feeds you

Come on teck, you're stalling. No more buzzwords and rhetoric. Just make your list of priorities - it will help you think this all through.

You cannot fix stupid with that guy.

He still would use next Windows Version despite MS (soft) forked it to e.g. store all his private data in  a MS cloud to give him more local disc space (or something very similar but same stupid) , which would make a < 1% change of MS code.

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January 09, 2018, 09:06:42 AM
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Lot's of stuff and huge things incoming

https://youtu.be/-6wQ0BBdAkI?t=2023



At ca 33 min  - cheers!
excellent interview!  nailing it!  enjoyed watching the previous video too re: the ln.  The look on that guys face as he realizes the ln fees.  economists know how bad fees are for a currency)


agree the core guys are putting out the "bitcoin" alts.  just shows they were bad actors not incompetent actors IMO.



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January 09, 2018, 03:10:16 PM
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https://uk.trustpilot.com/review/kraken.com
Kraken is pure crap
Kraken is pure crap. Bugs all the time, takes ages to do anything. Each page takes 30 seconds to load, it's like being back in the 90s.


Published 5 days ago
STAY AWAY. absolute piece of crap// even a SCAM perhaps
This feels like a 100% scam. barely got out with my money. everything is slow as fck. my reloade button broke from constant relodes those errors are absolutely frustrating / takes ~10 attempts to write an order to the order book and when i decided to withdraw my ltc the site told me that i need further identification with my passport. but i insisted on reloading the page and withdrawal page reappeared again. i guess id's not needed afterall Smiley they just trying to get my id as a last resort those fckn scamers. glad im gone now.



KRAKEN  BYE BYE...lost too much money because of you guys...why bother using it when it cant even do what it says...trade...
seems like its designed to take peoples money by not letting them buy or sell when they want to.



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Diabolically Poor

Literally the only thing Kraken has going for it is that they will let you deposit/withdraw fiat currency and make a couple of grand's worth of transactions per month, without forcing you to expose yourself to Identity Theft by requiring you to upload personal documents first --as most of the other exchanges insist upon.

Everything else about the site is a total and utter shambles.

* Connections to the site are the most unreliable of any website I have ever used. After a while, you will find yourself thinking that the CloudFlare Error Page is the Kraken homepage, you'll be seeing it so frequently.

* Often it literally takes ten or twenty reloads of a page before it finally displays a page, without timing out. And this is for every single page on the site; every time you click a link to change pages, or display a different set of info, you'll be playing Reload Roulette.

* To compound the general unusability of the site; when pages do eventually load, often half the content is missing, so you can't see anything anyway.

* If a miracle happens, the gods smile on you and you both manage to get a page to load and to load fully, then you're still not out of the woods. Any transactions you try to make are far more likely to fail than to succeed and often you will see alarming [but spurious] error messages telling you your account has been locked, or that you need to upgrade it to be able to transact.

I think sometimes the site actually chooses error messages at random and displays them, just to try and make you think it's actually doing something, rather than just timing out again. Whatever the case, it's back for another round of Reload Roulette for you!

What makes all of this so galling is that Kraken's fees are amongst the highest of any of the big exchanges. They must be absolutely coining it in, yet they do nothing to fix their shambolic website. They've been promising major upgrades for nigh on a year now and nothing ever improves. If anything, the performance is getting worse.

if you do actually manage to buy some crypto from there, I'd recommend you withdraw it immediately to your own wallet/s, rather than leave it in the care of these Keystone Cops.

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January 09, 2018, 03:15:38 PM
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Upgrade your

https://electroncash.org/

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January 09, 2018, 10:03:41 PM
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have a nice evening, day, morning...
Where Can normal poeple pay with BongaCash ?

Any stores? shops ? why cannnot pay I normal SHOPS in sthe streets ?

Buy coffe, buy vegetables, buy parking, buy cinema,,,

yes it is good invest and HODL in wallet, but this is ALL ??



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