BiblePay | 10% to Orphan-Charity | RANDOMX MINING | Sanctuaries (Masternodes)

[sunk818]

- Tithing wont be spammy, it will be about 3* more frequent as it is now, but this "assumption" of spammy is not correct to begin with, as difficulty will settle in a dynamic fashion

I think 3x more qualifies as spammy. If we have more participants, shouldn't the PoG difficulty adjust the max tithe down? I don't understand why you're having to put out a mandatory now to address an issue, that's not fully observed. Maybe it was a mistake to put [Pog Tithe?] checkbox. Perhaps removing that and exec tithe from debug console can prevent the repeated tithing. And really the only two things we can adjust is:

tithe=1 (or whatever other value we want)

and

nickname

That would remove the spamming, although I realize it wouldn't necessarily prevent someone from using 1185 or 1186 w/o a mandatory.

[bible_pay]

- Tithing wont be spammy, it will be about 3* more frequent as it is now, but this "assumption" of spammy is not correct to begin with, as difficulty will settle in a dynamic fashion

I think 3x more qualifies as spammy. If we have more participants, shouldn't the PoG difficulty adjust the max tithe down? I don't understand why you're having to put out a mandatory now to address an issue, that's not fully observed. Maybe it was a mistake to put [Pog Tithe?] checkbox. Perhaps removing that and exec tithe from debug console can prevent the repeated tithing. And really the only two things we can adjust is:

tithe=1 (or whatever other value we want)

and

nickname

That would remove the spamming, although I realize it wouldn't necessarily prevent someone from using 1185 or 1186 w/o a mandatory.

Its not spammy, because a few extra tithes per participant per period does not qualify as spammy, nor does it exceed what PODCupdates do (in terms of spam), nor does this assumption take into account how the efficiency of POG causes the participant to slow their tithing while difficulty settles in on a certain range as coin-age is spent.     (Bitcoin deals with 32,000 transactions in single blocks while we deal with 10-20, its not really realistic to call POG spammy, especially with PODC being retired).

The Pog Tithe checkbox just gives a person an additional way to tithe, but this probably only accounts for 10% of the tithes (I assume 90% would be done by the miner).

We need a mandatory, regardless of this issue, as V2 is a needed improvement to have a professional product.  I want to see more than 1000 users in the leaderboard after V2.

[MIP]

BiblePay - 1.1.8.7 - Mandatory Upgrade
For entire network before block 102,025


- Fix bug in POG mining algorithm causing too many tithes to enter the
pog pool per day
- During block heights 100,775-102,024 BiblePay corrects most of the
overflow effects as a temporary leisure fix
- After block 102,025 (the mandatory deadline cutover height) Biblepay
upgrades POG to v2.0; this allows thousands of tithes into the pog pool
per day and corrects the algorithm from overflow effects and prevents
attacks
- Fix POW difficulty value for POBH in getinfo
- Make POG leaderboard sort by share % descending
- Allow tithe=n (allow any value including 2; 0=off, 1=default, 2-up =
minutes between tithing)
- Increased PODC vote height to 107,000 (when we vote to retire PODC)

https://github.com/biblepay/biblepay/commit/52b3fe81ca2ada664d815f21d090aa7ac12b5448

Available for MacOS. Ubuntu PPAs are currently building
(it will take 2-4 hours)

[lalexcross]

Dear,
after install wallet 1.1.8.5 my balance go down from 203.000 ti 4.000 ( more or less ).I really don't understand whatz appened.
Now I install a new wallet on main pc with the wallet.dat backup stop at 31/1/2019 date where the balance is right.

I'm really don't know what appened, I still waiting the connection to peer network because no connection with source...

Thanks for any help or suggestion.

Cheers
Ale

[lalexcross]

Dear,
after install wallet 1.1.8.5 my balance go down from 203.000 ti 4.000 ( more or less ).I really don't understand whatz appened.
Now I install a new wallet on main pc with the wallet.dat backup stop at 31/1/2019 date where the balance is right.

I'm really don't know what appened, I still waiting the connection to peer network because no connection with source...

Thanks for any help or suggestion.

Cheers
Ale

This is my config

addnode=node.biblepay.org

gen=1

utxooverride=-1

tithe=1

genproclimit=6

minersleep=0

pool=https://pool.purepool.org

workerid=************************

[dave_bbp]

To be honest I still don't understand how exactly the tithing works. I have tithe=1 in my config and my wallet occasionally sends out some BBP. By now I also appear in the leaderboard and I even received tithes already. However my "titheinfo" still shows 0 for all numbers:

Code:

  "24_hour_tithes": 79488.39999999999,
  "pog_difficulty": 102758.9892453088,
  "min_coin_age": 60,
  "min_coin_amt": 25000,
  "max_tithe_amount": 1,
  "Tithable_Coin_Quantity": 0,
  "Tithable_Largest_Coin": 0,
  "Tithable_Coin_Avg_Age": 0,
  "Tithable_Total_Coin_Balance": 0,
  "Tithability_Amount": 0,
  "Tithability_Summary": "NO",
  "Tithe_Cap": 50694,
  "Daily_Miner_Emissions": 94628,
  "Pool_Emissions": 75702.40000000001,
  "Lowest_ROI%": 16.5,
  "Highest_ROI%": -2.5

Also, why is "highest ROI" a negative number? (win x64 wallet 1187)

[lalexcross]

Dear,
after install wallet 1.1.8.5 my balance go down from 203.000 ti 4.000 ( more or less ).I really don't understand whatz appened.
Now I install a new wallet on main pc with the wallet.dat backup stop at 31/1/2019 date where the balance is right.

I'm really don't know what appened, I still waiting the connection to peer network because no connection with source...

Thanks for any help or suggestion.

Cheers
Ale

https://www.reddit.com/r/BiblePay/comments/7nmvm8/how_to_update_clean_wallets/

It is slightly possible (without knowing you specifics) that you mined on a fork.  But if you had a greater than 4000 balance for some time, that is unlikely.  Follow the steps on the "cleaning" guide and you should get things back on track.  I have seen a specific case where the steps had to be followed twice to achieve the results.

Thanks a lot.
But...Already done that... right now there aren't any source block available... So no connection at all
 

[shorty34]

Dear,
after install wallet 1.1.8.5 my balance go down from 203.000 ti 4.000 ( more or less ).I really don't understand whatz appened.
Now I install a new wallet on main pc with the wallet.dat backup stop at 31/1/2019 date where the balance is right.

I'm really don't know what appened, I still waiting the connection to peer network because no connection with source...

Thanks for any help or suggestion.

Cheers
Ale

https://www.reddit.com/r/BiblePay/comments/7nmvm8/how_to_update_clean_wallets/

It is slightly possible (without knowing you specifics) that you mined on a fork.  But if you had a greater than 4000 balance for some time, that is unlikely.  Follow the steps on the "cleaning" guide and you should get things back on track.  I have seen a specific case where the steps had to be followed twice to achieve the results.

Thanks a lot.
But...Already done that... right now there aren't any source block available... So no connection at all
 

Could you please add these lines to your biblepay.conf file and restart your wallet?

addnode=209.250.243.91
addnode=8.6.193.83

[bible_pay]

Dear,
after install wallet 1.1.8.5 my balance go down from 203.000 ti 4.000 ( more or less ).I really don't understand whatz appened.
Now I install a new wallet on main pc with the wallet.dat backup stop at 31/1/2019 date where the balance is right.

I'm really don't know what appened, I still waiting the connection to peer network because no connection with source...

Thanks for any help or suggestion.

Cheers
Ale

https://www.reddit.com/r/BiblePay/comments/7nmvm8/how_to_update_clean_wallets/

It is slightly possible (without knowing you specifics) that you mined on a fork.  But if you had a greater than 4000 balance for some time, that is unlikely.  Follow the steps on the "cleaning" guide and you should get things back on track.  I have seen a specific case where the steps had to be followed twice to achieve the results.

Thanks a lot.
But...Already done that... right now there aren't any source block available... So no connection at all
 

Please ensure your clock is correct within 2 seconds, your timezone is correct, delete banlist.dat, restart, and if you dont find a node within 5 mins:
addnode 45.32.201.137 onetry

[bible_pay]

To be honest I still don't understand how exactly the tithing works. I have tithe=1 in my config and my wallet occasionally sends out some BBP. By now I also appear in the leaderboard and I even received tithes already. However my "titheinfo" still shows 0 for all numbers:

Code:

  "24_hour_tithes": 79488.39999999999,
  "pog_difficulty": 102758.9892453088,
  "min_coin_age": 60,
  "min_coin_amt": 25000,
  "max_tithe_amount": 1,
  "Tithable_Coin_Quantity": 0,
  "Tithable_Largest_Coin": 0,
  "Tithable_Coin_Avg_Age": 0,
  "Tithable_Total_Coin_Balance": 0,
  "Tithability_Amount": 0,
  "Tithability_Summary": "NO",
  "Tithe_Cap": 50694,
  "Daily_Miner_Emissions": 94628,
  "Pool_Emissions": 75702.40000000001,
  "Lowest_ROI%": 16.5,
  "Highest_ROI%": -2.5

Also, why is "highest ROI" a negative number? (win x64 wallet 1187)

So we are waiting for some more people to upgrade to 1187 (see exec versionreport).  Once we have about 51% on 1187, you should no longer see this situation, as 1187 has a leisure feature that will actively reject the tithes that are too high (the sender of the tithe will not lose the money, they will get the transaction cancelled) and this should technically keep our POG pool within its bounds until the mandatory phase starts.

Once that starts we should see a lower average difficulty but every participant network wide should be in (thats what I would personally really like to see as I realized, in order to track mass participants we need all of them in the pool).

[seeksilence1]

Is PODC already retired? Now how to start mining using POG? Any instructions? Thanks.

[bible_pay]

Is PODC already retired? Now how to start mining using POG? Any instructions? Thanks.

No, we still have the 1mil~ per day PODC live.
We are going to vote on it around block 107,000.

Pog is currently paying just 3.5% of the budget.

Getting started guide:
https://wiki.biblepay.org/Proof-of-Giving-for-Beginners

[lalexcross]

Dear,
after install wallet 1.1.8.5 my balance go down from 203.000 ti 4.000 ( more or less ).I really don't understand whatz appened.
Now I install a new wallet on main pc with the wallet.dat backup stop at 31/1/2019 date where the balance is right.

I'm really don't know what appened, I still waiting the connection to peer network because no connection with source...

Thanks for any help or suggestion.

Cheers
Ale

https://www.reddit.com/r/BiblePay/comments/7nmvm8/how_to_update_clean_wallets/

It is slightly possible (without knowing you specifics) that you mined on a fork.  But if you had a greater than 4000 balance for some time, that is unlikely.  Follow the steps on the "cleaning" guide and you should get things back on track.  I have seen a specific case where the steps had to be followed twice to achieve the results.

But...Already done that... right now there aren't any source block available... So no connection at all
 

Please ensure your clock is correct within 2 seconds, your timezone is correct, delete banlist.dat, restart, and if you dont find a node within 5 mins:
addnode 45.32.201.137 onetry

Rigth now everything since to be ok, wallet is update.
A question... I mine with 3 computers I add the configuration for  POG in all of 3 or just in one ?

 
Thanks a lot.

[sunk818]

Thanks a lot.
But...Already done that... right now there aren't any source block available... So no connection at all
 

If you went from 4k to 203k quickly mining many rewards, you were mining on a sidechain and those rewards are invalid.

Quit BiblePay QT Wallet

Backup your wallet.dat - erase everything except for wallet.dat and biblepay.conf

Inside biblepay.conf make sure you have at least:

addnode=node.biblepay.org

So, inside %appdata%/BiblePayCore should only be those two files.

Restart QT wallet

If your wallet syncs great.

If you see that your total balance is incorrect, wait until you are fully synced.

Then do a Tools, Wallet Repair, zapwallettxes=1

this may bring back some of transactions were accidentally forgotten

[bible_pay]

Dear,
after install wallet 1.1.8.5 my balance go down from 203.000 ti 4.000 ( more or less ).I really don't understand whatz appened.
Now I install a new wallet on main pc with the wallet.dat backup stop at 31/1/2019 date where the balance is right.

I'm really don't know what appened, I still waiting the connection to peer network because no connection with source...

Thanks for any help or suggestion.

Cheers
Ale

https://www.reddit.com/r/BiblePay/comments/7nmvm8/how_to_update_clean_wallets/

It is slightly possible (without knowing you specifics) that you mined on a fork.  But if you had a greater than 4000 balance for some time, that is unlikely.  Follow the steps on the "cleaning" guide and you should get things back on track.  I have seen a specific case where the steps had to be followed twice to achieve the results.

But...Already done that... right now there aren't any source block available... So no connection at all
 

Please ensure your clock is correct within 2 seconds, your timezone is correct, delete banlist.dat, restart, and if you dont find a node within 5 mins:
addnode 45.32.201.137 onetry

Rigth now everything since to be ok, wallet is update.
A question... I mine with 3 computers I add the configuration for  POG in all of 3 or just in one ?

 
Thanks a lot.

Pog primarily works the best on the machine you keep your bbp balance (as pog uses coin age to tithe).
If you want to mine on 3 machines, I recommend to set machine A up for POG, then machines B & C for solo or pool mining.

[sunk818]

Pog primarily works the best on the machine you keep your bbp balance (as pog uses coin age to tithe).
If you want to mine on 3 machines, I recommend to set machine A up for POG, then machines B & C for solo or pool mining.

With 1187, is there a limit on how many times we can tithe and a max tithe amount?

[bible_pay]

Pog primarily works the best on the machine you keep your bbp balance (as pog uses coin age to tithe).
If you want to mine on 3 machines, I recommend to set machine A up for POG, then machines B & C for solo or pool mining.

With 1187, is there a limit on how many times we can tithe and a max tithe amount?

In Phase 1, if POG Diff < 5000, and the supermajority has upgraded, we only accept 5 tithes per block, and the tithe parameters have not changed.
In Phase 2, after block 102025, the maximum tithe amount is 10 bbp, and we limit the tithe count to 75 per block (if diff is < 5000 for that block). 
In Phase 2, after block 102025, if POG diff > 5000, we limit the tithe count to 150 per block.

Rejected POG tithes show up in the client as "The transaction was rejected by the network! Check your wallet to ensure the coins have not been double spent."

The BBP will not be subtracted from the users balance and the icon will show as conflicted.

[sunk818]

In Phase 1, if POG Diff < 5000, and the supermajority has upgraded, we only accept 5 tithes per block, and the tithe parameters have not changed.
In Phase 2, after block 102025, the maximum tithe amount is 10 bbp, and we limit the tithe count to 75 per block (if diff is < 5000 for that block).  
In Phase 2, after block 102025, if POG diff > 5000, we limit the tithe count to 150 per block.

If we want to tithe more then we can create more wallets? Do you expect 50k BBP to be donated per day (on average) with these new parameters?

If someone doesn't participate in PoG (like exchanges or hardcore PoDCer), do they really need to upgrade to 1187? Seems like all the changes are PoG related.

[slovakia]

again update all MNs,wallets? omg

[bible_pay]

In Phase 1, if POG Diff < 5000, and the supermajority has upgraded, we only accept 5 tithes per block, and the tithe parameters have not changed.
In Phase 2, after block 102025, the maximum tithe amount is 10 bbp, and we limit the tithe count to 75 per block (if diff is < 5000 for that block).  
In Phase 2, after block 102025, if POG diff > 5000, we limit the tithe count to 150 per block.

If we want to tithe more then we can create more wallets? Do you expect 50k BBP to be donated per day (on average) with these new parameters?

If someone doesn't participate in PoG (like exchanges or hardcore PoDCer), do they really need to upgrade to 1187? Seems like all the changes are PoG related.

Creating more wallets will be counterproductive, as you need coin-age to tithe.

The entire network must upgrade (its a mandatory upgrade).

On a side note, POG has a hard consensus (unlike PODC contracts), meaning a change to pog is a consensus change.

I believe in phase1 the donations will be a lot closer per day (to the target) but I think in phase2, they will almost be exact per day.