[LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining)

[Vigil]

If they wanted to cheat, they would've shown the same packages. No cheaters will make such obvious mistakes.

Unless they want to shake people out of their shares to collect a larger percentage of the mining profits. Create some uncertainty.

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[Ytterbium]

Zoom in to the packaging, it is the same. They have come from a slab and you can see they've been snipped off. The pack on the right was snipped a little rougher.

They. Are. Not. The. Same. Package. Look carefully at the raised interior portion of the package.

Seriously, it's hard to believe you're not trolling here, because it doesn't actually seem possible for someone not to be able to understand the concept that things look different when they've been flipped over.

The chips may be flipped but the packages are not flipped over. Both have the side which seats the chips facing up.

This is so easy to see that anyone who denies it must be trolling. Again, I am not talking about the chips but their plastic package reels which have been cut-off the main reel.

OMG. You are using the wrong words.  You are using the word "package" to refer to the pieces of cut tape, not the packaging.

What you are calling the chips - the things with the wires sticking out - those are actually the packages. You can't actually see the chip, they are hidden inside the packaging.

So when you say the "packaging" is different, it makes no sense at all.

Zoom in to the packaging, it is the same. They have come from a slab and you can see they've been snipped off. The pack on the right was snipped a little rougher.

Wait... do you mean then when he's saying packaging he's refering to the cut tape, and not the plastic lqfp44 packages.

Because normally when someone talks about packaging, I'm assuming they're talking about the packaging

As far as cut tape it looks like someone put some scotch tape on one of the plastic covers to keep it in place, which wasn't necessary on the other.

jesus christ. There is no need to derail the observation with some semantic technicality. There is no scotch tape, those are the covers which hold the chips in their package.

Additionally, the chips are not the same size in this image. One is a couple milimeters larger.

No, those are pieces of cut tape that hold packaged chips. If you use the wrong words for things, no one will know what you're talking about and you'll sound insane.

[carpetbagger]

They. Are. Not. The. Same. Package. Look carefully at the raised interior portion of the package.

Uh huh, and how are you even comparing the interiors when one is obscured from view by a sheet of plastic?



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[BitThink]

It will be more effective if you doubt whether their chips will work.

[Vigil]

They. Are. Not. The. Same. Package. Look carefully at the raised interior portion of the package.

Uh huh, and how are you even comparing the interiors when one is obscured from view by a sheet of plastic?



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Because you can clearly see two parallel raised sections in the tape on the right which are not present on the left (it has a continuous raised section - a rounded corner square with a circle in it) AND the hole is larger in the tape on the right than on the left.

Also, to reiterate, the two chips are different sizes. Could be an effect of distance and camera angle but one is 2 mm larger than the other.

[dhenson]

He was talking about the plastic carrier... seriously?



You know what, you're right.  Total scam.  There is a shadow of an obfuscated raised plastic bump... those f'n scammers! /sarcasm

This is what happens when you spend to much time on an internet forum.  You get drawn into arguments that make your head hurt.

[Vigil]

He was talking about the plastic carrier... seriously?



You know what, you're right.  Total scam.  There is a shadow of an obfuscated raised plastic bump... those f'n scammers! /sarcasm

This is what happens when you spend to much time on an internet forum.  You get drawn into arguments that make your head hurt.

If they are the same chip, why are the "plastic carriers" different? And why are they different sizes? You are acting like you were so confused that you are now unable to answer a legitimate question.

There are obviously differences, why are they there?

[Ytterbium]

Let's see if we can explain some things for the slow learners here:

[Vigil]

I'll give you that they are the same size. I think I mis-measured them.

Second, you have not answered why the plastic carriers are different.

I didn't see the scotch tape but it is irrelevant.

[KCBitcoin]

They aren't the same size, I have measured them. You can scale the image to make them the same size in the comparison you did.

Second, you have not answered why the plastic carriers are different.

I didn't see the scotch tape but it is irrelevant.

u didn't see the scotch tape?!
It's like saying, i didn't not see the chips, i can only see two empty packages.

[Vigil]

They aren't the same size, I have measured them. You can scale the image to make them the same size in the comparison you did.

Second, you have not answered why the plastic carriers are different.

I didn't see the scotch tape but it is irrelevant.

u didn't see the scotch tape?!
It's like saying, i didn't not see the chips, i can only see two empty packages.

Not seeing a small piece of transparent scotch tape on the underside of an object is not like saying any such thing. The piece of tape is easily missed.

[dhenson]

Second, you have not answered why the plastic carriers are different.

Not only are they not different, but it is obvious (to me anyway) that they used to be a solid piece cut in two.  Look at the right edge of the left carrier and the left edge of the right.  The swerving cut matches.

Can we stop now?

[Ytterbium]

They aren't the same size, I have measured them. You can scale the image to make them the same size in the comparison you did.

Second, you have not answered why the plastic carriers are different.

I didn't see the scotch tape but it is irrelevant.

Uh huh, and what are your measurements exactly? Try to keep in mind that every lqfp44 chip package is exactly the same, with an allowed tolerance of 0.1mm for width and height.

Also, I didn't scale anything, the chips are exactly as they appear in the original image, aside from the rotation.

There are some slight differences in the two image sizes, likely do to the fact that you know, this was taken with an actual camera in the real world and the bottom chip would be slightly closer. But they actually did a pretty good job of taking the picture straight on, they are only a few pixels different in width.

[Ytterbium]

They aren't the same size, I have measured them. You can scale the image to make them the same size in the comparison you did.

Second, you have not answered why the plastic carriers are different.

I didn't see the scotch tape but it is irrelevant.

u didn't see the scotch tape?!
It's like saying, i didn't not see the chips, i can only see two empty packages.

Not seeing a small piece of transparent scotch tape on the underside of an object is not like saying any such thing. The piece of tape is easily missed.

The scotch tape is the only "difference" between the two pieces of cut tape that I could see, along with the jagged edge of the other piece. It does look like there may be a bump in the bottom of one of them that isn't in the other, but it's impossible to tell, and it could be caused by pressure when they popped the chip out for the first time.

Seriously.  You were wrong.  Just get over it.

[bigdude]

I can't believe that I woke up and just read that last 5 pages of complete BS ...

[drawingthesun]

This thread is an embarrassment.

[tslimx]

omg there is a piece of tape *emo self cuts bleeds and dies*

seriously i popped some pain killers after reading the last two days of posts and will sleep like a baby now.

[ferskvare]

Luckily, I skipped the last 6 pages, and just read this page. Wow, am I glad Ytterbium took the battle for me. You, Sir, have my thanks for actually taking time to do some solid work against the trolls. I still don't get the whole "omg, no news today, bubble, scam, pop" thing though. I can get why day traders would want the  share value to fluctuate to make profit off of, but there are surely more creative and better hidden ways to do that?

Or are you trolls just totally lacking in the imagination department? Do you really think people in here cannot see through the whole "I am here to warn you and save you from making a bad investment"-story? You really give people too little credit. Toddlers would see through you.

[Multi]

sell sell !!

[drawingthesun]

WTF