Good I am glad we have got that 100% cleared up that u are indeed a sycophant
There is no point trying to converse with you as a rock with moss has the mental capability of reason & understanding by a 10 x magnitude more than yourself.....
There is something really wrong with you & I wont be apart of your dysfunction any longer.....BFL are the devil & you are the devils helper
Good luck with That
The thing you refuse to understand is the what is often labeled as malice in truth ends up being inexperience or incompetance. You view every problem and mistake as an intentional method to put the screws to customers. Thus, in truth, you're deluded, because you are looking at things through muddied glasses and refuse to clean them.
Ok I will try one last time.....
U are not a spring chicken and have got some experience with the world....
1) Convicted "LONG CON" felon ....i.e spent years in jail !!
There is no benefit of doubt given to convicted felons who look to be prepertrating the same crime AGAIN!
2) After so many misteps ..i.e missing parts ...how is it that they keep "NOT" ordering them again
3) They are actually in their 3rd generation of bitcoinmining equipment so they are not a babe in the woods at this
4) They have personal/directors mining setups & therefore the "MOTIVE" is massive for them to commit this fraud upon their customers
There is no crime without a MOTIVE
5) After so MANY lies......Everything they have said time & time again is non stop lies ...IRL if somebody who is an adult keeps doing this type of behaiviour its usually takes about 2-3 times before you say "hey these people are just fucking with me"
6) Caught red handed in the latest charge back/ship out of order incident & once again lying to cover their tracks (its almost like the lie validates the intent) ....I agree in a total theorectical way looking at it in isolation that a shipment could get sent out of order .....but then the follow up charge back dispute, thats just bullshit
7) The monarch instant 2 months delay in 48 hours ... funny how it helped them generate over 3-4 million in sales and then they come back with a 60 day delay ......also dont forget their is a small batch of units being build to the initial deadline (i wonder who they are going too ?)
the list goes on and on and on .....so many people ...so many instances .....so much $$$ to their benefit
9) I have somebody who has confirmed all of these opinions who is a lot closer to this than me & been involved from the beginning ...u would call them an insider to this whole affair
So after all of this if you are going to claim that ALL of this is just inexperience & naivety I really do believe you are being totally obtuse in this matter ..why ??.... some mental dysfuction or ulterior motive (they are not going to make u their forum spokes person as u so DEEPLY would love to happen) , as any sane person would at least give some credit to the ever mounting pile of evidence....
Even erk had similar views as yourself going back 6 months ...was totally evangelical as yourself in defending BFL ...even he himself has now come to see BFL in a new light as for any intelligent person it does not add up time & time again no matter how you may want to view it ..I am sure you will be the same given time
Also as u are a "noob" dont you think that others may have a little bit more of experience to these matters than yourself ..just because u have found crypto ..thats great and have now been reading & posting non-stop for the last 6 weeks does not mean you have any wisdom on these matters
I look forward to your response ...
1) People change. Do you honestly feel we should just institute the death penalty on all criminals becaue "they did it once, they'll do it again"?
2) It's not a matter of not ordering them, you are assuming things over which you have no understanding. The reality of the situation is that there is a kink in the supply chain and the orders are not being filled as promised. To use one of the favorite statements on this forum, the supplier is BFL'ing BFL. The simple fact of the matter is that BFL has 2 warehouses full of cases, PSUs, heat sinks, etc., the company in Chicago has more than enough boards, the thing they DON'T have an excess supply of is the chips. I have no idea of the true numbers, but imagine you ordered 10,000 chips a day and only 800 or 1500 were arriving. To make it clearer, imagine have 10,000 Corvettes sitting in the lot and all you are waiting on is engines. Can't ship without an engine, but the engine manufacturer can't deliver as fast as they promised. You call and call and call, you get promised things are ramping up, yet it never does. BFL is accepting the blame for their suppliers from you and others without letting you know it's actually out of their hands. As an interesting side note, I can't see this same problem happening with the Monarch... you have 1 or 2 chips VS 128.
3) You are either counting the two different types of FPGA as generations or including the 28nm which is not out yet. During the FPGA run they had hundreds of orders. The ASICs have had tens of thousands. BFL basically started out as a garage operation with 4 engineers and now it's bursting at the seams in desparate need of more space. Obviously they have had growing pains along the way, I doubt Wozniak and Jobs had the explosive growth BFL has in just 2 short years.
4) Once again, Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity or incompetance. Just because Avalon mined with their gear before shipping it out does not mean everyone is doing it. This is just like a favorite buzz-word at the moment, again without a shred of proof. As mentioned in #2, they ship out every board they get in as a product daily, so the 'perceived' forced slowdown of products is not happening, they are in truth shipping as fast as possible. Also consider this... BFL is estimated to have 3PH of pre-orders according to
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=283820.0. Using only 1.5TH mini-rigs, that'd be $60,000,000 in orders, so that is a ballpark low figure. Why in gods name would someone be foolish enough to risky tens of millions in lost orders to gain a few hundred thousand by mining?
5) You are again treating incompetance as malice, and before you go off, most of this is supplier incompetance, not BFL's. This type of ASIC is far different from others, it is 'on' more than any other type and therefore uses more power in the process. I think the percentages I was given were a normal ASIC is 'on' 17% of the time while these are 'on' 50% of the time. In the FPGA this worked out to 4x the power draw, and now in the ASIC it worked out to 5-6x. The foundries never dealt with this before so they had to learn, it appears the bumping facility went off without a hitch, but the binning process had to start from scratch as well. BFL decided to take the heat and repeated what they were told, and now are accused of lies. I can imagine what they would have been called if they just kept silent... damned if you do, damned if you don't.
6) I think there is some missing information... I know of 1 person who got both a unit and a refund and I know of several people saying they will refuse to sign for it cause they FEEL what you say will happen, but I don't know of an actual case where the chargeback was reversed due to the miner being shipped. Can you show definitive proof that this did happen?
7) You are again assuming malice without any facts. I do not have sufficient information about the monarch to comment.
You are being too ambiguous here for me to understand what you are talking about. Is there some proof you have here or is this just the general word of mouth that goes on here daily? I don't understand.
9) Let me see if I understand you here... you are claiming to know someone who... what... works at BFL and has told you all of this is 100% true? Are you trying to say you have definitive proof of everything you have claimed in 1-8? Why didn't you just post it all and end the speculation instead of asking me how I felt on all of it?
This is what I am talking about... you're resorting to name-calling, referring to me as a noob without any true understanding of who I am. You are making an uninformed statement based on... opinion. You have no idea of how much research I have done, you have no idea of my background, yet you feel that because the date I joined the forum shows I have not been here as long as you that I must just be a clueless fanboi who parrots the party line and has no brain of my own to use. This is why I blow off 90% of what you direct at me, because you have already shown your mind is closed and you refuse to look at anything other than your own narrow opinion.
