[ANN][Pool][Profit-Switch][Optional Auto-Exchange per Coin][Vardiff] ~ Hashcows

[johndec]

I love the interface and the openness of the website!

But man, my payout was about 1/3rd of what I averaged at middlecoin >_<
It might be coincidental timing, with altcoins going to crap right now, or just growing pains and needing to weed out some of the stinker coins. I think I'll try it out again in a week or so after some of the kinks have been worked out

Great work so far. Hope you guys are successful.

I'm far from an apologist for the owners of this pool, in fact I've had a few digs about poorly performing coins and the commission rate.  However, and this should be made clearer by the owners that the first days payout is usually only about 2/3 of what you have actually earned as they only pay out on fully matured blocks.

To give you an example, I mined on this pool for exactly 24 hours 3 days ago.  Because their payout time didn't match my 24 hour window I got paid 22 hours worth of work less unmatured blocks less the other 2 hours the next day.  Which meant I got paid 0.019 BTC at 0100 hours American EST on the 16th September and 0.009 at 0100 hours on the 17th September (I'd gone to another pool for the 2nd 24 hours).  This 0.009 was my extra 2 hours mining plus the blocks that finally matured. 

You really need to give it 2 or 3 days to work out if you are making an earn here...

PS: nearmiss and aTriz.  Can you quote times in UTC to make it easy for everyone? America isn't the only place with "EST"    Australia has an EST as well and we don't all live in the good 'ole US of A. 

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[iGotSpots]

Drop down ALF, MEC, ANC, and GDC -

Drop ANC??  Are you mad? It's a goldmine when the difficulty drops and far and away the most profitable coin on the pool.   

Oops, I meant MNC, my bad

[johndec]

Oh dear... Whatever the handicap was, it wasn't enough.  Bye Bye EMD 

[aTriz]

Seems like coins with lower difficulties seem to have worse returns... we will hit these coins with a bigger hit within the hour. We should not see these for a bit

[nearmiss]

I love the interface and the openness of the website!

But man, my payout was about 1/3rd of what I averaged at middlecoin >_<
It might be coincidental timing, with altcoins going to crap right now, or just growing pains and needing to weed out some of the stinker coins. I think I'll try it out again in a week or so after some of the kinks have been worked out

Great work so far. Hope you guys are successful.

Thanks for checking us out.  I hadn't done the direct comparison yet (until the #'s below), but on the small sample size I used to grab a BTC/Mh/S value I believe we averaged identical numbers over the last 2 days.  They fluctuated more across the 2days, we were near even, the averages were the same, though I could be wrong.   I don't mean to try and sound like I'm making excuses or anything, but the market isn't what it was, even a couple weeks back.   Every pool and miner is feeling that.  So if your comparing payouts, just be sure your doing it during similar windows of time, and not against more profitable times for everyone.

This is my rough estimate over the last 3 days:  .0179, .0149, .0164 = .0164 average.
I notice the other pool seems to have done:  .024, .0095, .0215 = .0171 average.

I'm fairly happy with that comparison so far.  While it shows we have some work to do for sure, we are only a little over 4 days old, consistently looking to better our coin selection (both through removals and additions), and hopefully at some point will reach a mass large enough to mine some of the slightly more stable (both hashrate-wise and price-wise) coins like FTC and NVC which can only help profits for everyone in the long run.  All feedback welcome and appreciated.  We are here to try and make everyone profits, and will do whatever we can to help improve those.  

[Thirtybird]

Seems like coins with lower difficulties seem to have worse returns... we will hit these coins with a bigger hit within the hour. We should not see these for a bit

This is exactly right - mining DGC for a while, it's difficulty would swap twice a day (on average) - for 22 hours it would be 3.x, and when the difficulty adjusted after 1080 blocks, it would drop to 1.x, at which time, all the multipools would jump on it, and the 1080 blocks before the next difficulty adjustment would happen in 2 hours instead of the targeted 6 hrs.  During those 2 hours, reject rates would soar and corresponding hashrates would plummet as the rounds went by in 6-7 seconds.  Sadly, there's not much an price-based algorithm can do to know that everyone and their brother just bombed a certain coins network with hashrate.

It might be novel to always mine the second most profitable coin

[AbiTxGroup]

This is my rough estimate over the last 3 days:  .0179, .0149, .0164 = .0164 average.
I notice the other pool seems to have done:  .024, .0095, .0215 = .0171 average.

I have not been here that long, but with +2MH/s, I am not showing the above average at this point.  I will know more after a week of mining then report my findings.  (EDIT NOTE - Forgot that my total BTC does not inlude emd, kgc, dgc which I have set not to auto-trade)

I do have a question about a payout though.  This is in my ledger ( I took out the DGC address):

         dgc   **DGC Address**   Debit_ATP   40.473886   0            0   2013-09-18 08:45:01
667    dgc                                    Credit   40.573886   0.82804   0   2013-09-18 08:40:03

Why was the payout taken back?

[nearmiss]

This is my rough estimate over the last 3 days:  .0179, .0149, .0164 = .0164 average.
I notice the other pool seems to have done:  .024, .0095, .0215 = .0171 average.

I have not been here that long, but with +2MH/s, I am not showing the above average at this point.  I will know more after a week of mining then report my findings.

I do have a question about a payout though.  This is in my ledger ( I took out the DGC address):

         dgc   **DGC Address**   Debit_ATP   40.473886   0            0   2013-09-18 08:45:01
667    dgc                                    Credit   40.573886   0.82804   0   2013-09-18 08:40:03

Why was the payout taken back?

Thats showing a deposit (Credit) of 40.57 DGC to your account for coins mined, then you were sent (Debit via Automatic Threshold Payout (ATP))  40.47,  5 minutes later.

Also keep in mind, your numbers may vary if you are taking some payments in the form of original coins, and that my sample size in the above figures was small.

[Wipeout2097]

Quick question: does networking influence the profits? I ultimately can choose between 3 network devices, better ones cost more or bring extra hassle: wired, crap wireless, good wireless. I currently have the rig mining in the attic with the slow wireless (4 mbit, ping 25 to a nearby speedtest host)

I've read that it usually doesn't matter for the average pool, but it does on p2pool. In this pool that switches coins that have very different parameters, does it matter?

[AbiTxGroup]

Thats showing a deposit (Credit) of 40.57 DGC to your account for coins mined, then you were sent (Debit via Automatic Threshold Payout (ATP))  40.47,  5 minutes later.

Also keep in mind, your numbers may vary if you are taking some payments in the form of original coins, and that my sample size in the above figures was small.

Thanks for the fast response.

I ran all of the wallets around 7am CST this morning and did not have anything coming into the DGC wallet.  After I made the above post, which I then modded as I remembered that I had some coins that were not in my BTC total.

I then decided to try the DGC wallet again and the coins came in.  The transaction was sent just over 3 hours ago according to the block explorer.

For others reading my post(s) here.  I am not complaining just reporting what I am seeing.  I have mined on nearmiss pools in the past and he has always been quick to explain or correct info to my posts.  Other than solo mining, I always end up on a nearmiss pool.  I like the way he handles things.

Thanks for the pools and assistance nearmiss.

[AbiTxGroup]

Quick question: does networking influence the profits? I ultimately can choose between 3 network devices, better ones cost more or bring extra hassle: wired, crap wireless, good wireless. I currently have the rig mining in the attic with the slow wireless (4 mbit, ping 25 to a nearby speedtest host)

I've read that it usually doesn't matter for the average pool, but it does on p2pool. In this pool that switches coins that have very different parameters, does it matter?

I've been mining using a Clearwire wireless 3G/4G connection and have done just fine with just over 3MH/s scrypt and 10GH/s ASIC while running a couple of laptops and watching internet TV.  The actual mining traffic is minimal so you should be fine.

[Thirtybird]

I've got what I think is a simple suggestion for the stats page.  Next to "My Est. Earnings" add a column for "this rate over 24hrs" or something along those lines where the time that round took is divided into the amount of time in a 24 hr period and multiplied by the Estimated Earnings column.  This gives a normalized view of each round that is easy to compare against previous rounds and other coins.  (Plus it will save me from having to do that on my side when a round completes )

Example:

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Round #	Coin	Length		M.B.	M.C.	I.B.	I.C.	C.P.O.	C.A.T.	My Est. Earnings 24hrs@rate
693	GLD	00:25:16	0	0	53	2385.6	0	0	0.000265 BTC	.01510 BTC
691	GDC	00:09:37	1	1000	25	25000	39.44	960.56	0.000036 BTC	.00539 BTC
690	CGB	00:09:53	0	0	4	10	0	0	0.000071 BTC	.01034 BTC
687	WDC	00:40:14	59	3702.07	0	0	96.15	3605.92	0.00035 BTC	.01252 BTC

easy to see how each of those rounds compare even though they are different intervals of time - also, if you are storing what the Profitability number and difficulty were at the start of each round, this can give you additional data into what those numbers translate into for further tweaking of your handicap system.

[Sparhawk76]

I've got what I think is a simple suggestion for the stats page.  Next to "My Est. Earnings" add a column for "this rate over 24hrs" or something along those lines where the time that round took is divided into the amount of time in a 24 hr period and multiplied by the Estimated Earnings column.  This gives a normalized view of each round that is easy to compare against previous rounds and other coins.  (Plus it will save me from having to do that on my side when a round completes )

Example:

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Round #	Coin	Length		M.B.	M.C.	I.B.	I.C.	C.P.O.	C.A.T.	My Est. Earnings 24hrs@rate
693	GLD	00:25:16	0	0	53	2385.6	0	0	0.000265 BTC	.01510 BTC
691	GDC	00:09:37	1	1000	25	25000	39.44	960.56	0.000036 BTC	.00539 BTC
690	CGB	00:09:53	0	0	4	10	0	0	0.000071 BTC	.01034 BTC
687	WDC	00:40:14	59	3702.07	0	0	96.15	3605.92	0.00035 BTC	.01252 BTC

easy to see how each of those rounds compare even though they are different intervals of time - also, if you are storing what the Profitability number and difficulty were at the start of each round, this can give you additional data into what those numbers translate into for further tweaking of your handicap system.

I like this idea ... but instead of per day I would do it per hour. Also I would suggest changing the stats page to show 100 rounds instead of the current 30, or have an option to go back further in the stats. As it is, it seems there are some rounds that don't mature by the time they go off the stats page.

On another note ...  eeked another 55 KH/s out of my 7850 ... now running at about 405 KH/s, 445 KH/s with my cpu mining thrown in (stock clocked fx6300, debating overclocking it to get a bit more hashes out of it. Excited to see what my day's payout will be.

[Wipeout2097]

On another note ...  eeked another 55 KH/s out of my 7850 ... now running at about 405 KH/s, 445 KH/s with my cpu mining thrown in (stock clocked fx6300, debating overclocking it to get a bit more hashes out of it. Excited to see what my day's payout will be.

This is clearly offtopic(sorry OP), but would you be so kind to share the parameters you used? I can't manage to get above 380 out of my 7870 XT. What a bad purchase!

What saves me is the used 6950 I got for 80€. After the bios modded, it gives me solid 490 Kh/s

[Sparhawk76]

This is clearly offtopic(sorry OP), but would you be so kind to share the parameters you used? I can't manage to get above 380 out of my 7870 XT. What a bad purchase!

What saves me is the used 6950 I got for 80€. After the bios modded, it gives me solid 490 Kh/s

I don't mind helping another miner out .... my settings are:

-I 13 --worksize 256 --thread-concurrency 8000 --gpu-engine 1175 --gpu-memclock 1365 -g 2

With fan speed set to 80% I am running at 76 degrees, wish I could afford a better second GPU to throw in my box, geforce 9600gt doesn't cut it for mining,  on a plus note though, I can still play diablo 3 on my mining rig using the second card .  Hope this info helps,

Sparhawk

[swiftshoot]

After mining a bit, I found several issues:
- some coins do poorly than others.
- some coins produce 0.000001 BTC/sec while others only produce 0.00000033 BTC/sec
- does the algo take into account that we are mining the coin and adds it into the profitability calculation?  Cause it switches coins a lot.
- Some coins got high Orphans = lost production: Can this be reduced?

Copy and paste into a Spreadsheet to see it better

Code:

Round #	Coin	Length	Mature Blocks	Mature Coins	Immature Blocks	Immature Coins	Coins Paid Out	Coins for Auto-Trade	My Est. Earnings		BTC/Second
653	CGB	00:08:06	7	17.5	0	0	1.92	15.58	0.000485	BTC	0.00000100
667	DGC	01:24:16	208	4162.3	0	0	793.74	3368.56	0.004865	BTC	0.00000096
673	WDC	00:23:51	35	2195.52	17	1066.35	62.38	2133.15	0.00102	BTC	0.00000071
662	CGB	00:08:09	6	15	0	0	1.84	13.16	0.000346	BTC	0.00000071
668	CGB	00:11:56	0	0	8	20	0	0	0.000491	BTC	0.00000069
646	CGB	00:15:53	10	25	0	0	2.75	22.25	0.000639	BTC	0.00000067
652	GLD	00:07:57	18	810	0	0	82.38	727.62	0.000295	BTC	0.00000062
663	WDC	00:07:55	13	815.74	0	0	21.86	793.89	0.000262	BTC	0.00000055
657	WDC	00:28:01	53	3324.7	0	0	59.59	3265.11	0.000866	BTC	0.00000052
670	MEC	00:16:14	0	0	11	825	0	0	0.000491	BTC	0.00000050
671	GLD	00:20:02	0	0	46	2070.5	0	0	0.000577	BTC	0.00000048
645	CAP	00:08:02	22	220	0	0	22.87	197.13	0.000214	BTC	0.00000044
647	MEC	00:12:03	7	525	0	0	52.08	472.92	0.000292	BTC	0.00000040
658	ALF	00:08:01	44	2200.2	33	1650.5	217.51	1982.69	0.000193	BTC	0.00000040
665	MEC	00:32:02	0	0	18	1350.01	0	0	0.000763	BTC	0.00000040
656	CAP	00:07:53	16	160	2	20	16.89	143.11	0.000176	BTC	0.00000037
655	MNC	00:08:05	35	70	0	0	6.13	63.87	0.00018	BTC	0.00000037
650	GLD	00:12:02	17	765	0	0	84.43	680.57	0.000253	BTC	0.00000035
648	GLD	00:20:05	26	1170.7	0	0	127.61	1043.09	0.000399	BTC	0.00000033
669	PHS	00:07:50	5	320	3	256	30.49	289.51	0.000154	BTC	0.00000033

Some suggestions to add to the site:

- Show Difficulty rate, Reject rate % and Coin Exchange rate per round to understand why we got lower coin.
- if not factored in, modify algo to exclude our hash rate for current coin profitability rate.
- Extend the rounds to at least 10-15 minutes, the 8 minute rounds makes us lose about 1-1.5 minutes/round and in 60 minutes it can add up to 10.5 minutes of downtime/hour vs only up to 6 minutes/hour or 252 minutes/day vs 144 minutes/day.  Getting an extra 2 hours of hashing would be better.  if each round was 30 minutes, then we would only lose 72 minutes/day and gain 3 hours of hashing per day.
- Add some coins like COL, ADT, IFC (high coin amount/block)
- Add Block Finder reward (2-5%/block): It would be nice to reward those who actually find a block.  Keeps them happy and continue to mine here.
- Add a separate SHA256 Coin Multipool miner
- if not factored in, add 24-48 hours of coins/sec per coin type into profitability calculation.  This will deem which would be more profitable to mine at the time.
- As for removing coins,  only MNC is on my list.  I mine EMD, GDC and GLD so I would like them there too.

[Wipeout2097]

This is clearly offtopic(sorry OP), but would you be so kind to share the parameters you used? I can't manage to get above 380 out of my 7870 XT. What a bad purchase!

What saves me is the used 6950 I got for 80€. After the bios modded, it gives me solid 490 Kh/s

I don't mind helping another miner out .... my settings are:

-I 13 --worksize 256 --thread-concurrency 8000 --gpu-engine 1175 --gpu-memclock 1365 -g 2

With fan speed set to 80% I am running at 76 degrees, wish I could afford a better second GPU to throw in my box, geforce 9600gt doesn't cut it for mining,  on a plus note though, I can still play diablo 3 on my mining rig using the second card .  Hope this info helps,

Sparhawk

Thanks man. It's futile though, 350 Kh and HW errors. It's time to sell this card to a gamer

[aTriz]

After mining a bit, I found several issues:
- some coins do poorly than others.
- some coins produce 0.000001 BTC/sec while others only produce 0.00000033 BTC/sec
- does the algo take into account that we are mining the coin and adds it into the profitability calculation?  Cause it switches coins a lot.
- Some coins got high Orphans = lost production: Can this be reduced?

Copy and paste into a Spreadsheet to see it better

Code:

Round #	Coin	Length	Mature Blocks	Mature Coins	Immature Blocks	Immature Coins	Coins Paid Out	Coins for Auto-Trade	My Est. Earnings		BTC/Second
653	CGB	00:08:06	7	17.5	0	0	1.92	15.58	0.000485	BTC	0.00000100
667	DGC	01:24:16	208	4162.3	0	0	793.74	3368.56	0.004865	BTC	0.00000096
673	WDC	00:23:51	35	2195.52	17	1066.35	62.38	2133.15	0.00102	BTC	0.00000071
662	CGB	00:08:09	6	15	0	0	1.84	13.16	0.000346	BTC	0.00000071
668	CGB	00:11:56	0	0	8	20	0	0	0.000491	BTC	0.00000069
646	CGB	00:15:53	10	25	0	0	2.75	22.25	0.000639	BTC	0.00000067
652	GLD	00:07:57	18	810	0	0	82.38	727.62	0.000295	BTC	0.00000062
663	WDC	00:07:55	13	815.74	0	0	21.86	793.89	0.000262	BTC	0.00000055
657	WDC	00:28:01	53	3324.7	0	0	59.59	3265.11	0.000866	BTC	0.00000052
670	MEC	00:16:14	0	0	11	825	0	0	0.000491	BTC	0.00000050
671	GLD	00:20:02	0	0	46	2070.5	0	0	0.000577	BTC	0.00000048
645	CAP	00:08:02	22	220	0	0	22.87	197.13	0.000214	BTC	0.00000044
647	MEC	00:12:03	7	525	0	0	52.08	472.92	0.000292	BTC	0.00000040
658	ALF	00:08:01	44	2200.2	33	1650.5	217.51	1982.69	0.000193	BTC	0.00000040
665	MEC	00:32:02	0	0	18	1350.01	0	0	0.000763	BTC	0.00000040
656	CAP	00:07:53	16	160	2	20	16.89	143.11	0.000176	BTC	0.00000037
655	MNC	00:08:05	35	70	0	0	6.13	63.87	0.00018	BTC	0.00000037
650	GLD	00:12:02	17	765	0	0	84.43	680.57	0.000253	BTC	0.00000035
648	GLD	00:20:05	26	1170.7	0	0	127.61	1043.09	0.000399	BTC	0.00000033
669	PHS	00:07:50	5	320	3	256	30.49	289.51	0.000154	BTC	0.00000033

Some suggestions to add to the site:

- Show Difficulty rate, Reject rate % and Coin Exchange rate per round to understand why we got lower coin.
- if not factored in, modify algo to exclude our hash rate for current coin profitability rate.
- Extend the rounds to at least 10-15 minutes, the 8 minute rounds makes us lose about 1-1.5 minutes/round and in 60 minutes it can add up to 10.5 minutes of downtime/hour vs only up to 6 minutes/hour or 252 minutes/day vs 144 minutes/day.  Getting an extra 2 hours of hashing would be better.  if each round was 30 minutes, then we would only lose 72 minutes/day and gain 3 hours of hashing per day.
- Add some coins like COL, ADT, IFC (high coin amount/block)
- Add Block Finder reward (2-5%/block): It would be nice to reward those who actually find a block.  Keeps them happy and continue to mine here.
- Add a separate SHA256 Coin Multipool miner
- if not factored in, add 24-48 hours of coins/sec per coin type into profitability calculation.  This will deem which would be more profitable to mine at the time.
- As for removing coins,  only MNC is on my list.  I mine EMD, GDC and GLD so I would like them there too.

Great post with lots of good ideas and info. will look into it!

[willittobe]

Another idea: on the coin balances tab, how about a check box for "Automatically cash out daily BTC earnings"

[aTriz]

Another idea: on the coin balances tab, how about a check box for "Automatically cash out daily BTC earnings"

You could just set a threshold of 0.001 on your BTC settings