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November 08, 2013, 05:55:11 AM
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1. What marketing/incentivisation are you planning to ensure a plentiful userbase?
I appreciate you are still in the development stage atm, but do you have any solid plans about this yet that would give potential investors confidence?

I am planning to have some cool features implemented by the end of November.  Everyone who gives them a try will definitely become an Nxt addict.  Sounds like a solid plan, doesn't it?


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2. Is the domain name registration really any different to Namecoin? And is having a competing system really a good idea?
Your sole grievance with NMC appears to be that it is not AUTOMATICALLY browser-integrated. But your solution seems to amount to no more than installing some sort of browser plug-in alongside the client - I fail to see how this is not (trivially) possible with Namecoin? Anyone could just make an installer package that includes a .bit DNS resolver plug-in as well as namecoind/Namecoin-QT client.

It is arguable if Nxt DNS is really different to Namecoin.  But Nxt has one big advantage -- it will work from the box.  While Namecoin developers are talking/planning/dreaming I write the code.  I don't think Namecoin is a competitor, once Nxt DNS is launched NMC will become just an altcoin.


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Also, your "no transfer" of domain names between addresses probably wouldn't work in practice, because people would simply sell the private keys for the addresses themselves.

How will you make sure the dude will not sell the private keys to someone else nor he use them for phishing?


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3. Will the file storage only be for "official" files (like the client), or will anyone be able to upload files?
I like the notion of storing the client on the blockchain - although this of course will only be the official client, and will not include any third-party clients. Also, if file storage ON THE BLOCKCHAIN is available to everyone, even if it is expensive, then the potential for blockchain bloat is enormous (also it will preclude the possibility of implementing some sort of mini-blockchain system). There is possibly an alternative - an idea I came up with a few days ago, though only managed to work out a couple of features (it may yet be impossible). (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=326808.0). The basic idea is that peers contribute storage space (measured in gibibytehours) and are rewarded for it in coins (could be a "coloured" altcoin on the NXT chain) which they can then either use to pay for file storage or can sell via exchanges to other users who want to buy storage. How the reward system should work, or the paying-for-storage, I have yet to devise; but I have already found a way to link uploaded files to coin addresses. I should warn you though, that idea is very rough (and possibly impossible) to implement.

File storage will work for any files.  There is no difference what bloats the blockchain -- payment transactions or files.  It is okay while fees are paid.  Annual shrinking will get rid of all files so they must be uploaded again.  At the moment the blockchain is limited to 16 GiB per year, not a big deal to download 8 GiB in average.


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4. What protocol improvements (over bitcoin) are you considering implementing?
You've already mentioned faster transaction times, PoS over PoW, and some new types of contracts; I think you also mentioned somewhere about coloured coins (or equivalent). But what about things like "mini-blockchain" (or one of the equivalent proposals like CoinWitness)? (Though in fairness that is perhaps best done on a client-level: users decide how much of the blockchain they want to validate and store locally, and the rest they get from their peers). What about "ZeroCoin" (although the current proposal is quite impractical due to validation times etc.)? What about "micro-payment channels"?

At the lowest level it is Messaging (includes contracts, file storage, DNS), Colored Coins, Voting System, Reputation System.  At higher (user-friendly) level it is Library, Shops (like decentralized app store), Asset Exchange, etc.  Extra functionality can be added via yet-to-be-nailed Service Providing based on subscription paid with NXT.  Mini-blockchains perfectly fit into Service Providing, by the way, big files can be stored with SP as well.

We could make namecoin work out of the box for browsing bit domains, and soon will do.. if the namecoin destroying feature is working "out of the box", i don't think this will be good enough.
but if you think you can get nxt to work flawlessly and without security issues, or years of scrutiny/bug fixing (ready for release) then well played. i look forward to seeing how it turns out Wink

What you need to remember is that the namecoin community (devs)  are not in it to make a quick "buck"..
they are in it for a better world.. they are doing it for you, with virtually no donations or paid work..
You are not doing it a good service by those sort of comments.. are you saying we should give up now?

If you are in it for the community and not self gain you probably wouldn't say something like that IMO.. this sort of comment makes me think that Nxt is not an honest project (maybe this is just my own intuition)


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November 08, 2013, 06:25:03 AM
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Listen he is really excited about what he is doing and wants it to succeed. You think this guy is in it mostly for the money?
That's ridiculous. The people who are in it for the money allocate 90% of their time to PR and 10% of their time to development.
The fact that PR is not so effective here strongly suggests that money is not the main objective.
(Go look at bitshares or [to a much lesser extent] mastercoin for a comparison)

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November 08, 2013, 06:29:34 AM
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You are not doing it a good service by those sort of comments.. are you saying we should give up now?

Give up or do some coding.


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If you are in it for the community and not self gain you probably wouldn't say something like that IMO

You are wrong.


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this sort of comment makes me think that Nxt is not an honest project (maybe this is just my own intuition)

Depends on the point of view.  If you prefer to live in a world regulated by the government then this project is the most dishonest thing you have ever seen.
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November 08, 2013, 06:46:01 AM
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Listen he is really excited about what he is doing and wants it to succeed. You think this guy is in it mostly for the money?
That's ridiculous. The people who are in it for the money allocate 90% of their time to PR and 10% of their time to development.
The fact that PR is not so effective here strongly suggests that money is not the main objective.
(Go look at bitshares or [to a much lesser extent] mastercoin for a comparison)

come on mate.. unless you are actually his "vet" account, you can't really say that this is going to be better than bitshares Cheesy (and i've read your bitshares ponzi threads)

Bitshares is at least professional/quality and bytemaster doesn't have a bad attitude

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November 08, 2013, 06:48:23 AM
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Listen he is really excited about what he is doing and wants it to succeed. You think this guy is in it mostly for the money?
That's ridiculous. The people who are in it for the money allocate 90% of their time to PR and 10% of their time to development.
The fact that PR is not so effective here strongly suggests that money is not the main objective.
(Go look at bitshares or [to a much lesser extent] mastercoin for a comparison)

come on mate.. unless you are actually his "vet" account, you can't really say that this is going to be better than bitshares Cheesy (and i've read your bitshares ponzi threads)

Bitshares is at least professional/quality and bytemaster doesn't have a bad attitude
I've stated my opinion clearly on both issues. You don't have to agree with me. Further discussion is moot.

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November 08, 2013, 06:48:54 AM
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gotta side with snailbrain here....I was intrigued at first by NxT, but some of the posts BCNext has made just don't seem right.

Plus this is a brand new project, built on new code, with these "advanced" features, and launch is Jan....no extensive beta testing or any stuff in place to ensure commercial grade quality.

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November 08, 2013, 06:51:35 AM
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gotta side with snailbrain here....I was intrigued at first by NxT, but some of the posts BCNext has made just don't seem right.

Plus this is a brand new project, built on new code, with these "advanced" features, and launch is Jan....no extensive beta testing or any stuff in place to ensure commercial grade quality.
Again, this is a PR fail. It is reminiscent of the Sunny King approach. He is the only person who has released an innovative altcoin. He wasn't any more skilled at hyping it than BTCnxt. If anything much worse.

I have tested his brain and found that it functions pretty well. I am not an expert on coding, but I can differentiate smart and stupid people. My bet is that this will indeed turn out to be quite innovative.

the people who produce commercial grade quality != the people who are innovative

the process works like this:
1) person makes something innovative which is buggy and user unfriendly.
2) person who is more focused on process effeciency turns it into commercial grade quality.

My opinion is that (1) and (2) are rarely the same person. They require different skillsets.

case in point
1) Satoshi
2) Sunny King

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November 08, 2013, 06:55:07 AM
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How does PR constitute an unknown quality of client through lack of extensive testing?

I'm a damn good coder, I'll hazard I can dance with the best of the best and I've worked on super cutting edge stuff in the past....but...I've overseen and spent a year now developing eMunie, and so far it's been through 6 months of HEAVY testing.

I won't launch it until I am CERTAIN 100% that it is reliable, thats got nothing to do with PR, that my obligation to people that will invest wealth into something I created, and if there is even the slightest problem I missed through skimping on testing to destruction...those people that had faith lose money.

PR doesn't even come into it

Edit: And saying that people who test to commercial grade are not innovative...check out eMunie....nothing in here comes even close to it.

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November 08, 2013, 07:02:41 AM
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Guys, could we focus on pure math instead of personal opinions?

This forum is full of haters, I see this.  Do not expect me to answer politely to all these veiled troll questions and imhos.
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November 08, 2013, 07:05:27 AM
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I'm not hating, I'm just pointing out that you have a lack of testing policy and people are going to entrust you with their wealth.

I think its a perfectly valid question about testing in all honesty

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November 08, 2013, 07:10:56 AM
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Okay, what way should we test Nxt?  I can even reveal the source code before the release if most of the investors agree to this.
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November 08, 2013, 07:16:49 AM
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Well surely that is for you to determine the right use-cases and worst-case scenarios to test for, not for me to tell you, your code works different to eMunie, so different test cases are needed.

Simply, you want to test it to destruction!!  You want to MAKE it break, WAAAAAAY above any load that it will ever receive, then you fix that weak spot and test it to destruction again...keep doing that until either it doesn't break, OR the breaking point is so far outside of normal use it's irrelevant.

For example, for one entire week with eMunie, we generated 70k transactions per day, on a 10 node network....it took it all, just about.  This was after many iterations of the same test, pushing the failure point out further and further.

That will NEVER happen in real world scenarios where 10 machines are creating 70k transactions per day even at VISA scale levels (I know you don't like VISA scale references but you gotta think about it).

Other things, connectivity issues you cant control, so, pull the plug at a crucial moment and make sure that it continues with no errors, any DB's you use kill the drive halfway through a write and make sure it recovers etc etc

You're a software engineer right?  You should know this stuff!

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November 08, 2013, 07:26:12 AM
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I do know how to test software.  Right now 3 blockchains are being generated by 3 different computers with intensive transaction flow.  Sometimes I switch the network on and watch blockchain re-organization (longest chain wins).

At the beginning of December we will start the final test when new features is not be added and I have 3 weeks to fix found bugs.
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November 08, 2013, 07:29:09 AM
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Well, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but with all the features you've announced, with a 3 months development time INCLUDING testing and bug fixes...well, I think you'll find you wont have enough time and there will be some real nasties down the road with lots of grumpy investors.

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November 08, 2013, 07:32:45 AM
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All the features?  Smiley  They require a little coding.  Nxt core is completed, adding new features on top of it is very fast and easy.

The only thing that slows me down is the client.  I have to cooperate with the client developer.
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November 08, 2013, 07:34:58 AM
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Thats just coming across as arrogant.

So a REAL P2P exchange, that many many smart people have been looking at yet not done, is trivial in your opinion?

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November 08, 2013, 07:43:57 AM
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Let me show this using Nxt DNS as an example.

What I have to do to add Nxt DNS

1]  Add a new subtype of messages -- SUBTYPE_MESSAGING_DOMAIN
2]  Add code for processing "resolveAlias" request -- ~30 lines of code

That's it.  Now an Nxt node processes transactions that set domain aliases and requests from JavaScript that asks for real address.
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November 08, 2013, 07:45:47 AM
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What about management, entry clashes, expiry, abuse handling, spoofing and all that kinda thing?

I wish you the best of luck I really do, but I just see a whole load of pitfalls ahead that you don't seem to realise are right there.

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November 08, 2013, 07:46:34 AM
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So a REAL P2P exchange, that many many smart people have been looking at yet not done, is trivial in your opinion?

REAL P2P exchange from the scratches would take a lot of resources.  The same on the already implemented code required 2 days of coding.
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November 08, 2013, 07:48:16 AM
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What about management, entry clashes, expiry, abuse handling, spoofing and all that kinda thing?

Ah, I see your point now.  Nxt lets to trade assets represented by colored coins for NXT in atomic transactions.  All the rest is up to asset issuers.
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