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August 02, 2012, 10:32:19 AM
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(yes that minus is really weird :-) ) I am quite sure I have a positive hashrate :-)

It's not "minus" "-" , it's "approx" "~".
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August 02, 2012, 10:34:21 AM
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It's not "minus" "-" , it's "approx" "~".
Well, at least that one has been cleared! Thx
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Hi,

Can someone point out why the lifetime earned amount is less than the amount it should be according to the PPS multiplied by the amount of shares.
I'm looking into it.


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August 02, 2012, 07:27:22 PM
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Dear miners,

Today is an important day for your favorite little pool.. It’s exactly one year since ABCPool was first introduced to the world!

I remember our first users; it was pretty exciting. We’d say to each other: ‘Wow, this guy has 3GH/s, all by himself!’; and ‘hey, there’s another user, now we’ve already got 3 people hashing  at the same time!’. It seemed crazy: We only had a small mining rig ourselves, and there they were, all these people coming in, collectively bringing their gigahashes to the table..

That was then. Now, hundreds of people are connecting to ABCPool every day, and together we represent a significant piece of the hashrate-pie. ABCPool has grown tremendously over the past year, but the premise is the same as a year ago: steady earnings, day in day out.

To keep up with you guys, there have been countless improvements to the site, as many performance optimizations to the backend code, and we’ve scaled up our systems several times. Never a dull moment!

We’d like to use this opportunity to thank *you*, our loyal members, for your continued allegiance and trust in our little pool. Without you, ABCPool would be a hollow shell. And it wasn’t all fun and games: You’ve  stuck by us through some pretty rough times. We/you were stolen from three times and we’ve even had a botnet bring us down for a few days. But we struggled and the pool came out alright in the end!

By the way, we’ve got some pretty exciting stuff in the development pipeline right now. Stick around and when the time is right we’ll show you!

Thanks & Happy hashing,
Your pool ops as always,

MC & Chlorine

PS: Right now we’re working on MykelSilver’s problem; a  thorough examination of statistics scripts is underway. While account balance is calculated directly from incoming shares, share-count numbers are tossed around several times before appearing in your stats. We’re writing alternative (redundant) means of calculation for everything now, which will most likely flush out the problem.


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August 02, 2012, 07:43:25 PM
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First I want to congratulate you with your one year anniversary!

Second I appreciate it very much you are looking into the details of the issue.

I have also done some calculations I see that the differences become smaller as the total amount of submitted shares grows.
Please let me show you what I mean:



Hope this helps to find out was has been gone wrong if wrong at all.

Thank you & wish you a long and happy continuation of ABCPool!
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August 02, 2012, 11:16:54 PM
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First I want to congratulate you with your one year anniversary!

Second I appreciate it very much you are looking into the details of the issue.

I have also done some calculations I see that the differences become smaller as the total amount of submitted shares grows.
Please let me show you what I mean:



Hope this helps to find out was has been gone wrong if wrong at all.

Thank you & wish you a long and happy continuation of ABCPool!

That's a helpful table right there Smiley I was keeping a similar table myself, coming to the same conclusions: the difference has now stopped growing.

First: The issue is solved. Rest assured, balances have always displayed the right amount of earnings. The inaccurate share count built up until now remains though, because the over-counted shares remain in our historical records. It would be too time-consuming to correct these. From now on the reported number of shares will grow in the same pace as balances again.

The issue is something that has been affecting the share count of all miners for a while now as it turns out. Thanks to your attentiveness (and let's not forget, a long code review sesion by Chlorine and me!) share accrual is now finally accurate again. It was most likely over-counting between 0.5-2.0%, judging from a DB analysis.

As mentioned before, balance accrual is done directly from the submitted shares. Stats calculation on the other hand, is a separate multi-stage process where the shares get tossed around and massaged into various useful bits of information. These help us manage the pool, and help you manage your miners.

[i had typed up a detailed report here, but it has some technical details that may be helpful to attackers, so I've yanked it. The gist is: one of the stats-stages had a subtle bug which became an issue once the pool grew.]

So, thanks again Mykel, now I hope you may finally start to enjoy the pool for a bit!

MC


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August 03, 2012, 07:34:33 AM
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MintCondition,

first of all, congratulations for your first anniversary.

Then I have to say that lately I'm seeing more and more of these

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[2012-08-03 09:21:18] Accepted 151bbca7.e03b8853 ICA 0 pool 0
 [2012-08-03 09:21:18] Accepted 77c80f4e.789489f9 ICA 4 pool 0
 [2012-08-03 09:21:18] Accepted 0affeedb.47d6e1ed ICA 16 pool 0
 [2012-08-03 09:21:19] Accepted b9d3778a.de518170 ICA 15 pool 0
 [2012-08-03 09:21:19] Accepted 867f37b2.2ef8e15d ICA 16 pool 0
 [2012-08-03 09:21:20] Accepted 9b780265.2421e77a ICA 0 pool 0
 [2012-08-03 09:21:20] New block detected on network before longpoll
 [2012-08-03 09:21:20] Pool 0 not providing work fast enough
 [2012-08-03 09:21:21] Accepted d60bd0d2.f2444b84 ICA 9 pool 0
 [2012-08-03 09:21:21] Accepted fbbcb6ab.a2f9111b ICA 4 pool 0
 [2012-08-03 09:21:21] Accepted 9aae2ff6.91442e32 ICA 2 pool 0
 [2012-08-03 09:21:25] LONGPOLL from pool 0 requested work restart
 [2012-08-03 09:21:25] Pool 0 not providing work fast enough
 [2012-08-03 09:21:27] Pool 0 not providing work fast enough
 [2012-08-03 09:21:33] Pool 0 not providing work fast enough
 [2012-08-03 09:21:33] Pool 0 not providing work fast enough
 [2012-08-03 09:21:34] Pool 0 not providing work fast enough
 [2012-08-03 09:21:44] Pool 0 not providing work fast enough
 [2012-08-03 09:21:44] Pool 0 not providing work fast enough
 [2012-08-03 09:21:46] Pool 0 not providing work fast enough

As you can see 20 seconds after the longpoll my miner was still waiting for an answer.

I've seen it waiting even longer in several occasions.

This is a 6 GH/s miner.

I do understand that giving work to a couple thousand workers after a long poll is not an easy task so I'm just reporting this to you to let you know about this issue.

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August 03, 2012, 10:20:29 AM
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MintCondition,

first of all, congratulations for your first anniversary.

Then I have to say that lately I'm seeing more and more of these

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[2012-08-03 09:21:18] Accepted 151bbca7.e03b8853 ICA 0 pool 0
 [2012-08-03 09:21:18] Accepted 77c80f4e.789489f9 ICA 4 pool 0
 [2012-08-03 09:21:18] Accepted 0affeedb.47d6e1ed ICA 16 pool 0
 [2012-08-03 09:21:19] Accepted b9d3778a.de518170 ICA 15 pool 0
 [2012-08-03 09:21:19] Accepted 867f37b2.2ef8e15d ICA 16 pool 0
 [2012-08-03 09:21:20] Accepted 9b780265.2421e77a ICA 0 pool 0
 [2012-08-03 09:21:20] New block detected on network before longpoll
 [2012-08-03 09:21:20] Pool 0 not providing work fast enough
 [2012-08-03 09:21:21] Accepted d60bd0d2.f2444b84 ICA 9 pool 0
 [2012-08-03 09:21:21] Accepted fbbcb6ab.a2f9111b ICA 4 pool 0
 [2012-08-03 09:21:21] Accepted 9aae2ff6.91442e32 ICA 2 pool 0
 [2012-08-03 09:21:25] LONGPOLL from pool 0 requested work restart
 [2012-08-03 09:21:25] Pool 0 not providing work fast enough
 [2012-08-03 09:21:27] Pool 0 not providing work fast enough
 [2012-08-03 09:21:33] Pool 0 not providing work fast enough
 [2012-08-03 09:21:33] Pool 0 not providing work fast enough
 [2012-08-03 09:21:34] Pool 0 not providing work fast enough
 [2012-08-03 09:21:44] Pool 0 not providing work fast enough
 [2012-08-03 09:21:44] Pool 0 not providing work fast enough
 [2012-08-03 09:21:46] Pool 0 not providing work fast enough

As you can see 20 seconds after the longpoll my miner was still waiting for an answer.

I've seen it waiting even longer in several occasions.

This is a 6 GH/s miner.

I do understand that giving work to a couple thousand workers after a long poll is not an easy task so I'm just reporting this to you to let you know about this issue.

spiccioli

Thanks for your report spccioli. We're well aware of the issue. Keeping everyone continuously provided with work is our main development priority right now. You're completely correct in that it's not an easy task; First there's the load spike of all longpollers that need to be triggered, and immediately after that all miners will start refilling their internal queue by asking for even more work. Due to our nature as a pool of pools, we're generally among the first to hear about a new block. But that also means that we cannot reasonably keep dealing out saved-up work we know will only produce orphaned blocks; it would be a shameful waste of computing resources. There's still a couple of tricks in our bag that will improve response times after a block find though, and we're implementing those now.

MC


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August 03, 2012, 08:00:32 PM
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We’re proud to introduce ABCPool.co to you, the highest paying Pay-per-Share (PPS) pool, making miners happy since 2011-08-02.

This is untrue, isn't MtRed the highest paying PPS pool?
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We’re proud to introduce ABCPool.co to you, the highest paying Pay-per-Share (PPS) pool, making miners happy since 2011-08-02.

This is untrue, isn't MtRed the highest paying PPS pool?

Mtred is the highest at 100% PPS conventionally but other than that Bonuspool is the highest PPS. Tongue

...In the land of the stale, the man with one share is king... >> Clipse

We pay miners at 130% PPS | Signup here : Bonus PPS Pool (Please read OP to understand the current process)
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We’re proud to introduce ABCPool.co to you, the highest paying Pay-per-Share (PPS) pool, making miners happy since 2011-08-02.

This is untrue, isn't MtRed the highest paying PPS pool?

Mtred is the highest at 100% PPS conventionally but other than that Bonuspool is the highest PPS. Tongue
Actually, projectX is paying slightly more currently  Wink
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We’re proud to introduce ABCPool.co to you, the highest paying Pay-per-Share (PPS) pool, making miners happy since 2011-08-02.

This is untrue, isn't MtRed the highest paying PPS pool?

Mtred is the highest at 100% PPS conventionally but other than that Bonuspool is the highest PPS. Tongue

Well if you want to add hopping proxys to this then Project X pays out about 110-115%+ usually. Wink
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August 08, 2012, 02:50:21 PM
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We’re proud to introduce ABCPool.co to you, the highest paying Pay-per-Share (PPS) pool, making miners happy since 2011-08-02.

This is untrue, isn't MtRed the highest paying PPS pool?

Is ABCPool online? I've tried to get to Mt.Red's admin on irc, but he's not available  Huh I'm trying to find the best PPS pool atm.

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August 08, 2012, 02:54:27 PM
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We’re proud to introduce ABCPool.co to you, the highest paying Pay-per-Share (PPS) pool, making miners happy since 2011-08-02.

This is untrue, isn't MtRed the highest paying PPS pool?

Is ABCPool online? I've tried to get to Mt.Red's admin on irc, but he's not available  Huh I'm trying to find the best PPS pool atm.
We'll be online all day for your hashing pleasure. And also the days, weeks and months after that into the foreseeable future Smiley

Anything specific we can help you with?


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August 08, 2012, 03:04:24 PM
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We’re proud to introduce ABCPool.co to you, the highest paying Pay-per-Share (PPS) pool, making miners happy since 2011-08-02.

This is untrue, isn't MtRed the highest paying PPS pool?

Is ABCPool online? I've tried to get to Mt.Red's admin on irc, but he's not available  Huh I'm trying to find the best PPS pool atm.
We'll be online all day for your hashing pleasure. And also the days, weeks and months after that into the foreseeable future Smiley

Anything specific we can help you with?
Good to hear that =) Maybe uptime % for the last month? I'll setup backup pools, but it'd be good to know what to expect from ABCPool

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August 08, 2012, 03:08:43 PM
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We’re proud to introduce ABCPool.co to you, the highest paying Pay-per-Share (PPS) pool, making miners happy since 2011-08-02.

This is untrue, isn't MtRed the highest paying PPS pool?

Is ABCPool online? I've tried to get to Mt.Red's admin on irc, but he's not available  Huh I'm trying to find the best PPS pool atm.
We'll be online all day for your hashing pleasure. And also the days, weeks and months after that into the foreseeable future Smiley

Anything specific we can help you with?
Good to hear that =) Maybe uptime % for the last month? I'll setup backup pools, but it'd be good to know what to expect from ABCPool
Since the beginning of july we've been offline for about 75 minutes, so that's >99.8% uptime.


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August 08, 2012, 04:08:58 PM
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We’re proud to introduce ABCPool.co to you, the highest paying Pay-per-Share (PPS) pool, making miners happy since 2011-08-02.

This is untrue, isn't MtRed the highest paying PPS pool?

Is ABCPool online? I've tried to get to Mt.Red's admin on irc, but he's not available  Huh I'm trying to find the best PPS pool atm.
We'll be online all day for your hashing pleasure. And also the days, weeks and months after that into the foreseeable future Smiley

Anything specific we can help you with?
Good to hear that =) Maybe uptime % for the last month? I'll setup backup pools, but it'd be good to know what to expect from ABCPool
Since the beginning of july we've been offline for about 75 minutes, so that's >99.8% uptime.
do you prohibit your address to be pinged? it doesn't respond (pool.abcpool.co)

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August 09, 2012, 04:06:16 AM
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We’re proud to introduce ABCPool.co to you, the highest paying Pay-per-Share (PPS) pool, making miners happy since 2011-08-02.

This is untrue, isn't MtRed the highest paying PPS pool?

Mtred is the highest at 100% PPS conventionally but other than that Bonuspool is the highest PPS. Tongue

Well if you want to add hopping proxys to this then Project X pays out about 110-115%+ usually. Wink

Please remember that ABC IS A PROXY. It is not a pool.

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August 09, 2012, 10:51:33 AM
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We’re proud to introduce ABCPool.co to you, the highest paying Pay-per-Share (PPS) pool, making miners happy since 2011-08-02.

This is untrue, isn't MtRed the highest paying PPS pool?

Mtred is the highest at 100% PPS conventionally but other than that Bonuspool is the highest PPS. Tongue

Well if you want to add hopping proxys to this then Project X pays out about 110-115%+ usually. Wink

Please remember that ABC IS A PROXY. It is not a pool.

what does that mean? utilizes other pools?

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August 09, 2012, 11:33:50 AM
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Please remember that ABC IS A PROXY. It is not a pool.

what does that mean? utilizes other pools?
Just as individual miners goes to a pool to limit their risk, ABCPool also employs other pools to limit risk. That way we can offer you our risk free PPS service for such a low fee.

If a block is found at any of the pools we direct your hashes to, we receive a small payout. Many small payouts even out to a more predictable payout pattern than the several big payouts we would have when purely running our own bitcoind for mining. We use these payouts to pay your fixed PPS rewards.

A word about the term 'proxy'. Technically we're not a proxy, as we don't act on your behalf; look it up in the dictionary. Since it's now common vocabulary/jargon in the mining business, for now we'll stick with being described as a proxy. The first mining proxies were actually proxies in the dictionary-sense of the word, passing through both work and earnings directly, some running on your own computer, and some on a server. That also means that risk was passed on 1:1. When pools like ours emerged people also started calling them proxies, though we in fact establish a seperate and very different contract with our miners for a fixed PPS fee, thus transforming the risk of mining at DGM, Prop, Score, etc. pools to the risk free reward model of PPS.


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