NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information

[TwinWinNerD]

Who the f*** is panda.nxtbase.com and why does he broadcast blocks every hour or so that get "Failed to accept block XXXXX"

Can't blacklist this shitty node.

This is going on for days..

You can now blacklist in nxt.properties:

# Known bad peers to be blacklisted
nxt.knownBlacklistedPeers=

Thank you, will try!

[opticalcarrier]

Good thinking. But Is there a way to cheat this with a modified client? How does the network punish/prevent someone from modifying the code to allow their instance to pool as much as they want

I believe the network should easily be able to validate what hes describing such that these types of shenanigans are impossible.  But I dont understand the need/logic of limiting total forging power.  What is the goal behind that?

[Fatih87SK]

We will have one soon!

I hope so and thanks!!  

Re: NXT for Dummies

Ok Pinarello, 'we will have one soon'. Good. So, when I tell new investors to go to nxtcrypto.org and download the client, will this be it?

At the moment it's NRS 0.8.3, which got updated again 5 minutes ago.   This is where we are stumbling. New investors will NOT put up with this?

NRS is not for newbies and this should be taken off the main site as soon as we have a working client. And people will post that we do have working clients but there is always something that puts people off like updates.

Can you promise me that nxtcrypto.org will have a NXT Client for Dummies (99% humans) as soon as possible??

Every NXT website should post the same client. With a link next to it with all other clients if the user is looking for more.

[opticalcarrier]

More I think about Pooled Forging, more I don't like it. Does anyone have any ideas where this could lead to?

I think it makes exactly ZERO sense, for such a currency.
Totally clueless about why do people want it.

Maybe, it's best to defer the release of this functionality until somebody can provide a VERY VERY good reason why we should need it AND many others agree.

heck, if only to allow for safe forging from a VPS with minimal risk to your account balance.

[Jean-Luc]

Any changes to nxt.properties comparing with 0.8.3?

Compared to 0.8.3? Several properties related to testnet were added in 0.8.4e, and also for the jetty DoSFilter. Compared to 0.8.5, only defined a few default testnet nodes.

OK, seems working. On my Android stick used nxt.properties from 0.8.3. Don't care much running public node about AE. You can test at http://217.17.88.5:7875/

But the idea is that you unpack the zip file and let the new conf/nxt-default.properties overwrite the previous conf/nxt-default.properties, which shouldn't be modified by you. Your custom settings go into nxt.properties, and this will not be overwritten as it is not in the zip package.

[verymuchso]

[5-3-2014] version 0.3.2e:

• Compiled against NXT 0.8.6

Lol, you're fast

You know what took the longest time? The upload to bitbucket. Your client looks really slick btw. I wish I could do that in SWT, we do have CSS styling in the client but that will never look as good as a web based client.

[mcjavar]

Just for the records: how do you want community to decide?

Voting. We have VS.

Ok. Where can I vote?

[pinarello]

We will have one soon!

I hope so and thanks!!  

Re: NXT for Dummies

Ok Pinarello, 'we will have one soon'. Good. So, when I tell new investors to go to nxtcrypto.org and download the client, will this be it?

At the moment it's NRS 0.8.3, which got updated again 5 minutes ago.   This is where we are stumbling. New investors will NOT put up with this?

NRS is not for newbies and this should be taken off the main site as soon as we have a working client. And people will post that we do have working clients but there is always something that puts people off like updates.

Can you promise me that nxtcrypto.org will have a NXT Client for Dummies (99% humans) as soon as possible??

That client will be Wesleysh client integrated in NRS java, mistafreeze will create the installer.

Wesley delivers the client to J-L tomorrow, dont know how long integration will take but I hope they can do it before friday coz J-L is leaving till sunday

in short when wesleys client is integrated mistafreeze one click installer installs all without any hustle.

THIS will be the standard NXT client

[salsacz]

http://www.coinffeine.com/ Coinffeine is an open source, peer-to-peer bitcoin exchange platform.

[Mistafreeze]

Windows Installer for Nxt 0.8.6 released.

https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,1902.0.html

If there is any interest I could throw together an installer with Wesley's interface set to testnet by default.

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Release 0.8.6

http://download.nxtcrypto.org/nxt-client-0.8.6.zip

sha256: ecdce17e2d1cd704fce3b7e40d458c1c8b80a1cf064eb8f4f5e7f6593166dba8


Change log:

Transaction re-broadcasting has been broken for a few releases,
should work again now.

Fixed the update of the NRS UI transaction confirmation count.

Check for unconfirmed transaction becoming invalid, and if so,
remove them from the unconfirmed transactions pool.

Added a few more well known testnet peers in default properties.

Converted run.bat to CRLF line endings format.

Asset exchange specific bugfixes:

Order cancellations should update unconfirmed balances only.

On block pop-off, asset balances should not be updated.

When a trade is executed at a price lower than the bid order,
correct the bidder unconfirmed balance for the difference.

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[ChuckOne]

Instead of pooled forging, can you port over multisig? That is much more important than pooled forging, since there are alternate solutions for that. Multisig is pretty fundamental.

Why do we need 2 ways to do a multisig?

Redundancy and time to market.

I dont like using AT for multisig because that will cost extra to execute the AT. it also has more moving parts and maybe even a delay for a block waiting for AT. There is room for a simpler built in multisig and a flexible AT based supersig

If the code is there, might as well use it

James

I somehow agree with James. I would like a hardcoded version of mutlisig. Please, do not ask my why.

Maybe, I see it like this:
1) AT = universal, can do everything, no control, slow, expensive
2) NXT core = restricted, functionality which needs fast execution, cheap, multisig seems like it should be 'build-in'

[wesleyh]

http://www.coinffeine.com/ Coinffeine is an open source, peer-to-peer bitcoin exchange platform.

I want this integrated in nxt..

[pinarello]

Windows Installer for Nxt 0.8.6 released.

https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,1902.0.html

If there is any interest I could throw together an installer with Wesley's interface set to testnet by default.

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Release 0.8.6

http://download.nxtcrypto.org/nxt-client-0.8.6.zip

sha256: ecdce17e2d1cd704fce3b7e40d458c1c8b80a1cf064eb8f4f5e7f6593166dba8


Change log:

Transaction re-broadcasting has been broken for a few releases,
should work again now.

Fixed the update of the NRS UI transaction confirmation count.

Check for unconfirmed transaction becoming invalid, and if so,
remove them from the unconfirmed transactions pool.

Added a few more well known testnet peers in default properties.

Converted run.bat to CRLF line endings format.

Asset exchange specific bugfixes:

Order cancellations should update unconfirmed balances only.

On block pop-off, asset balances should not be updated.

When a trade is executed at a price lower than the bid order,
correct the bidder unconfirmed balance for the difference.

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of course there is interest, lets do it.

[jl777]

I was looking forward to Pooled Forging for one very simple reason: To forge on a VPS without exposing the private key to my primary NXT account...

am I the only one who thinks forging on a VPS is a bad idea?

I completely agree with you.  I don't currently forge on a VPS and will not unless I can do so safely.

Did you read my proposal?  In example case would only put 10 NXT at risk, but forging on behalf of 185,010.

And, the 10 NXT probably not even necessary...

Maybe this is the ONLY use case for pooled forging. It is for letting people split their NXT into a bunch of accts to minimize any damage losing a single account would cause. Then then can create a forging acct even on some public shared server, but only risking 10 NXT.

Basically pooled forging would just be for personal use and not intended for different people to pool. Now, if the API for this had a destination acct for any fees earned, then the security of the 10 NXT forging acct is not that important. It could even be done on a webwallet acct. The restriction is that all destination accts have to be the same.

This way, nobody exposes their password on a VPS, but everybody can forge with 100% of their NXT all the time as long as the webwallet site enables forging for all the accts.

James

[ChuckOne]

Is anyone knowing what we paid for?

Yes. Refactoring, consulting, some extra functionality like API calls.

how do we know you actually delivered what BCNext has paid for is better formulated.

how do we know you did all what he asked?

Who will communicate with BCNext in April after CFB departs?

Uncertainty about the core dev team isn't instilling much confidence in investors and current holders. Investors will stay away until this confusion and uncertainty disappears.

Friends of mine have no idea which client to download so are keeping their NXT on exchanges. They won't do anything until there is a one click install that works. They ask me which one is the 'main' website. All they want is to Send/Receive and not lose any NXT. No messing around with batch files, firewall settings, testnet and having to update twice a week. They don't even want to know about forging.

I'm sure it wouldn't be difficult to promote one simple client that works and isn't going to freak out newbies. Can someone design a simple, safe, client that just sends and receives? I can assure you that would make so many people happy. Most newcomers aren't going to use all the other features they don't even understand, at least not yet. Forging is not an issue for them and don't care about that because they own 5k to 10k. None of their other coin wallets make any money and they don't expect NXT to either. They just want to send and receive and know their wallet is safe (secure password of course) It's that simple.

Does this make sense to anyone and does anyone have any ideas about how we arrive at one website and one simple client.

All my friends asks the same

I agree completely with all of the above.. 5-6 people that I got into NXT are asking me the same question. For 3 of them I am holding NXT because they are freaked out they will mess up something since and lose their investment. Problem with a client exist. i mean we are launching an AE and we still don't have a go to client. And one might say how we have several clients out there, but they are all half working or if I am wrong than we should just choose the best one and offer it to the people..

Nexern client I won't even mention anymore. I doubt we will ever see it.

I really do not understand where the problem lies? The whales could easily support two developers FULLTIME to finish a client within a month.

[jl777]

More I think about Pooled Forging, more I don't like it. Does anyone have any ideas where this could lead to?

I think it makes exactly ZERO sense, for such a currency.
Totally clueless about why do people want it.

Maybe, it's best to defer the release of this functionality until somebody can provide a VERY VERY good reason why we should need it AND many others agree.

It allows people to split their NXT into many accts and still forge 24/7 on a public VPS

[ChuckOne]

Just for the records: how do you want community to decide?

Voting. We have VS.

Ok. Where can I vote?

Good question. Where?

[opticalcarrier]

Good thinking. But Is there a way to cheat this with a modified client? How does the network punish/prevent someone from modifying the code to allow their instance to pool as much as they want

I believe the network should easily be able to validate what hes describing such that these types of shenanigans are impossible.  But I dont understand the need/logic of limiting total forging power.  What is the goal behind that?

Agreed.  Leasing declarations would be stored on blockchain and validated by peers.

The logic to limit total forging power is to prevent very large concentrations in a single pool (ie: Bitcoin's ghash.io).

I think a better method would be to globally limit amount of forging power as a variable figure based on the target of the current block or that and some other factors.  This would allow us to optimally maximize the use of forging power while protecting the network from letting 1 group, either pooled or a single account, get too large for any network target condition at any particular time.  It should work on a first come first served basis such that only the first group of users declared in the blockchain as having their forging power in the leased pool to have their funds used in the pool, and that other users beyond that amount defined by current target would temporarily have their entire balances not part of the pool's forging power if the target is too high, and when target lowers enough, they get put back in.

I believe this should all be possible to be validated on the blockchain by the entire network.

This method would put the onus of responsibility for maximization of pooled forging power on the ACCOUNT OWNERS.  They would have to think about which pool is best for their particular balance if they wanted maximization.

[Fern]

We will have one soon!

I hope so and thanks!!  

Re: NXT for Dummies

Ok Pinarello, 'we will have one soon'. Good. So, when I tell new investors to go to nxtcrypto.org and download the client, will this be it?

At the moment it's NRS 0.8.3, which got updated again 5 minutes ago.   This is where we are stumbling. New investors will NOT put up with this?

NRS is not for newbies and this should be taken off the main site as soon as we have a working client. And people will post that we do have working clients but there is always something that puts people off like updates.

Can you promise me that nxtcrypto.org will have a NXT Client for Dummies (99% humans) as soon as possible??

That client will be Wesleysh client integrated in NRS java, mistafreeze will create the installer.

Wesley delivers the client to J-L tomorrow, dont know how long integration will take but I hope they can do it before friday coz J-L is leaving till sunday

in short when wesleys client is integrated mistafreeze one click installer installs all without any hustle.

THIS will be the standard NXT client

Great. This will be a huge milestone for NXT. I hope this plan does not get derailed.

[pinarello]

I really do not understand where the problem lies? The whales could easily support two developers FULLTIME to finish a client within a month.

really?