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March 05, 2014, 01:27:15 PM
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Is there any specification on the Pooled Forging that you could make available? As in the API call specifically or how it works?

I'm thinking of it, any proposals?

I was thnking about 2 options:

OPTION 1:

1) High level API call from account "A" to assign/remove right to forge to account "B" as well as split between prize
2) If block is found then prize is split between "A" and "B" according to agreed split
3) If prize cannot be split (because block had 1NXT and we can't have less than 1 NXT in an account) then what?

OPTION 2:

1) High level API call from account "A" to assign/remove right to forge to account "B"
2) If block is found, then account "B" gets the prize

With option 2 then account "A" needs to trust account "B", as there's no guarantee that they will pay back the prize earned

Comments?

ps.: I'll have to be offline for a couple of hours.

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March 05, 2014, 01:27:36 PM
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then how come nobody use them and people don't know about them?

This is actually a fair question. I think the answer is that there are MANY clients, and people generally want a recommendation for ONE. Nobody wants to rally behind one to the exclusion of others, so we arrive at a dilemma.

The key here, sadly, is for the "getting started" tutorials to focus on ONE, and then let people know there are many other options.  Right now, it's a choice paradox: when presented with many great options, people are left unable to make a decision. This is a proven aspect of human behaviour.


Exactly!

I couldn't say it better.

We are too much decentralised if it's about the client.

We need to chose one and make instructions or something. We don't need to call it official.
Just choose one so everyone can post that specific client as first. And if users are interested in other clients, we can redirect them.

It is very confusing right now.

Almost every coin has 1 wallet.

If community is to point at one client in particular, I would voted for the simplest opensource equivalent to JL NRS working on windows, mac and linux. I mean a general "client for dummy"! Keep it simple for the mass! If people want more features you always have the possibility to point to a list of more advanced client.

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March 05, 2014, 01:27:50 PM
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Maybe mistafreeze and marcus03 could work toghetter to make the 1 click installer!

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March 05, 2014, 01:28:05 PM
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we need a one click installer that installs NRS, java client and userfriendly client!

I ask this since december!

one click install for all please! than we can start promotion

Java should not be integrated into Nxt client. No installation that requires admin rights!

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March 05, 2014, 01:30:07 PM
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we need a one click installer that installs NRS, java client and userfriendly client!

I ask this since december!

one click install for all please! than we can start promotion

Java should not be integrated into Nxt client. No installation that requires admin rights!

Most people at home have admin right. I see this as a non issue.

EDIT: Of course, it would more interesting to not need the admin right.

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March 05, 2014, 01:30:39 PM
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Is there any specification on the Pooled Forging that you could make available? As in the API call specifically or how it works?

I'm thinking of it, any proposals?

I was thnking about 2 options:

OPTION 1:

1) High level API call from account "A" to assign/remove right to forge to account "B" as well as split between prize
2) If block is found then prize is split between "A" and "B" according to agreed split
3) If prize cannot be split (because block had 1NXT and we can't have less than 1 NXT in an account) then what?

OPTION 2:

1) High level API call from account "A" to assign/remove right to forge to account "B"
2) If block is found, then account "B" gets the prize

With option 2 then account "A" needs to trust account "B", as there's no guarantee that they will pay back the prize earned

Comments?

ps.: I'll have to be offline for a couple of hours.

It works as in option 2.
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March 05, 2014, 01:33:27 PM
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we need a one click installer that installs NRS, java client and userfriendly client!

I ask this since december!

one click install for all please! than we can start promotion

Java should not be integrated into Nxt client. No installation that requires admin rights!

for mass adoption:

If average joe must even click one time more to install NXT then install BTC, LTC of whatever other coin.... they will install the easiest one.

so forget mass adoption if it is even 1 click more complicated than other coins for installation.

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March 05, 2014, 01:35:59 PM
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then how come nobody use them and people don't know about them?

This is actually a fair question. I think the answer is that there are MANY clients, and people generally want a recommendation for ONE. Nobody wants to rally behind one to the exclusion of others, so we arrive at a dilemma.

The key here, sadly, is for the "getting started" tutorials to focus on ONE, and then let people know there are many other options.  Right now, it's a choice paradox: when presented with many great options, people are left unable to make a decision. This is a proven aspect of human behaviour.


Exactly!

I couldn't say it better.

We are too much decentralised if it's about the client.

We need to chose one and make instructions or something. We don't need to call it official.
Just choose one so everyone can post that specific client as first. And if users are interested in other clients, we can redirect them.

It is very confusing right now.

Almost every coin has 1 wallet.

Will you be able/available to do it? Who should be in charge of this?

I don't see a problem with a private site basically endorsing only one client to keep it clear for new users.
They could still mention the other ones, but could put one client (doesn't matter to me which) BIG on front, so people will mainly go to that one.
These things don't need to be decided by all people. Site owners can and probably should decide this by themselves.

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March 05, 2014, 01:39:49 PM
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Mistafreeze and marcus03,

Do you see any possibility to combine the best of both worlds to 1 installer?

thanks


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March 05, 2014, 01:39:59 PM
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then how come nobody use them and people don't know about them?

This is actually a fair question. I think the answer is that there are MANY clients, and people generally want a recommendation for ONE. Nobody wants to rally behind one to the exclusion of others, so we arrive at a dilemma.

The key here, sadly, is for the "getting started" tutorials to focus on ONE, and then let people know there are many other options.  Right now, it's a choice paradox: when presented with many great options, people are left unable to make a decision. This is a proven aspect of human behaviour.


we need a one click installer that installs NRS, java client and userfriendly client!

I ask this since december!

one click install for all please! than we can start promotion

I'd personally like to Wesley's web client be included with NRS.
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March 05, 2014, 01:41:11 PM
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then how come nobody use them and people don't know about them?

This is actually a fair question. I think the answer is that there are MANY clients, and people generally want a recommendation for ONE. Nobody wants to rally behind one to the exclusion of others, so we arrive at a dilemma.

The key here, sadly, is for the "getting started" tutorials to focus on ONE, and then let people know there are many other options.  Right now, it's a choice paradox: when presented with many great options, people are left unable to make a decision. This is a proven aspect of human behaviour.


Exactly!

I couldn't say it better.

We are too much decentralised if it's about the client.

We need to chose one and make instructions or something. We don't need to call it official.
Just choose one so everyone can post that specific client as first. And if users are interested in other clients, we can redirect them.

It is very confusing right now.

Almost every coin has 1 wallet.

Will you be able/available to do it? Who should be in charge of this?

I don't see a problem with a private site basically endorsing only one client to keep it clear for new users.
They could still mention the other ones, but could put one client (doesn't matter to me which) BIG on front, so people will mainly go to that one.
These things don't need to be decided by all people. Site owners can and probably should decide this by themselves.

What average people do;

1. Open Google
2. Search NXT, NXT wallet
3. Click at the first website
4. Download the wallet

Result; NRS wallet appears on their desktop.

5. Cannot install
6. Delete

Aaaaannnd we lost another potential investor in NXT.

So I really think that all the website's should use the same clients.
Maybe even two. One simple client just to make transactions. And another one with full options like AE, Forging, Alias etc.

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March 05, 2014, 01:41:53 PM
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then how come nobody use them and people don't know about them?

This is actually a fair question. I think the answer is that there are MANY clients, and people generally want a recommendation for ONE. Nobody wants to rally behind one to the exclusion of others, so we arrive at a dilemma.

The key here, sadly, is for the "getting started" tutorials to focus on ONE, and then let people know there are many other options.  Right now, it's a choice paradox: when presented with many great options, people are left unable to make a decision. This is a proven aspect of human behaviour.


we need a one click installer that installs NRS, java client and userfriendly client!

I ask this since december!

one click install for all please! than we can start promotion

I'd personally like to Wesley's web client be included with NRS.

would it be possible to make an installer for it, working toghetter with wesleyh?

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March 05, 2014, 01:43:09 PM
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then how come nobody use them and people don't know about them?

This is actually a fair question. I think the answer is that there are MANY clients, and people generally want a recommendation for ONE. Nobody wants to rally behind one to the exclusion of others, so we arrive at a dilemma.

The key here, sadly, is for the "getting started" tutorials to focus on ONE, and then let people know there are many other options.  Right now, it's a choice paradox: when presented with many great options, people are left unable to make a decision. This is a proven aspect of human behaviour.


Exactly!

I couldn't say it better.

We are too much decentralised if it's about the client.

We need to chose one and make instructions or something. We don't need to call it official.
Just choose one so everyone can post that specific client as first. And if users are interested in other clients, we can redirect them.

It is very confusing right now.

Almost every coin has 1 wallet.

Will you be able/available to do it? Who should be in charge of this?

I don't see a problem with a private site basically endorsing only one client to keep it clear for new users.
They could still mention the other ones, but could put one client (doesn't matter to me which) BIG on front, so people will mainly go to that one.
These things don't need to be decided by all people. Site owners can and probably should decide this by themselves.

What average people do;

1. Open Google
2. Search NXT, NXT wallet
3. Click at the first website
4. Download the wallet

Result; NRS wallet appears on their desktop.

5. Cannot install
6. Delete
7. never look at it again

Aaaaannnd we lost another potential investor in NXT

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March 05, 2014, 01:43:16 PM
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then how come nobody use them and people don't know about them?

This is actually a fair question. I think the answer is that there are MANY clients, and people generally want a recommendation for ONE. Nobody wants to rally behind one to the exclusion of others, so we arrive at a dilemma.

The key here, sadly, is for the "getting started" tutorials to focus on ONE, and then let people know there are many other options.  Right now, it's a choice paradox: when presented with many great options, people are left unable to make a decision. This is a proven aspect of human behaviour.


we need a one click installer that installs NRS, java client and userfriendly client!

I ask this since december!

one click install for all please! than we can start promotion

I'd personally like to Wesley's web client be included with NRS.

would it be possible to make an installer for it, working toghetter with wesleyh?

All I have to do is include his html files in with NRS. It requires no change at all to my installer.
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March 05, 2014, 01:45:52 PM
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then how come nobody use them and people don't know about them?

This is actually a fair question. I think the answer is that there are MANY clients, and people generally want a recommendation for ONE. Nobody wants to rally behind one to the exclusion of others, so we arrive at a dilemma.

The key here, sadly, is for the "getting started" tutorials to focus on ONE, and then let people know there are many other options.  Right now, it's a choice paradox: when presented with many great options, people are left unable to make a decision. This is a proven aspect of human behaviour.


we need a one click installer that installs NRS, java client and userfriendly client!

I ask this since december!

one click install for all please! than we can start promotion

I'd personally like to Wesley's web client be included with NRS.

would it be possible to make an installer for it, working toghetter with wesleyh?

All I have to do is include his html files in with NRS. It requires no change at all to my installer.

OK,

Wesleyh can you agree on this or do you have plans yourself in this matter, any ETA for that?

thank you

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March 05, 2014, 01:47:02 PM
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@Jean-Luc

Would it be possible to include wesleyh´s webclient in your releases instead of the webui we have now?
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March 05, 2014, 01:47:26 PM
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Mistafreeze,

can you meantime trie with the other clients if they agree?

thank you

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March 05, 2014, 01:47:41 PM
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Java should not be integrated into Nxt client. No installation that requires admin rights!

for mass adoption:

If average joe must even click one time more to install NXT then install BTC, LTC of whatever other coin.... they will install the easiest one.

so forget mass adoption if it is even 1 click more complicated than other coins for installation.
Installer on run tells "Oh, you don't have Java installed! Download it from official site (instructions, video) and then run installer again".

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March 05, 2014, 01:48:36 PM
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RE: Local NXT Person-to-Person Marketplace

Yesterday I've just received the very first generous donation for my upcoming project from Pouncer - 1,000 NXT, again thanks a lot!
It also made it into the NXT Newsletter #4 on nxter.org, awesome motivation!

More soon.  Wink
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March 05, 2014, 01:48:43 PM
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@Jean-Luc

Would it be possible to include wesleyh´s webclient in your releases instead of the webui we have now?

also good solution, than mistafreeze can just update his installer and we are done.

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