NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information

[Damelon]

What the hell?  So we got an anonymous BCNext exclusively talking to an anonymous CfB about some vague plans that are too be revealed.

Can you really take all of this seriously?!

So if CfB bails (like he has said he plans on doing),  who does BCNext speak too?  Anyone else have a private line to the founder?

Misrepresenting facts. Spinny, spinny spin!

"Bailing" is running away.

His contract ends. That's something different and it's good that we know this.

I'd rather hear it now than a week in advance.

Also, why do you care?

CfB did say he wanted to bail and work on his *new* crypto-currency.

So when he does leave,  who speaks to the BCNext founder?  Anyone else have a hot line?  Who, other than CfB has the source code?

That's a good question, and it hasn't been answered yet. CfB will leave in two months. That is the window to decide that. I'd rather he worked in that time and the question will become more urgent and then answered as the time goes by.

His *new* currency is built on TOP of Nxt. Fancy you didn't know that.

It's a worrying trend you have: you ask some valid questions, but then turn out to have very limited knowledge. You make accusations based on half facts. If you are truly a professional, how would someone who contracts you react to that?
The facts are all publicly available, but at every point you seem to think you need to have these facts presented to you on a platter.

The argument "this thread is too long" really isn't valid. You could just read CfB's posts from his profile. That may take a few hours, but if you are truly as professional as you profess to be at some times, you could do this easily.

In a normal work environment your behaviour would be regarded as highly disruptive. Spreading panic based on half facts is silly.

[Eadeqa]

What the hell?  So we got an anonymous BCNext exclusively talking to an anonymous CfB about some vague plans that are too be revealed.

Can you really take all of this seriously?!

So if CfB bails (like he has said he plans on doing),  who does BCNext speak too?  Anyone else have a private line to the founder?

Misrepresenting facts. Spinny, spinny spin!

"Bailing" is running away.

His contract ends. That's something different and it's good that we know this.

I'd rather hear it now than a week in advance.

Also, why do you care?

CfB did say he wanted to bail and work on his *new* crypto-currency.

So when he does leave,  who speaks to the BCNext founder?  Anyone else have a hot line?  Who, other than CfB has the source code?

Jean-Luc has the source code and is the core developer.


http://info.nxtcrypto.org/jean-luc-new-core-developer/

[Uniqueorn]

it is hurting NXT no matter what.
it is hurting current price of 1 NXT no matter what.

Fixed.

translation:
"It helps the wide and easy distribution"

Yes. BCNext doesn't care about the price.

This is trivializing my question and misinterpreting my statements.
I said it hurts NXT, not the price, but NXT itself.

I would think BCNext too would have the insight to understand that having a common goal to work towards is healthy for the community, but perhaps he is truly that bad at reading people and markets. I don't know, I don't know anything about him really.

All I know is that YOU CfB talk about his upcoming plans as if they will change and make sense of everything and then when someone is even a tadbit critical, you get all defensive and accuse others of relying on BCNext. That is just wrong in my opinion.


Again: all I want is more info so we can collaborate as a unified community towards a common goal. Why you keep mentioning the price of 1 NXT is beyond me.

[Come-from-Beyond]

Again: all I want is more info so we can collaborate as a unified community towards a common goal. Why you keep mentioning the price of 1 NXT is beyond me.

It's impossible to hurt Nxt. It's a concept, abstract idea. That's why I thought that u were talking about the price.

[bitcoinpaul]

I would think BCNext too would have the insight to understand that having a common goal to work towards is healthy for the community

Well, we have 2 options:

1. Take current version of Nxt and keep develop it in our own way, without changes added by BCNext
2. Wait for 2nd and 3rd parts of BCNext's plan, read them and decide if we need to follow them. If we don't then see point 1.

In any case we lose nothing. Nxt already has more features than Bitcoin.

2 1+2 is the wise choice. This incredible community can create fantastic things. If we would solely rely on BCNext plans we would miss chances to develop great ideas and features BCNext wouldn't thought of. Why not merge OUR ideas with BCNext ideas?

[opticalcarrier]

This is trivializing my question and misinterpreting my statements.
I said it hurts NXT, not the price, but NXT itself.

I would think BCNext too would have the insight to understand that having a common goal to work towards is healthy for the community, but perhaps he is truly that bad at reading people and markets. I don't know, I don't know anything about him really.

All I know is that YOU CfB talk about his upcoming plans as if they will change and make sense of everything and then when someone is even a tadbit critical, you get all defensive and accuse others of relying on BCNext. That is just wrong in my opinion.


Again: all I want is more info so we can collaborate as a unified community towards a common goal. Why you keep mentioning the price of 1 NXT is beyond me.

I have to agree.  Im very confused with all the puzzles and riddles as well.  It concerns me when CfB is dumping, all the while saying "BCNext said to trust no one on the internet, especially if they are named BCNext"
 

[Damelon]

Update on the bandwidth question: https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,3755.0.html

[ImmortAlex]

LET SING THE US NATIONAL ANTHEM TOGETHER!

Plagiarism...

[smartwart]

...
By the way, we didin't have a voting discussion in a long time.
How about voting power is proportional to the fees paid in the last X month by that account?
This still allows the biggest wallet to win but helps getting some coins into circulation and only allows active users to have a vote. Plus it should be easy to verify.

Update: Collecting Voting Models and Options

More and more it becomes clear there is not THE ONE way for VS.
But there are different poll-categories, e.g "assets polls" is different category as "best button-color polls".

The poll initiator should be able to choose boundary conditions depending on poll-topic.
The poll boundary conditions need to be transparent during run time.
To be more constructive lets try to collect some "Voting Models":

general options:

- min. permitted Account Deposit

- min. permitted Account age (Blocks)

- poll duration (Blocks)

- Voting Fee


Voting Models:

+ 1 NXT        ==   1 Vote  { vote = Func(accountBalance) }

+ 1 NXT        ==   X Vote  { x = Func(accountBalance) =  polynom * accountBalance}

+ 1 Account  ==  1 Vote   { vote = Func(accountBalance) =  0.5 * accountBalance}

Jcsarokrin:
+ 1 Account  ==  1 Vote   { Biometric Authenification: http://juliansarokin.com/100-years-the-future-of-government/ }

ChuckOne:  
+  1 Account  ==   X Vote = X( Voting Fee ) = log(fee)+1
+  1 NXT       ==    X Vote = X( Voting Fee, Account Deposit)   =  log(fee/balance)+1

Anon136:
+ 1 Account + 1 solved captcha  ==   1Vote

MarvellousMutant:
+ 1 Account   ==  X Vote = X(TransactionFee)                             =  log(tractFee)+1
+ 1 Account   ==  X Vote = X(TransactionFee, TransactionNumber)  =  log(tractFee*TransactionNumber)+1


no claim to completeness!


We need to discuss selection options too:
[true]    [false]    [abstention]
I think [abstention] provides an important information too.
E.g. a high count of [abstention] tells the poll creator "interesting question buddy, but not this way!!!" ...

It makes sense to collect all ideas to keep the overview.
Please extent the "general options" and "voting models" and "selection options" ideas!!!



@ MarvellousMutant:

I was adding some assumptions based on your approach.
Please feel free to modify it or add something!!!

[Come-from-Beyond]

Im very confused with all the puzzles and riddles as well.  It concerns me when CfB is dumping, all the while saying "BCNext said to trust no one on the internet, especially if they are named BCNext"
 

Dumping? What r u talking about?

[bitcoinpaul]

Im very confused with all the puzzles and riddles as well.  It concerns me when CfB is dumping, all the while saying "BCNext said to trust no one on the internet, especially if they are named BCNext"
 

He needs to anonymize his NXT in order to invest in a company. A company which will use Nxt, btw.

[ImmortAlex]

Im very confused with all the puzzles and riddles as well.  It concerns me when CfB is dumping, all the while saying "BCNext said to trust no one on the internet, especially if they are named BCNext"
 

Dumping? What r u talking about?

[opticalcarrier]

Dumping? What r u talking about?

well not dumping on an exchange, you are trying to get rid of all your NXT.  Or did I confuse your post?

[Come-from-Beyond]

Dumping? What r u talking about?

well not dumping on an exchange, you are trying to get rid of all your NXT.  Or did I confuse your post?

U did.

[BitcoinForumator]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-9miCOsg4g

From 0:53:00 onward - the importance of the first mover and the timeframe of the rollout of features from competition...

[msin]

it is hurting NXT no matter what.
it is hurting current price of 1 NXT no matter what.

Fixed.

translation:
"It helps the wide and easy distribution"

Yes. BCNext doesn't care about the price.

This is trivializing my question and misinterpreting my statements.
I said it hurts NXT, not the price, but NXT itself.

I would think BCNext too would have the insight to understand that having a common goal to work towards is healthy for the community, but perhaps he is truly that bad at reading people and markets. I don't know, I don't know anything about him really.

All I know is that YOU CfB talk about his upcoming plans as if they will change and make sense of everything and then when someone is even a tadbit critical, you get all defensive and accuse others of relying on BCNext. That is just wrong in my opinion.


Again: all I want is more info so we can collaborate as a unified community towards a common goal. Why you keep mentioning the price of 1 NXT is beyond me.

What specific info do you want?  I believe CFB has been pretty straight forward about what is being implemented in the future.  We have several features and more on the way, things take time to develop.  

[gs02xzz]

I would think BCNext too would have the insight to understand that having a common goal to work towards is healthy for the community

Well, we have 2 options:

1. Take current version of Nxt and keep develop it in our own way, without changes added by BCNext
2. Wait for 2nd and 3rd parts of BCNext's plan, read them and decide if we need to follow them. If we don't then see point 1.

In any case we lose nothing. Nxt already has more features than Bitcoin.

2 1+2 is the wise choice. This incredible community can create fantastic things. If we would solely rely on BCNext plans we would miss chances to develop great ideas and features BCNext wouldn't thought of. Why not merge OUR ideas with BCNext ideas?

I don't think BCNext can give us as much information as we want because someone else will simply copy his ideas before we can implement them. We are not ready yet. We are lucky to have cfb to answer all the questions.

[pinarello]

LET SING THE US NATIONAL ANTHEM TOGETHER!

Which one?

[Uniqueorn]

it is hurting NXT no matter what.
it is hurting current price of 1 NXT no matter what.

Fixed.

translation:
"It helps the wide and easy distribution"

Yes. BCNext doesn't care about the price.

This is trivializing my question and misinterpreting my statements.
I said it hurts NXT, not the price, but NXT itself.

I would think BCNext too would have the insight to understand that having a common goal to work towards is healthy for the community, but perhaps he is truly that bad at reading people and markets. I don't know, I don't know anything about him really.

All I know is that YOU CfB talk about his upcoming plans as if they will change and make sense of everything and then when someone is even a tadbit critical, you get all defensive and accuse others of relying on BCNext. That is just wrong in my opinion.


Again: all I want is more info so we can collaborate as a unified community towards a common goal. Why you keep mentioning the price of 1 NXT is beyond me.

What specific info do you want?  I believe CFB has been pretty straight forward about what is being implemented in the future.  We have several features and more on the way, things take time to develop.  

Specifically I want more openness. CfB keeps talking about what will happen and mention BCNexts mysterious future plans as if they are the game changer, yet we, the people, get no knowledge of this until later on.
My question is basically: Why?

Why the need for secrecy and mystery? It simply cause confusion and uncertainty, which is the last thing you need in a new world that is ruled by scams, empty promises and paranoia. Hell BCNext who is so paranoid he wont even post anymore should understand this better than anyone.
NXT needs branding and marketing, it seems finally that everyone understands this, but then it shouldn't be hard to realize that the current atmosphere of uncertainty hurts NXT and lead important people away from NXT.
As someone who has worked in this area of NXT for almost 2 months now I can tell you that the biggest obstacle NXT has faced is to convince people it's not a IPO scam due to the very bad distribution. There is A LOT of uncertainty resting over NXT that hurts NXT.

Like CfB mentions over and over, we the community shouldn't rely on BCNext and that we need to develope ourselves. This is all fine and well, but then he turns around and says that the upcoming secret plans is where the real juice is at and just adds further uncertainty to everything which again lead the developers to view NXT as too uncertain to invest time and energy into. It's just one big mess.

If the reason is that he fears that someone will copy his ideas then that is obviously understandable, but why can't he then state that officially?
I just don't see why it is so hard for him to communicate to the community through CfB and remove all of this lingering uncertainty.

I have nothing against CfB, CfB knows this very well and noone is mad that things take time, but if we had more info on why certain things takes the time it does and so on then it would be easier for all of us to help out with things. It's really that simple.

[Uniqueorn]

I would think BCNext too would have the insight to understand that having a common goal to work towards is healthy for the community

Well, we have 2 options:

1. Take current version of Nxt and keep develop it in our own way, without changes added by BCNext
2. Wait for 2nd and 3rd parts of BCNext's plan, read them and decide if we need to follow them. If we don't then see point 1.

In any case we lose nothing. Nxt already has more features than Bitcoin.

2 1+2 is the wise choice. This incredible community can create fantastic things. If we would solely rely on BCNext plans we would miss chances to develop great ideas and features BCNext wouldn't thought of. Why not merge OUR ideas with BCNext ideas?

I don't think BCNext can give us as much information as we want because someone else will simply copy his ideas before we can implement them. We are not ready yet. We are lucky to have cfb to answer all the questions.

Then he should just come right out and explain why he choose to do it this way and then we'd have our answer.
Also CfB is gone in 2 months, if by then we haven't managed to quench all of this and become a unified community, well.... that wont be pretty