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February 08, 2014, 01:45:59 PM |
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P.S. Still waiting for feedback on blockchain FIFO, not sure why nobody does this.
Finite blockchain was discussed here, I think, about three times by groups of semi-different people, each time almost from the scratch. One problem with NXT is that full blockchain has to exist, balance sheet is just a local compression method on the disk. Bitcoin doesn't need full blockchain.
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February 08, 2014, 01:48:30 PM |
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Bitcoin doesn't need full blockchain.
R u sure?
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iruu
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February 08, 2014, 01:51:33 PM |
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Bitcoin doesn't need full blockchain.
R u sure? Obviously I'm not talking about current implementation, but what it needs on the basic, theoretical level. In PoW, you only need the chain of proofs, without transactions, which lead you from genesis to the latest balance sheet. In NXT, you need account balances to verify blocks, so you need full blocks, you just don't need to store them (but someone has to!). You can update genesis in newer versions of the client, but that's centralization really...
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Ola
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February 08, 2014, 01:55:04 PM |
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hello Ola, how's your Poker project going? I'm very interested in a completely decentralized gamble games.
its slowly progressing, will announce something soon...also it wouldn't be completely decentralized, at least from from an account settlement point of view..I thinks its impossible to have a completely decentralized poker as long as there is a profit motive rake... Neither without the profit motive rake is nearly impossible as the game state should be kept and all peers should agree on the current game state. this is fundamental and possible with schemes like shamir's secret sharing and such...profits to sharesholders complicates things
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Bitventurer
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February 08, 2014, 02:00:44 PM Last edit: February 08, 2014, 03:41:33 PM by Bitventurer |
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I live up the road from Kim Dot Com and he's very approachable. Perhaps he could play a role. Kim is a lone wolf, but we could try?! his working on his own platform/coin I believe he mentioned this on the Keiser report... or is it BCnext ?
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February 08, 2014, 02:04:22 PM |
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In PoW, you only need the chain of proofs, without transactions, which lead you from genesis to the latest balance sheet. In NXT, you need account balances to verify blocks, so you need full blocks, you just don't need to store them (but someone has to!).
I see.
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February 08, 2014, 02:09:21 PM |
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hello Ola, how's your Poker project going? I'm very interested in a completely decentralized gamble games.
its slowly progressing, will announce something soon...also it wouldn't be completely decentralized, at least from from an account settlement point of view..I thinks its impossible to have a completely decentralized poker as long as there is a profit motive rake... Neither without the profit motive rake is nearly impossible as the game state should be kept and all peers should agree on the current game state. this is fundamental and possible with schemes like shamir's secret sharing and such...profits to sharesholders complicates things Really! I though that could be a problem having 10 poker client peers connected between them without 3rd party server as the majority of the clients in the game could be altered to cheat and collude. I though something like sybil attack would be possible in this case as the network is formed only by small amount of peers. I will check that secret sharing that you mentioned.
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February 08, 2014, 02:17:16 PM |
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I think for that reason we have sponsored swarm teams. I think uniquorn runs them teams
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February 08, 2014, 02:26:41 PM |
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hello Ola, how's your Poker project going? I'm very interested in a completely decentralized gamble games.
its slowly progressing, will announce something soon...also it wouldn't be completely decentralized, at least from from an account settlement point of view..I thinks its impossible to have a completely decentralized poker as long as there is a profit motive rake... Neither without the profit motive rake is nearly impossible as the game state should be kept and all peers should agree on the current game state. this is fundamental and possible with schemes like shamir's secret sharing and such...profits to sharesholders complicates things Thanks, I'll read some more paper about this
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Ola
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February 08, 2014, 02:28:14 PM |
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hello Ola, how's your Poker project going? I'm very interested in a completely decentralized gamble games.
its slowly progressing, will announce something soon...also it wouldn't be completely decentralized, at least from from an account settlement point of view..I thinks its impossible to have a completely decentralized poker as long as there is a profit motive rake... Neither without the profit motive rake is nearly impossible as the game state should be kept and all peers should agree on the current game state. this is fundamental and possible with schemes like shamir's secret sharing and such...profits to sharesholders complicates things Really! I though that could be a problem having 10 poker client peers connected between them without 3rd party server as the majority of the clients in the game could be altered to cheat and collude. I though something like sybil attack would be possible in this case as the network is formed only by small amount of peers. I will check that secret sharing that you mentioned. you can use any number of schemes to ensure that the integrity of each client is cross verified by each peer and maintained during gameplay collusion can never be completely eradicated in 'online poker' its even still a big problem for the big poker sites but these sites have big budgets for any damage control..You can definitely bring collusion to a minimum by using a combination of several economic technical methods like -anonymous tables: randomly assigning players to randomly selected tables in bet categories -big enough pool of players and players are assigned to tables randomly,You choose a game, but you get assigned randomly to a table -also ip filtering (maybe tor detection? still trying to figure out the merit of this) -assigning fees to join table -live video/audio feeds especially for high stakes -if only less than certain threshold of players are available, only 1vs 1 games will be available: Of course you can have private tables...but its probably implicitly known that players at the tables know each other
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Ola
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February 08, 2014, 02:28:49 PM |
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hello Ola, how's your Poker project going? I'm very interested in a completely decentralized gamble games.
its slowly progressing, will announce something soon...also it wouldn't be completely decentralized, at least from from an account settlement point of view..I thinks its impossible to have a completely decentralized poker as long as there is a profit motive rake... Neither without the profit motive rake is nearly impossible as the game state should be kept and all peers should agree on the current game state. this is fundamental and possible with schemes like shamir's secret sharing and such...profits to sharesholders complicates things Thanks, I'll read some more paper about this start with "mental poker"
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Passion_ltc
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February 08, 2014, 02:52:39 PM |
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Thank you to the guy who trust me and donated 50 NXT to me on tipNXT.com! (He used an account with 92,300 NXT!!) I hope that with the time the trust issue will be resolved, because I'm planning a big site with similar issues.
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February 08, 2014, 03:12:20 PM |
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I live up the road from Kim Dot Com and he's very approachable. Perhaps he could play a role. Kim is a lone wolf, but we could try?! Please don't cooperate with this guy. I remember him from the Phreaking scene back in the early 90s. He always does damage to a community!
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February 08, 2014, 04:09:52 PM |
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I think there is a big possibility in quickly pay or tip via a smartphone/tablet.
I think there is a big possibility in rainbow unicorn, so what? Nxt is better that Bitcoin because paying via web is built-in feature. Just host your node and connect to it. I don't understand your issue with this, its another feature that adds value to Nxt. Is it personally affecting you in some way? Try to be more constructive, Passion_ltc is a valued member of the community and he's built some great products so far.
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February 08, 2014, 04:25:27 PM |
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@CfB or JLP I am seeing some rather strange values on the TESTNET. Is this a bug, or is it a feature? ANd if it is a bug, is it in my client? look at lastBlock and cumulDiff -are these values sound? thanks!
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February 08, 2014, 04:50:25 PM |
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@CfB or JLP I am seeing some rather strange values on the TESTNET. Is this a bug, or is it a feature? ANd if it is a bug, is it in my client? look at lastBlock and cumulDiff -are these values sound? thanks! https://i.imgur.com/jIs6jEr.pngI see nothing strange. Why do u think that something wrong?
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February 08, 2014, 04:56:03 PM |
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large values, esp. cumulDiff - but I don't know in which way they are measured... so I know I don't have any messup with str or int conversion, thanks!
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EmoneyRu
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February 08, 2014, 04:56:43 PM |
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I don't understand your issue with this, its another feature that adds value to Nxt. Is it personally affecting you in some way? Try to be more constructive, Passion_ltc is a valued member of the community and he's built some great products so far.
Some nice centralized based-on-trust feature? Exactly what I want to see in Nxt. Give me 2 of them
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