Economic Devastation

[TPTB_need_war]

The government chose to limit themselves to Ulbricht and a couple of his lieutenants. Much much more was possible.

I assert rather they limited their scope of enforcement because they know they can't regulate jaywalking on rural roads.

Once it becomes clear to the people that the BIG government is impotent, checkmate on BIG government.

CoinCube, the cathedrals you pray to (respect or wary of) are collapsing. Hope you get out before the roof caves in. (note to self, might take longer than hoped though)

Taking me out is irrelevant. The trend is already underway and rpietila's prior post is salient.

Waving a red flag in front of the Big Rhino (US Government) is never a good idea.

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And, keep in mind that they are looking out for THEIR interests much more than they are looking out for us.

Indeed TPTB have no incentive to fuck with you individually (other than their inexorable ass diving with inflation, taxes, etc), unless you make it such that they must fuck with you or lose their own credibility.

[TPTB_need_war]

But at what point is enough enough and the "losers" should be given some help?  Is there any point where you believe there should be a social safety net?  Or are you of the opinion that they should all just be thrown to the wolves and left to fend for themselves and adapt or else?

Killing off the dead system that is oppressing them is not giving them to the wolves.

During a period of adjustment to greater prosperity (and productivity), family, church, local community, and close friends provide the optimum safety net because they know the individual circumstances closely.

Socialism destroyed the family unit. Boomers didn't give a fuck about their kids and vice versa. So yeah these people are ill prepared because they forsaked the local safety net for the BIG government promise. They enjoyed it and were even boastful and defiant.

Humanity will anneal to compassion. Humanity is basically compassionate. TPTB will try to foment hate and war.

[molecular]

if any of you were going to develop a cloud-based website with app for smart devices what platform and development software would you use? Conceptually, I know what I want but not sure what development software and tools to use.

depending on what you need natively on the device, a cordova-based framework like ionic could make sense. It allows to code in html5/js, so it's cheaper/easier to develop compared to making native apps for each target platform. Maybe also meteor might be an option.

For editing files you can use a text editor like sublime text

You will have to think about the server and db infrastructure, too.

Thanks for that. For the DB I have no problem using either MS SQL or MySQL. I do have more experience with MS SQL though. Now I have some research to do.

You might want to google things like nosql, mongodb, couchdb. Those are less structured approaches to data storage, more document-oriented. There's nothing to be said against good old relational dbs imo, but the kids these days use other stuff that plays more nicely with the frameworks I suggested above. Structured databases and typed languages are for old farts like us ;-).

[CoinCube]

But, Erdogan is right that the probability of getting arrested for minor crimes (buying black market goods) is rather low.  Also note that in the USSR, the Communists deliberately made many laws contradictory so they could pick you up at any time for any reason.

The USA has not arrived at that point yet.

It’s not just the probability of getting arrested that one must take into account but the consequences.

The damage that can occur from a "youthful indiscretion" has vastly increased since your youth OROBTC. There are now potentially monstrous consequences for things that would have once been considered youthful lapses. With the ubiquity of background checks minor crimes can now hound you for the rest of your life.

If for example your dream is to be a doctor and you are arrested in college buying (insert illegal drug here) there is very high chance that your dream is dead. The exceptional applicant may still have a shot at a weaker school but even that is an open question.  

At each stage of the process, medical school, residency, fellowship, applying for a job, medical licensure the tired old crime will be dusted off and you will again be judged. It may forever close doors and it would be impossible to ever know. After each rejection or denial one would be left wondering if the old charge was the reason.  

I was pretty straight laced and careful as a youth. However, I will admit to the rare indiscretion. Had I suffered a bit of bad luck it is possible that I could have fallen afoul of the law. I had no idea at the time that I was potentially risking my future. Society is less forgiving than it once was.

CoinCube, the cathedrals you pray to (respect or wary of) are collapsing. Hope you get out before the roof caves in. (note to self, might take longer than hoped though)

Wary of definitely wary of. For now I am focusing my energy on making sure the next generation my children have the skills needed to make an easy exit.

Waving a red flag in front of the Big Rhino (US Government) is never a good idea.

出る釘は打たれる (deru kugi wa utareru) - "A nail that sticks out will be hammered"

[TPTB_need_war]

CoinCube I pretty well fucked myself in that errant discretion area long ago, e.g. picture my resume "1994 - 2015 resided most of the time in Mindanao". So I had no choice but to exit the system and work for a system where the pedantic, irrelevant past can't matter.

I assert that having a good record in the dying NWO system is of diminishing utility. Hope you cash in your NWO chips with good timing.

A system which can't forgive the irrelevant is obviously bankrupted.

[TPTB_need_war]

Fortunately, the network effect still works when billions of people indirectly use BTC via altcoins, sidechains...

I seem to rebut people before they writeread:

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The sidechains will be Coinbase, Circle, Paypal, etc.. and they will have the most users. So go ahead and fork away and see how many people follow you. The richest 0.1% are onboard the NWO plan and will prefer to monopolize the MSM fork than to defect to your ideological, hobbiest store-of-value. Who are your allies? Where is your market?

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Bad etiquette to quote thyself, but I want to draw attention to the additional thought that upper 0.1% and the lower 50% (in the power-law distribution of wealth) are actually in bed together and synergistic (google Some Iron Laws of Political Economics).

We The Upper Middle Class Workers of The Knowledge Age have to go create the coin that serves our vocation which is virtual micropayment commerce. And it will need it to support strong anonymity, because we exist in defiance of that upper 0.1% and the lower 50% at this stage of the contagion/cancer.

[rpietila]

TL; DR: There is nothing new under the sun. What the luddites of today fear, has been proved wrong every time there was any advance in efficiency since the dawn of mankind. Now we even have a huge reserve of pent-up production capacity, because most of the people of today are just working in the system doing nothing of value. With the release of these people, the future looks brighter than most of us can even imagine.

What type of production capacity? Are you talking about manufacturing?

Manufacturing is never going to come back.

Its replaced by our tech with machines, and other assembly stuff is done with china. The more things you see automated, the more jobs are cut like those cashier people.

Look around you!


How many hours per week do the people in the system professions actually work? I mean spend time on doing something, anything, that makes the fellow humans' life easier. Agriculture does, manufacturing does, distribution of goods does, many but not even close to all services do.

How much of your time do you spend on doing anything meaningful? I spend exactly none. All my time is consummated in getting the word out that there IS a life worth living out there, and the problems of the world are non-problems - the symptoms of a cancer that is far bigger already than the whole of your natural system! Multiple times bigger.

I have grown to see that there is no easy way to dethrone the current masters. Even keeping yourself out of becoming their slave is reeaally difficult, and getting anyone to reject them is even more so. The methods that would be needed to dethrone them are prone to lead to the "meet the new master, he is the same as the old master" situation.

My understanding is that Jesus is coming soon. He promised. The millennial kingdom, "paradise on earth", is the first time in history achievable with the technology we already have, so despite that destroying the kosmos ("world", the slave-market of Satan led by the people who call themselves Jews, controlling the Hollywood, banks, and media nearly worldwide, and having infiltrated many governments such as the USA so that there is scarcely any American voice in any major decision).

What I see necessary to understand are:

1) The kosmos=world is currently the domain of Satan (this was verified by Christ under temptations);

2) The Christians are instructed to keep away from the world, which may not always be easy nor free, but worth it, since I havent found any Christian who believes the world's lies yet has a testimony that the Father approves. You can't stick all your senses to shit for decades and expect that your speech and conduct would be not shit as the result. They will be shit.

3) Since Jesus already achieved the victory on the cross, we are empowered, capable and tasked to spread the Gospel of the Kingdom (including both salvation and that stuff, but also that the kosmos is judged and will be finished physically as well, and the leaders of it physically thrown to the lake of fire (hell) where their instigator, Satan, also is)

4) The manifestation of the Kingdom coincides with Jesus' coming: he is coming with all his saints, so if we are martyred during our struggle, the killers will be in for a nasty surprise.

5) The practical change in the natural laws will be that evil is very much contained during the time that Satan is in the pit. I think this does not need to manifest itself in anything more than all the people understand what I already do, and consequently mind their own business instead of attacking each other and causing damage (in all levels of life from stealing of your lunch money to the domino destroying of entire countries in Serbia-Iraq-Libya-Ukraine). Especially as such a wonderful and interesting place is rules by our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and we already know his ruling style never involves force.

6) The unfathomable increase in production (of everything, mainly services since we already have too much of most goods) is made possible by eliminating the negative production of regulations, war, propaganda, unemployment etc. There you only need to work 4 years to earn for the rest of your life, and of course you quit school (even if it was offered and free) since it does not pay off to study 20 years for a 4 year career. As a result, the slavery which currently is on average more than 50 years, is shrunk to beneficial, productive and interesting work of a few years.

[vokain]

I did just read last night a little bit of Revelations that the Lion of Judah (Jesus/Lamb of God) will vanquish evil. Decently relevant:
http://www.lofj.com

Also, I remember J.R. Willett telling me about how the Book of John is meant to show us what Jesus's mission here is, and I think that's so with faith/truth/love/compassion/wisdom etc. like Him, we too can maybe realize our potential impact against evil (in ourselves, in the world, and in time).

[CoinCube]

I have grown to see that there is no easy way to dethrone the current masters. Even keeping yourself out of becoming their slave is reeaally difficult, and getting anyone to reject them is even more so.

I was thinking the same today when I did a Google News search for Rand Paul.

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=rand+paul&tbm=nws

Despite Rand Paul's signature issue being opposition to the NSA, and despite the fact that a majority of Americans have been shown in multiple opinion polls to be opposed to broad warrentless NSA collection the result of the search was sad but not suprising.

Page after page of attacking articles from all corners of the mainstream media and not a single positive article to be found.
Perhaps there is some concern he is getting traction with his recent success?

Edit:

Poll shows Rand Paul more competitive against Hillary Cinton than all other republican contenders.
http://www.saintpetersblog.com/archives/231889

[TPTB_need_war]

Bitcoin is not just for the rich, even when transaction capacity is severely limited. We will have off chain service companies to handle that. Here is how it could work:  A base equity capital. Let's say around 100 bitcoin to cover assets under management 1000 bitcoin. The board and the CEO is made responsible with all their assets (that has been the case in earlier times). Time deposits, let's say in general 3 years. You can pay immediately by transferring your deposits, but you can not immediately withdraw your bitcoins. Loans made to others also timed, say the same, 3 years. The institution keeps a sizeable reserve, let's say 30 %. This will probably be prudent, the market will decide. Due to fractional reserve banking, the money volume should therefore increase by about 3333 (the current system with zero reserve sometimes, would not be possible). There will be no deposit insurance and no bailouts. Sometimes such a bank will fail to pay back, with customers loosing money, and the market will have to keep the industry in check.

I believe the death of the Industrial Age and the birth of the Knowledge Age will kill usury without causing a Middle Ages (Dark Age). I have covered the reasoning extensively in the One-world reserve currency and the Economic Devastation threads (as AnonyMint and various other pseudonyms).

IMO, you are describing a high fixed capital investment Industrial Age economy that is dying into a NWO outcome.

Many of us are tired of that shit of trusting people. We want a meritocracy where to earn one must “Show me the code, talk is cheap” (Linus Torvalds).

In other words, we want 100% transparency on the merits of value and exchange (this is orthogonal to anonymity, which is more about escaping politics, slavery, and the refusal to forgive and forget irrelevant factors[1]). We are tired of that Old World morass, power vacuum, slavery bullshit. Tired of that shit. Tired of that shit. Tired. Of. That. Shit.

Such businesses can produce added value: Interest, loyalty function, price, speed, guarantees, insurance, cool factor, advertisements and so on. They are necessary as long as the blockchain can not serve all transactions. There is no point in working against the appearance of these services, they will exist if they are profitable, and they will expand the bitcoin volume in existence with debt.

The crucial difference is no government sponsored deposit insurance and bailouts. Therefore, it is not the same as the banking fraud going on now.

It corrupts people because it is a power vacuum (no matter how localized at the genesis) and even in cases of upstanding intentions[2] because people get themselves into promises they can't keep, then are forced to corrupt themselves (e.g. making deals with politicians and cartels, etc).

[1]

CoinCube I pretty well fucked myself in that errant discretion area long ago, e.g. picture my resume "1994 - 2015 resided most of the time in Mindanao". So I had no choice but to exit the system and work for a system where the pedantic, irrelevant past can't matter. I assert that having a good record in the dying NWO system is of diminishing utility. Hope you cash in your NWO chips with good timing. A system which can't forgive the irrelevant is obviously bankrupted.

[2]

Randy Travis - Good Intentions If it's Reggie typing in 50000 tickers every hour ... there's plenty of other risk. <joke>Even if discounting the Jack Daniels attack.</joke>

[OROBTC]

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CoinCube

I would also note that Rand Paul is now under heavy fire from other members of the R-Team for his (probably) correct comments on the conservatives being partly responsible for creating ISIS.  At this point, Rand is at least showing the other 18 "R contenders" that he thinks for himself.  He is at least somewhat carrying on the libertarian example of his father.

Disclosure: I actually believe that there IS a dime's worth of difference (but not much more) between Rand Paul and Hillary.  Doubt me?  Well, get back to me if/when President H. Clinton takes the reigns.  Or six months after...

TPTB

I also accept the likely fact (TPTB) that a dime's worth of difference is not very meaningful.  But, a small difference can sometimes lead to big differences in outcome, reference:

Why Nations Fail (Acemoglu and Robinson) 2012

Sometimes small differences make all the difference...

EDIT:

Nice quotation of Linus Torvalds!  Meritocracy on display.  Perhaps people will one day utter your name with similar reverence...

[OROBTC]

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rpietila and vokain

My understanding of the Scriptures is still at a beginning level, but is one of my main foci now.  Thank you for your interesting takes on work and Jesus.  I need to study what you have written some more.

I would agree that the amount of "work" that most of us actually do is quite low.  And working for others (a "job") is not on my radar.  Guys like TPTB who actually are working very hard (and producing) are an anomaly now.

[rpietila]

Poll shows Rand Paul more competitive against Hillary Cinton than all other republican contenders.

Not a big deal because the primary results are competely cooked. I think it was in California 2008 that every voting district was announced to have voted less than 10% in favor of Ron Paul (and 30%+ of McCain), despite it being common knowledge to everyone there that McCain had next to no support in some districts and Paul had a realistic chance to win the state.

Oh well.. Can't really see myself debating the U.S. voting system, that's a bit away from my core 

[vokain]

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rpietila and vokain

My understanding of the Scriptures is still at a beginning level, but is one of my main foci now.  Thank you for your interesting takes on work and Jesus.  I need to study what you have written some more.

I would agree that the amount of "work" that most of us actually do is quite low.  And working for others (a "job") is not on my radar.  Guys like TPTB who actually are working very hard (and producing) are an anomaly now.

It's honestly quite simple and easy, just 'Do good, be good". That's the only Work we truly have here, otherwise it'll just feel like work (i.e. if you do what you love/love what you do, it won't feel like work in the sense of unpleasantness).

[CoinCube]

出る釘は打たれる (deru kugi wa utareru) - "A nail that sticks out will be hammered"

Ross Ulbricht was sentenced to life in prison today without the possibility of parole the harshest sentence possible.
http://www.wired.com/2015/05/silk-road-creator-ross-ulbricht-sentenced-life-prison/

During the sentencing the judge had the following words for Ulbricht

“It (Silk Road) was a carefully planned life’s work. It was your opus,” she said. “You wanted it to be your legacy. And it is.”

[PenguinFire]

few bullet points from an insider:

http://delphicoracle.weebly.com/cobra-conference-part-5.html

This has been one of my most interesting reads in awhile. Thank you.

Really?

like really?

"The Secret Space Program

Those living on Mars will demand payment soon! This involves refineries and mining companies.  Virtually no one knows about this aspect of the programme. Those who do know are afraid to speak out.
All countries are involved in very big debts, because real money went off Earth."

I get SpaceX is been doing incredible things, but we are no where near living on mars lol.

Yeah, living on Mars is in the LONG term future.  I swear, with the amount of these types of threads you would think everyone here wants a permanent second, or third, great depression.

[TPTB_need_war]

https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/cryptography-researchers-users-face-jail-time-australia/

Australia is a member of the Five Eyes nations.

Indeed this shows how desperate they are. As with Napster, they will just drive the movement to anonymity.

出る釘は打たれる (deru kugi wa utareru) - "A nail that sticks out will be hammered"

Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole the harshest sentence possible.
http://www.wired.com/2015/05/silk-road-creator-ross-ulbricht-sentenced-life-prison/

Let's hope we can free him and the others from jail one day in the future, but it won't likely be soon.

Clearly the system is going to attempt to apply maximum punishment on any individual which creates something which has a huge market and is in defiance of the TPTB and their NWO plans.

“The stated purpose [of the Silk Road] was to be beyond the law. In the world you created over time, democracy didn’t exist. You were captain of the ship, the Dread Pirate Roberts,” she told Ulbricht as she read the sentence, referring to his pseudonym as the Silk Road’s leader. “Silk Road’s birth and presence asserted that its…creator was better than the laws of this country. This is deeply troubling, terribly misguided, and very dangerous.”

So assuming I believe I have finally stumbled onto the design for altcoin that would actually scale and resist centralization, I hope you all can understand why I am contemplating whether I should proceed or not.

The interaction here is valuable both in terms of learning about the thoughts, synergies and counter-points, but between personal pressures on me and the overall speed at which the system is progressing towards the totalitarian outcome, it is about time for me to retire from Bitcointalk so I can devote full-time to making some decisions and then working on my chosen direction(s). Note I do have a newly launched fledgling social network to attend to which is demonstrating some traction.

Any one who desires to have ongoing communication with me, please keep (permanently) a Bitmessage address on your Bitcointalk profile, make sure you have posted (anything) in one of the 4 threads I have been posting in recently. I will contact you when my free time allows. You must run your Bitmessage at least every other day (old messages are discarded from the network) and make sure you run it on a computer that can't be infected with any virus (i.e. hopefully not the same computer you surf the net from and download porn to!)

Bitmessage is the only means I am aware of for us to communicate where it can't be proven by the NSA whom was talking to whom.

The anonymity facilities on the internet are sorely lacking. This must change and pronto, if we are to avoid a Dark Age.

[TPTB_need_war]

It's not possible to build a currency on misanthropy.

You seem to often conflate orthogonal concerns. We can fight the global cancer which some 50% are individually aligned, while still having their best interests in mind[1].

Mass education...

There is no shortcut.

Paradigms don't shift by educating people to ignore their individual incentives and go for global optimization. Rather the waterfall crashes force the adjustments.

[1]	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=355212.msg11462546#msg11462546 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=355212.msg11469562#msg11469562

It is very much expected that the individual incentives are to be more concerned about the Bitcoin price than the greater implications of this totalitarianism and Ross's plight.

Individuals do not prioritize the global optimization of the society, but rather our own selfish incentives.

[TPTB_need_war]

Bitcoin is the only currency still works like gold and silver when about half of humanity is an adversary.

it won't work like gold when only 0.0000001% of the world's population think like us or have any exposure to Bitcoin due to the strangulation by 1MB blocks.

Cypherdoc please help me understand you (and others like you).

How do you envision the growth of Bitcoin changing the way sufficient other people behave or think such that this would avoid the current system wherein the individual incentives are aligned with the cartels and oligarchs (a.k.a. the 0.0001%, banksters or TPTB) in a socialism+totalitarian cancer?

My assertion to Justus upthread (on this page) is that the masses don't change via education nor by evolution, rather only by the revolution of suffering a dead end in the road.

Icebreaker seems to think that the minority can impose their will on the majority, but he needs to consider that the upper 0.01% gain their power by aligning their incentives with the lower 50% in collectivism. His minority (which is my minority, i.e. We The Upper Middle Class Knowledge Age Producers) which is perhaps the upper 0.1% or so, will not succeed for as long as we do not align ourselves with a greater proportion of the middle class (the upper 50%).

My plans going forward in crypto (if I do proceed) are about forming that middle class alliance that can lead to overtaking Bitcoin by 2033 as Bitcoin falls into the NWO morass of the 0.01% + lower 50%.

Cypherdoc you and others seem to think Bitcoin can somehow escape that morass of the 0.01% + lower 50%. How so?

Direct use of BTC by >0.0000001% of the world's population isn't necessary nor supportable.

0.0000001% of the world's population is only 7 people, you know  

Obviously it was a "rough" number. It would great if they would both clarify which demographics they are referring to.

Note when I write 0.01% there are is also another upper 1+% or so of the Middle Class that align themselves opportunitistically but this can shift if they shift allegiances. And this is why the TPTB wish to destroy the millionaires, because they are the "parasites" (from the elite's perspective) that drive antifragility (with shifting allegiance) and defy the totalitarian control of the elite.

[TPTB_need_war]

Ironically, when the wheels fall off of GavinCoin because of UXTO assplosions or whatever, these spurned core devs will be the ones Gavin and everyone else will turn to for solutions.  Typical "Oops I broke it, now you fix it" pointy-headed boss behavior!  

If persistent full 1mb blocks turn out to be an insurmountable problem, consensus to modify that limit would not need to be manufactured with lobbying and tales of impending dooom.

This stunt may generate the type of incalculable empirical feedback we need to ascertain how best to modify the max_block_size parameter.

Of course since it is artificial demand in the form of a stress-test that factor must be accounted for.

1. You seem to not be aware that $billions in capital (a lot of it not invested in BTC but rather VC investments in the space) is invested on the future of Bitcoin, and to make the future uncertain causes capital to become risk adverse. Gavin can't wait, because capital has to plan out the future.

2. You seem to assume centralization[1] can't solve every technical issue of scaling higher transaction rates. Wasn't Visa scale the initial goal? Is Visa not centralized? ("Damn it, but we want decentralization and we will early adopters will fork and short NWOcoin" is not a logical retort)

Come on man, come back to reality.

You seem to have developed an overconfidence from your early adopter decision, which you are projecting as correct analysis of the future. But where is the logic?

The utility of early adopters to Larry Summers has now diminished. He has used you successfully and is moving on. You can be discarded now.

You early adopters were bought at a very small cost by the banksters to help them launch the NWOcoin trojan horse. You are now expendable. They have already the inertia they need.

[1] IBLT is a fancy sugar coating on centralization to make geeks wet their pants again (see their Jesus) and be fooled, as they were with the original DEEP STATE whitepaper.