Economic Devastation

[hdbuck]

It is an 'Us' versus 'Them'. You need to accept that as fact.

more like an us vs us.

would you be different if "borned" on the other side?

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[coinits]

It is an 'Us' versus 'Them'. You need to accept that as fact.

I accept my freedom to opt out of that kind of thinking.

And I establish my freedom to think the way that I do.

[coinits]

It is an 'Us' versus 'Them'. You need to accept that as fact.

more like an us vs us.

would you be different if "borned" on the other side?

semantics - no way of knowing

I do believe that Democracy is one of the worst forms of governance that has ever existed. Just as bad as Communism and Fascism. 

[rpietila]

It is an 'Us' versus 'Them'. You need to accept that as fact.

The real 'Them' is a very small set of people, hundreds perhaps. My theory is that the top honchos do not have identity (proven by wealth distribution analysis that misses at minimum dozens of people from the top).

Then there is an elaborate network of tools, starting from the bilderbergers, going down to the underpaid rural primary school teacher who perpetuates brainwash from her small part.

The tools are the people in the matrix, their whole life is systematized to be the fuel to 'Them'. It does not really matter how high a person is in this tool hierarchy, he does not have power, nor freedom, and is generally mindless and does not realize it.

We should not think that the police who shoot unarmed people having a picnic through the head are 'Them'. In reality they are not much different from drones, in being so completely brainwashed that they cannot act morally. Yes, it is very evil to shoot people, but it does not make the police our enemies. Certainly every policeman who pulls the trigger ending the life of an innocent man, should be lynched for capital murder, but this is only for justice, it does not make them our enemy.

Nowadays the brainwash is so deep that preaching the gospel of grace (traditional Christian gospel of Jesus dying for your sins) is scarcely received in the west. The reason is that people are so drugged by the brainwash that they have no concept of sin, and do not know when they are committing sin, do not see the tower of sin that reaches heaven in the zionist conspiracy, etc.etc.

It is about time to start preaching the gospel of Kingdom.

[coinits]

It is an 'Us' versus 'Them'. You need to accept that as fact.

The real 'Them' is a very small set of people, hundreds perhaps. My theory is that the top honchos do not have identity (proven by wealth distribution analysis that misses at minimum dozens of people from the top).

Then there is an elaborate network of tools, starting from the bilderbergers, going down to the underpaid rural primary school teacher who perpetuates brainwash from her small part.

The tools are the people in the matrix, their whole life is systematized to be the fuel to 'Them'. It does not really matter how high a person is in this tool hierarchy, he does not have power, nor freedom, and is generally mindless and does not realize it.

We should not think that the police who shoot unarmed people having a picnic through the head are 'Them'. In reality they are not much different from drones, in being so completely brainwashed that they cannot act morally. Yes, it is very evil to shoot people, but it does not make the police our enemies. Certainly every policeman who pulls the trigger ending the life of an innocent man, should be lynched for capital murder, but this is only for justice, it does not make them our enemy.

Nowadays the brainwash is so deep that preaching the gospel of grace (traditional Christian gospel of Jesus dying for your sins) is scarcely received in the west. The reason is that people are so drugged by the brainwash that they have no concept of sin, and do not know when they are committing sin, do not see the tower of sin that reaches heaven in the zionist conspiracy, etc.etc.

It is about time to start preaching the gospel of Kingdom.

These people at the top of the pyramid are Satanists. They crave and feed off of blood lust and human sacrifice. They use their power & vast wealth to trickle down their evil throughout society corrupting one mind at a time. They are not in a hurry, they can take their time. A lot of people will think that this is all bullshit but to these elite it is not bullshit, it is a way of life.

[hdbuck]

It is an 'Us' versus 'Them'. You need to accept that as fact.

The real 'Them' is a very small set of people, hundreds perhaps. My theory is that the top honchos do not have identity (proven by wealth distribution analysis that misses at minimum dozens of people from the top).

Then there is an elaborate network of tools, starting from the bilderbergers, going down to the underpaid rural primary school teacher who perpetuates brainwash from her small part.

The tools are the people in the matrix, their whole life is systematized to be the fuel to 'Them'. It does not really matter how high a person is in this tool hierarchy, he does not have power, nor freedom, and is generally mindless and does not realize it.

We should not think that the police who shoot unarmed people having a picnic through the head are 'Them'. In reality they are not much different from drones, in being so completely brainwashed that they cannot act morally. Yes, it is very evil to shoot people, but it does not make the police our enemies. Certainly every policeman who pulls the trigger ending the life of an innocent man, should be lynched for capital murder, but this is only for justice, it does not make them our enemy.

Nowadays the brainwash is so deep that preaching the gospel of grace (traditional Christian gospel of Jesus dying for your sins) is scarcely received in the west. The reason is that people are so drugged by the brainwash that they have no concept of sin, and do not know when they are committing sin, do not see the tower of sin that reaches heaven in the zionist conspiracy, etc.etc.

It is about time to start preaching the gospel of Kingdom.

These people at the top of the pyramid are Satanists. They crave and feed off of blood lust and human sacrifice. They use their power & vast wealth to trickle down their evil throughout society corrupting one mind at a time. They are not in a hurry, they can take their time. A lot of people will think that this is all bullshit but to these elite it is not bullshit, it is a way of life.

sad, but true.

edit: otoh the sooner the antechrist, the sooner the return of the lord. so who/what will it be?

[coinits]

It is an 'Us' versus 'Them'. You need to accept that as fact.

The real 'Them' is a very small set of people, hundreds perhaps. My theory is that the top honchos do not have identity (proven by wealth distribution analysis that misses at minimum dozens of people from the top).

Then there is an elaborate network of tools, starting from the bilderbergers, going down to the underpaid rural primary school teacher who perpetuates brainwash from her small part.

The tools are the people in the matrix, their whole life is systematized to be the fuel to 'Them'. It does not really matter how high a person is in this tool hierarchy, he does not have power, nor freedom, and is generally mindless and does not realize it.

We should not think that the police who shoot unarmed people having a picnic through the head are 'Them'. In reality they are not much different from drones, in being so completely brainwashed that they cannot act morally. Yes, it is very evil to shoot people, but it does not make the police our enemies. Certainly every policeman who pulls the trigger ending the life of an innocent man, should be lynched for capital murder, but this is only for justice, it does not make them our enemy.

Nowadays the brainwash is so deep that preaching the gospel of grace (traditional Christian gospel of Jesus dying for your sins) is scarcely received in the west. The reason is that people are so drugged by the brainwash that they have no concept of sin, and do not know when they are committing sin, do not see the tower of sin that reaches heaven in the zionist conspiracy, etc.etc.

It is about time to start preaching the gospel of Kingdom.

These people at the top of the pyramid are Satanists. They crave and feed off of blood lust and human sacrifice. They use their power & vast wealth to trickle down their evil throughout society corrupting one mind at a time. They are not in a hurry, they can take their time. A lot of people will think that this is all bullshit but to these elite it is not bullshit, it is a way of life.

sad, but true.

edit: otoh the sooner the antechrist, the sooner the return of the lord. so who/what will it be?

A band member of The Scorpions went public in the past couple of days saying that he went to 'Snuff' parties with the rich and famous where they paid $100,000 each to watch live murders. If it is true then why haven't the authorities began an investigation?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDwBDs_TjM0

Sick fucks!

[TrueCryptonaire]

It is an 'Us' versus 'Them'. You need to accept that as fact.

The real 'Them' is a very small set of people, hundreds perhaps. My theory is that the top honchos do not have identity (proven by wealth distribution analysis that misses at minimum dozens of people from the top).

Then there is an elaborate network of tools, starting from the bilderbergers, going down to the underpaid rural primary school teacher who perpetuates brainwash from her small part.

The tools are the people in the matrix, their whole life is systematized to be the fuel to 'Them'. It does not really matter how high a person is in this tool hierarchy, he does not have power, nor freedom, and is generally mindless and does not realize it.

We should not think that the police who shoot unarmed people having a picnic through the head are 'Them'. In reality they are not much different from drones, in being so completely brainwashed that they cannot act morally. Yes, it is very evil to shoot people, but it does not make the police our enemies. Certainly every policeman who pulls the trigger ending the life of an innocent man, should be lynched for capital murder, but this is only for justice, it does not make them our enemy.

Nowadays the brainwash is so deep that preaching the gospel of grace (traditional Christian gospel of Jesus dying for your sins) is scarcely received in the west. The reason is that people are so drugged by the brainwash that they have no concept of sin, and do not know when they are committing sin, do not see the tower of sin that reaches heaven in the zionist conspiracy, etc.etc.

It is about time to start preaching the gospel of Kingdom.

These people at the top of the pyramid are Satanists. They crave and feed off of blood lust and human sacrifice. They use their power & vast wealth to trickle down their evil throughout society corrupting one mind at a time. They are not in a hurry, they can take their time. A lot of people will think that this is all bullshit but to these elite it is not bullshit, it is a way of life.

sad, but true.

edit: otoh the sooner the antechrist, the sooner the return of the lord. so who/what will it be?

You guys need the return of jesu only because jeshu never fulfilled even one prophecy that was required for a Messiah in the Jewish Scriptures.
Even in the New testament jeshu claims that God forsake him when he died on the cross for the punishment of his sins (=breaking the Shabbath which is a sin that a Jew deserves to be dead in God's laws and raising against the rabbis from which jeshu has a certain punishment I do not want to tell you here but you can find it pretty easily from the Talmud).
In the western media the western church has brainswashed people to believe in this nonesense and made people unable to think critically. If people were critisizing, there would be no one person left in the churches.

[vokain]

Turns out God is in us all, all along. No need to wait for anyone. We're all born from stars, after all.

[coinits]

Turns out God is in us all, all along. No need to wait for anyone. We're all born from stars, after all.

We are all of one consciousness experiencing reality in different human suits. We existed before being born into this realm and will continue when our human suit stops breathing.

[TPTB_need_war]

A band member of The Scorpions went public in the past couple of days saying that he went to 'Snuff' parties with the rich and famous where they paid $100,000 each to watch live murders. If it is true then why haven't the authorities began an investigation?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDwBDs_TjM0

Sick fucks!

Rosanne Barr wrote about this on her blog a couple of years ago (it was since removed), where she wrote they pay to masturbate to videos of entire African villages being raped, murdered, beheaded, burnt to toast, etc..

[TPTB_need_war]

now that we have money types that can navigate around these monopolies

Which money can resist takeover by centralization?

Sorry I don't see any such money that exists, not even gold.

Bitcoin has resisted takeover so far. A monopoly can not exist in the free market, there is always someone who eats from the edge of your plate. Monopoly can exist only by using violence. I don't see that it can exist in mining. The competition is merciless. The loss of productivity from unfreeness will immediately remove governmental miners from the scene.

Have some faith.

 

Faith in what? Faith in ignoring my analysis?

Have you completely ignored all my upthread posts detailing how the mining in Bitcoin is hopelessly trending to centralized?

Do I need to resummarize all the various reasons? You've forgotten for example the 21 Inc plan, the ongoing Sybil attack on pools, etc..

I just don't understand how I can write 100s of posts, not be refuted and yet some still pretend I didn't write the posts.

Groupthink? Selective comprehension? (difference of opinion due to refusal to comprehend the lack of refutation of my analysis, or reservations about the falsifiability and proof of my analysis)

You seem to believe the powers that shouldn't be have divine capabilities. They don't, in fact they are far less competent than the winning actors in the free market. They have to refill their resources all the time, by theft, and they only have the resources the public gives them.

Bitcoin (the Gavincoin fork) will die with the death of the NWO paradigm. That paradigm will enslave the people who can't make the shift the Knowledge Age, and those in that system will parasite on themselves until they have destroyed themselves. The NWO paradigm is a slow burn of eugenics. I am proposing an anonymous, decentralized crypto-currency to service the fledgling Knowledge Age and leave Bitcoin for the NWO which is was designed for. In the Economic Devastation and One-world reserve currency threads I have detailed my expectation for a bifurcation of the economy into NWO masses (stuck in the Old World Industrial Age, high fixed capital, socialism paradigm) and Knowledge Age future.

[TPTB_need_war]

Edit: Monero's other problem is there is not much demand to use it as a currency, thus afaik you have to cash out through Bitcoin (or fiat) thus in many scenarios reducing Monero to Bitcoin's attributes.

I think it is quite the contrary really.

I have used Monero for:

- wealth storage
- international payments and settlements
- denomination of contracts
- financial services eg options
- purchasing kitchen services, singing lessons, gym personal training, pizza, miscellaneous substances (5 "cash-like" things).

Random people are more eager to take Monero than Bitcoin in exchange for their services. I also am more interested to offer it because it's anonymous and so easy to use. It is self-evident that I will accept Monero in place of any other currency for all dues to me, in fact started this already nearly a year ago.

I don't get why you say there is no demand for XMR as currency.. for me it's more useful than Bitcoin, it can do all the same things but is private. This is not marketing, just an experiential fact.

If there exists already a widespread circulatory currency ecosystem, I am not aware of it. I have not seen the domain registrars I use accepting Monero. I know you are working on the game to further this aim.

I do not know the rate at which it is gaining acceptance as a currency.

I would like to see a crypto-currency with a very robust ecosystem that is on the order of Bitcoin's. I think I know how to do that.

Like I said, I'd be interested in retrofitting Monero than rolling a new coin, but I don't think I could profit well from doing that (nor reward investors) and also I think I would encounter too much resistance to the radical changes in design that I believe are necessary, which could stifle or slow down the process.

Also I do not like the leaderless paradigm of Monero. I don't believe that is how innovative design in open source gets done. Open source is superior at refining existing things (e.g. Cryptonote), but it usually sucks at radical innovation. For that, you need a leader. And leaders don't work for free. They work for equity in the creation of their babies.

I am grateful Monero exists. I am happy there can be a competition of ideas. Monero will be free to adopt and incorporate anything I might do if they wish to. It will all be open source. I think this is the optimum way for me to help and influence Monero, by competing with it. That is, if I decide to proceed. Still contemplating.

[TPTB_need_war]

There is no stopping the coming economic collapse. It can be delayed but not prevented. The mass populace will look to the governments and banksters to stop the collapse that they have engineered. The Hagealian Dialectic meal plan is serving sheep for dinner and it will be an all you can eat buffet.

The new Knowledge Age will never arrive in time because the vast majority do not want it. Also it you are thinking that today's youth will adopt the new paradigm think again. This generation of youth is the most brain dead comatose generation to ever come along. They've got smart Devices that allow them to air their life story on social media. They are a lost cause. They are slaves to the machine.

I find your lack of faith disturbing...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=share&v=fW8amMCVAJQ


And, whose generation did my generation have to be parented from again?  

I saw that video years ago.

I was that dancing guy. That is me. The guy who isn't inhibited and shows up at the party and gets everyone off the couch and onto the dance floor.

Leaders lead. It is just something innate. We aren't afraid. We are confident that we know what is fun or better and just go for it. Sometimes we fail, but don't sulk and just get up and try again.

The youth are more capable of making a transition in the sense that they are young and more flexible, but coinits is also correct in the sense that such transitions take time because there is no way for leaders like me or the dancing guy to interact with all the people in real life. In reality what happens is that any mass movements are co-opted by the existing groupthink inertia (political correctness, powers-that-be, etc).

In short, there is a difference between what I am confident I can do in personal interaction and what I know will scale. Seems many Bitcoin supporters can't make that crucial distinction.

[TPTB_need_war]

It is an 'Us' versus 'Them'. You need to accept that as fact.

The real 'Them' is a very small set of people, hundreds perhaps. My theory is that the top honchos do not have identity (proven by wealth distribution analysis that misses at minimum dozens of people from the top).

Then there is an elaborate network of tools, starting from the bilderbergers, going down to the underpaid rural primary school teacher who perpetuates brainwash from her small part.

The tools are the people in the matrix, their whole life is systematized to be the fuel to 'Them'. It does not really matter how high a person is in this tool hierarchy, he does not have power, nor freedom, and is generally mindless and does not realize it.

We should not think that the police who shoot unarmed people having a picnic through the head are 'Them'. In reality they are not much different from drones, in being so completely brainwashed that they cannot act morally. Yes, it is very evil to shoot people, but it does not make the police our enemies.

Very well summarized. But only the quoted portion.

[TPTB_need_war]

Cypherdoc, your (very typical groupthink) myopia is that you equate the mass media's promotion of the corruption in the nation-states and central banks as an awakening of a mass movement against central banking and legal tender laws.

As usual the powers-that-be have managed to engineer the propaganda so that you fight yourself while thinking you are fighting the enemy. This is no different than when Napoleon fooled the people he was fighting into believing he was liberating them from oppression (thus making his military victories easy because the other side didn't even fight). You are analogously fooled as are the Occupation Wallstreet movement is fooled in making the assumption that it is the "99% versus the 1%", wherein the protestors will advocate punitively taxing the "1%" which in reality ends up being a punitive tax on themselves every damn time (because of some immutable laws of economics).

You are tuning out now to information because you prefer your delusion. The world is populated by zombies like you, which is why there won't be any mass awakening. The elite have given you the propaganda you desired so you can go seek your delusion (until it blows up in your face some years from now[1]; people don't change course until they hit a dead end).

Your myopia is you don't grasp certain immutable laws of political economics and the scaling of mass belief systems. This is nearly impossible to articulate to a person who is unwilling to study the natural repeating patterns in history and then conclude scientifically the distinction between ideology and reality.

In short, you've abandoned the scientific method. Your sample sizes are too small in time. You refuse to study history.

I know. I know. "It is different this time".    

(you hard money zombies are all similarly deluded)

[1] The youth can never be told to respect the wisdom of what has already been learned. They have to go burn their hands and gain wisdom.

[TPTB_need_war]

i already addressed those things.  and i said you got it backwards.

we know this b/c of what happened in 2008.  who got bailed out?  the banksters or the ppl who took the loans.  ans:  the banksters.

What logic is that? You are asserting that because the banksters got bailed out, then the People got harmed thus you assert it must be the case that they People will have an awakening.

But if you study history, analogous forms of corruption have been repeating over and over again throughout all human history and the People never wake up. As I explained to you by example, even where they thought they were fighting oppression by joining Napoleon (by refusing to fight when he came to conquer their lands) analogous to Bitcoin supporters who imagine they are fighting oppression with Bitcoin when in fact in both cases (and all cases in human history) you are just supporting another head of the monster the elite have manufactured (or co-opt).

What was the result of your IQ test? Seriously. You don't even consider that your logic does not follow. There is no logical reason that the People must wake up when they've been fucked in the ass by the system. For them do so, requires not only that they understand how they have been harmed but also what is the correct action to rectify their plight. They get particularly misdirected on the latter.

Instead of ASS-U-ming your logic requires your conclusion, you must use the scientific method to test your theory and by studying history we can see the People never do wake up. Then we can start to reason about why they never do. And I have explained it to you upthread. Humans are easily deluded because their self-interests conflict with the global optimization. Although on a local level, I could dance in front of a group of humans and inspire them to choose freedom over conformance, in terms of scaling the mass belief systems, the powers-that-be (TPTB) have a natural advantage because the individual self-interests of the masses are not aligned with looking at the reality of the actual situation BEHIND THE CURTAIN. Instead they are easily swayed to follow delusions (the ass of the sheep in front of them) such as "gouge the 1% with punitive taxes" (Did you not watch the Youtube debates between Peter Schiff and the Operation Wallstreet youth?). And "thanks to Obama, I don't have to pay my rent any more" (have you not seen the Youtude?).

Come on man get a grip on reality. Go out into the street and talk to random people and you will learn that your armchair theories are complete bullshit.

In 1992, I went house-to-house and talked to people all ages (from young couples to grandmothers) as a volunteer for the Ross Perot 1992 POTUS campaign. I saw that people would listen to me, but they wouldn't be able to carry it forward in terms of complete understanding and action. I learned that people have other incentives that are driving their lives and they don't have the focus to become experts on politics, what is actually going on behind the curtain, and what to best do about it.

The people have become more aware that there is massive corruption. But their solutions are to hand more power to the TPTB with regulatory actions such as massive support for the unconstitutional power grab of the FCC regulation of Net Neutrality. Their angst is directed towards supporting the powers-that-be who have regulatory capture. They will end up supporting regulation of Bitcoin which unwittingly hands it to TPTB.

The people don't have the focus and diligence to monitor and maintain a decentralized Bitcoin when the natural incentives are towards centralization. If you want a crypto-coin to remain decentralized, then it must do so natural not because of diligence of the masses who are preoccupied on their own personal lives and (often mutually conflicting, e.g. abortion, gay rights, etc) self-interests.

I do not respect your ignorance. And I do not appreciate you asserting that you any where near my level of cognition of these matters. The Dunning-Kruger effect is too blatantly obvious here and I don't know what to do other than wasting my time trying to spank (your young cocky ass) with you words hoping you might gain some appreciation. But I observe you are too boastful to realize.

As Armstrong says, study history because it is catalog of repeating outcomes that we should learn from but never do.

and that is precisely b/c the ppl with the loans were not in fact in control and demanding of the loans they received; they were hoodwinked into taking easy no doc loans by banksters

The poor fuckers who got a house and shouldn't have. As if they had no desire to get a house.  

What happened is the perfectly natural outcome of the power vacuum I have explained to you over the past 2 - 3 pages of this thread. But you can't seem to grasp that and want to delude yourself into believing that the problem lies on the side of the banksters. The problem is a natural phenomenon that always repeats because a power vacuum is an unstable state of matter and sucks in the corruption. Until you eliminate the power vacuum, you are just deluding yourself. You won't be able to change the fact that individuals prioritize their self-interest and not the global optimization. Bitcoin can't get you there because it is not immutably decentralized and anonymous without diligence from the People, the lack of which causes the power vacuum in the first place. In short, you are a dog chasing your tail and you don't even realize it.

who knew they were going to win no matter what happened.  as it turned out, they rode the loan  mkt up with mark to market and when the market turned around they subverted the rule of law and went to mark to model.  then, when the shit really hit the fan, they went before Congress and threatened to blow up the whole economy unless they received bailouts.  and who went to bat for them in this time of crisis according to the playbook?  Bernanke, Paulson, & Geithner.  so the banksters got bailed out despite 80% disapproval by the American public, ordinary ppl lost their homes, the toxic debt got shifted over to the Fed and the American ppl got their USD debased by $4T in new money printing.  the gvt has since more than doubled the national debt to re-pump stocks to the banksters benefit.  so just who is in control?  certainly not the ppl as you suggest.

I never stated the People are in control. I said the People are implicitly complicit because their self-interests do not align with your delusion of them being focused on optimizing global causes. The control over money is a global cause that requires an extreme amount expertise and dedication of life that only very few of us experts can justify, and thus it is not a self-interested priority (focus) for the masses, a.k.a. the People.

and you expect all of us to believe that TPTB are going to just give up this ideal system they control with a free printing press while they roll the dice with a system that has the potential to ruin their party?  how risky and insane is that?  and then somehow they will  hit the Digital Kill Switch and drive us all into a Great Depression?  so what monetary system takes over when that happens?  what happens to all their big corporate partners?  what will all the banks do?  what a crock.

They are not giving up anything by destroying the national central banks and moving to a one-world reserve currency system. They are doing creative destruction and using a massive crisis to usher in a greater level of totalitarian, corporate-fascist control.

I have provided the link to the following thread numerous times, but you apparently still haven't read it:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=985481.0

It is all explained there for you. And 29% of readers get it and agree.

They are not rolling any dice. They have a masterful plan which by now appears to be quite inescapable. Planting Bitcoin was a masterful coup getting you deluded fools to chase your own tail and fight for their cause.

Driving us into a Greater Depression (more so with FATCA and other large scale aspects, than Bitcoin as the Digital Kill Switch which is more of future concern) will bring about the political support amongst the masses for a global compromise on central banking to take the power away from the USA dollar and move it to an international cooperation (consensus) in a multi-polar world, a.k.a. the one-world reserve currency. There is no way the People would agree if they were not suffering. The People have many competing self-interests. It is only by bringing the People to their knees in massive war and suffering can they be made to plead for a global consensus. They will see that the nation-state model has utterly failed them (of course fabricated to fail and with manufactured conflicts, all from TPTB).


Edit: that you frame the issue in your mind as one of who is in control demonstrates simpleton conceptualization of the issue. You need to look at the incentives in the system and the structure of the system. Even TPTB are not in control. Btw, I am just saying "young cocky ass" in jest. Your fervor is what I expect from an ideological younger person, but the problem is when your fervor exceeds your conceptualization. If you are willing to actually dig in and consider the model I have presented, then we can have an intelligent and cordial dialogue.

[TPTB_need_war]

And the following is an example of the masses who are waking up as they discover Bitcoin?

2. he was using bitcoin and not fiat ie he was successfully running a commercial operation with bitcoin. This is good news. It was however found what he was connected to (drugs etc) was against the law so he is off to prison but he would have gone to prison for doing the same things using fiat.

Bitcoin's raison d'être is to be a xerox of fiat in the sense of allowing the government to regulate commerce and legal tender? I thought Bitcoin was supposed to enable permission-less commerce.

Never mind the small details. Carry on.

[rpietila]

Very well summarized. But only the quoted portion.

The situation is indeed strange. God has explained what will happen in the last ages, and many Christians are praying for it, but they don't have so much detailed understanding how the things operate currently, and cannot much help God in this matter.

On the other hand, there are a lot of people devoted to fight or fend off the kosmos™ world system without subjecting themselves to God's rule, which disqualifies them from effective action as well.

It'll be interesting to see when the convergence happens

[kodtycoon]

Tptb, I agree with much of what you are saying in regards to centralisation, control etc. this may be an interesting read for you as it solves many of the issues prevelant in bitcoin

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7wAe2jt1MMzYVJhUUFnMHQxZ1U/view?pli=1