8th Alt coin thread. Or what to do now that asics are all over the place.

[ZedZedNova]

If you are interested in Solar, HomePower is a decent publication to get (digital issues/print issues, access to all back copies in digital PDF format).  You can do small solar pretty easily with good crimpers, Chinese connectors, and so forth.

Thanks for the info. I'll check HomePower out.

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[xleejohnx]

I kinda miss buying s3's for $40, mining for 3-4 months then selling them for $60 and finding another for $40 to take its place....

Who knows the s-9  may be under 400 or 500 soon

here they are for 749 on ebay

https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Bitmain-Antminer-S9i-14T-May-batch-ship-now/132631743423?

That’s what I’m waiting for!!!
those s9 to drop below 500$ so I can buy a couple of them

If the D3s drop below 200$ I’m going to grab a few more

[citronick]

I kinda miss buying s3's for $40, mining for 3-4 months then selling them for $60 and finding another for $40 to take its place....

Who knows the s-9  may be under 400 or 500 soon

here they are for 749 on ebay

https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Bitmain-Antminer-S9i-14T-May-batch-ship-now/132631743423?

That’s what I’m waiting for!!!
those s9 to drop below 500$ so I can buy a couple of them

The GMO 24TH miner runs at just under 2k/watts

If you are running a farm, power consumption, savings is key.

Also the new 7nm design, likely produces less heat and reduce overall cooling cost.

So overall, the new GMO miner could be a better deal overall for farms in the long term.

Warranty wise, I do hope GMO have better support.

Bitmain has notorious poor support, long RMA and failure rate.

The 92 out of 108 S9 units we purchased in June 2016 are still running now.... 16 units did survive - out of warranty and without part replacement.

The A721, A741 = total 323 units however ... every single one is still online. Best performance these Avalons.

We did however do fan replacement in older A721s and few power boards, but they are back hashing.

[R0mi]

<snip>
i think us gpu guys neen more small easy projects like this to maximize our earnings
theres so many factors against us we cant have pools skimming too.  I have no issues with a low 1% fee but then to not ever pay those 130% and 150 % block days like ever? reeks of. theft imo.

Yes.  Exactly this.

[philipma1957]

Yes, but let's dust off the MagikSmoke 8 ball and look at the next few months:
-snip-

Great analysis and summary of GPU outlook overall. This should be stickied for all those still asking "will GPU mining still be profitable?"

I'd like to get your opinion though, does this mean to you that the best time to sell GPUs would be today? I'm asking because i'm curious if we can still ride out our GPUs for 1 or 2 more months before the shit hits the fan. I'm pretty happy with ROI and all the coins i already have for long-term holding.

I sold off my 1070's.  Sold off my RX 480s.  I reduced my 1080 Ti's but keeping some, and keeping my Vega's for now.  I do think 1080 Ti's are not going to go to $0 any time soon but I do keep a watch on eBay.  If you've gotten your purchase price back out of them, not as big an issue.

Never had an ASIC miner until this year, and boy has that been a turn off.  I ordered one of the Senseless modded FPGAs.  Happy to share with the group how that goes once I get it.

In the meantime, I've got to dig out a small manual I put together on how to setup a *small* solar system.  I'll post it when I find it.  It's not that difficult to do on a small scale.  There are some good YouTube videos on how to make the connections, etc.  The tools needed are cheap:  Harbor Freight crimping tool, bulk connectors from ebay (China Post), inverters depending on what you want to do, or battery controllers.  Main advice is this: if you buy panels, get the largest wattage that are cheap.  Don't waste your money on 100w panels.  Start with a 200+w or 300w panel.  There are some crazy sales on those every now and then.  CargoLargo was dumping a bunch a few years ago, and that kind of opportunity is not uncommon.  And remember that DC only travels a short distance before significant losses; AC travels much further -- so place your inverters on or close to the panels, do the long runs with AC.

For 2018, here is what I like:  smaller honest pools like what Marvell2 has done.  I'd like to see others in the group follow.  Solar power where you can fit it in like Phil has been mentioning.  And I do think FPGAs are going to be the next wave, but that's just my educated guess.  YMMV.  Oh, and screw Bitmain.  I kept an open mind on them until I experienced up close and personal how they work.  How can a billion $ + company have such completely crappy service?  Wonders never cease.

Edit:  Please no more of these "kudos" to Vorrick or for that matter Zooko.  Tools, nothing more than tools...

we Try to get 200-230 watt panels  at 20 cents a watt or less. We can do this  at auctions of new old stock.

http://sepbatteries.com/ecosolargy-230w-poly-crystalline-solar-module?gclid=CjwKCAjw9e3YBRBcEiwAzjCJuolmm5yZWCBbii562Sy355bQTVhVhQZCgbk4m4QsQCvCwwwL5c7LMxoCsYYQAvD_BwE

we sometimes get this under 50 bucks. 7 at 50 give 1600 watts for 350 usd  it is about 3 by 5  well 39 inch by 64 inch

you need 7 of them  to run an s9 for about 5 hours a day

http://sepbatteries.com/trina-310-watt-tsm-310pd14?gclid=CjwKCAjw9e3YBRBcEiwAzjCJutlBzUkSK_DiijhNqGCna7eU7Zg0Va-bNCJ6om25iqvOLIgyzJiqjhoCDhMQAvD_BwE

this one cost more hard to get under 100  it is about 3 by 6    5 of these  would be a 15 by 6 foot row.  and provide about 1500 watts 5 hours a day . cost of  500

the key is find deals have space for a row.

you need an inverter/converter plus some wires.

if you have a spot and get this setup for 1000 bucks you could see 7.5 kwatts a day for more then 10 years  that is 7.5 x 365 x 10 = 27000 kwatts of prepaid power so to speak.

So is it worth it ?  well it makes mining gear of any kind earn money since the power cost is up front.

if you get 27,000 kwatts for 1000 you paid under 4 cents a kwatt.

as this project goes on  our goal will be well priced panels  and well priced converter/inverter as a diy kit.

I have multiple photos of   a doghouse to house the miners

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4415357.msg39741539#msg39741539

that doghouse setup is well under 100 bucks.  So since the row of solar is say 15 by 6 or maybe 18 by 5  the doghouse size is not much of an issue.


the panels I show above are too costly at those links.

the 230 watt is listed for 101 usd it needs to be 50 usd or less
the 310 watt is listed for 145 usd it needs to be 100 usd or less

you need a 1600 watt inverter/converter with good warranty.

buysolar has 7 230 watts panels wired I have the doghouse setup we are waiting on inverters. to fully test.


As a small system 1400 to 1800 watts would be max.  to be practical.
no grid tie
no battery

and
4 hours north               6.0 kwatts
5 hours less north         7.5 kwatts
6 hours more south       9.0 kwatts.

We are sure about the enclosure
we are sure about the panels
eth wires etc all pretty sure.
inverter/converter is our unknown it needs to be good and not costly and water resistant /proof

[Marvell2]

Yes, but let's dust off the MagikSmoke 8 ball and look at the next few months:
-snip-

Great analysis and summary of GPU outlook overall. This should be stickied for all those still asking "will GPU mining still be profitable?"

I'd like to get your opinion though, does this mean to you that the best time to sell GPUs would be today? I'm asking because i'm curious if we can still ride out our GPUs for 1 or 2 more months before the shit hits the fan. I'm pretty happy with ROI and all the coins i already have for long-term holding.

I sold off my 1070's.  Sold off my RX 480s.  I reduced my 1080 Ti's but keeping some, and keeping my Vega's for now.  I do think 1080 Ti's are not going to go to $0 any time soon but I do keep a watch on eBay.  If you've gotten your purchase price back out of them, not as big an issue.

Never had an ASIC miner until this year, and boy has that been a turn off.  I ordered one of the Senseless modded FPGAs.  Happy to share with the group how that goes once I get it.

In the meantime, I've got to dig out a small manual I put together on how to setup a *small* solar system.  I'll post it when I find it.  It's not that difficult to do on a small scale.  There are some good YouTube videos on how to make the connections, etc.  The tools needed are cheap:  Harbor Freight crimping tool, bulk connectors from ebay (China Post), inverters depending on what you want to do, or battery controllers.  Main advice is this: if you buy panels, get the largest wattage that are cheap.  Don't waste your money on 100w panels.  Start with a 200+w or 300w panel.  There are some crazy sales on those every now and then.  CargoLargo was dumping a bunch a few years ago, and that kind of opportunity is not uncommon.  And remember that DC only travels a short distance before significant losses; AC travels much further -- so place your inverters on or close to the panels, do the long runs with AC.

For 2018, here is what I like:  smaller honest pools like what Marvell2 has done.  I'd like to see others in the group follow.  Solar power where you can fit it in like Phil has been mentioning.  And I do think FPGAs are going to be the next wave, but that's just my educated guess.  YMMV.  Oh, and screw Bitmain.  I kept an open mind on them until I experienced up close and personal how they work.  How can a billion $ + company have such completely crappy service?  Wonders never cease.

Edit:  Please no more of these "kudos" to Vorrick or for that matter Zooko.  Tools, nothing more than tools...

we Try to get 200-230 watt panels  at 20 cents a watt or less. We can do this  at auctions of new old stock.

http://sepbatteries.com/ecosolargy-230w-poly-crystalline-solar-module?gclid=CjwKCAjw9e3YBRBcEiwAzjCJuolmm5yZWCBbii562Sy355bQTVhVhQZCgbk4m4QsQCvCwwwL5c7LMxoCsYYQAvD_BwE

we sometimes get this under 50 bucks. 7 at 50 give 1600 watts for 350 usd  it is about 3 by 5  well 39 inch by 64 inch

you need 7 of them  to run an s9 for about 5 hours a day

http://sepbatteries.com/trina-310-watt-tsm-310pd14?gclid=CjwKCAjw9e3YBRBcEiwAzjCJutlBzUkSK_DiijhNqGCna7eU7Zg0Va-bNCJ6om25iqvOLIgyzJiqjhoCDhMQAvD_BwE

this one cost more hard to get under 100  it is about 3 by 6    5 of these  would be a 15 by 6 foot row.  and provide about 1500 watts 5 hours a day . cost of  500

the key is find deals have space for a row.

you need an inverter/converter plus some wires.

if you have a spot and get this setup for 1000 bucks you could see 7.5 kwatts a day for more then 10 years  that is 7.5 x 365 x 10 = 27000 kwatts of prepaid power so to speak.

So is it worth it ?  well it makes mining gear of any kind earn money since the power cost is up front.

if you get 27,000 kwatts for 1000 you paid under 4 cents a kwatt.

as this project goes on  our goal will be well priced panels  and well priced converter/inverter as a diy kit.

I have multiple photos of   a doghouse to house the miners

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4415357.msg39741539#msg39741539

that doghouse setup is well under 100 bucks.  So since the row of solar is say 15 by 6 or maybe 18 by 5  the doghouse size is not much of an issue.


the panels I show above are too costly at those links.

the 230 watt is listed for 101 usd it needs to be 50 usd or less
the 310 watt is listed for 145 usd it needs to be 100 usd or less

you need a 1600 watt inverter/converter with good warranty.

buysolar has 7 230 watts panels wired I have the doghouse setup we are waiting on inverters. to fully test.


As a small system 1400 to 1800 watts would be max.  to be practical.
no grid tie
no battery

and
4 hours north               6.0 kwatts
5 hours less north         7.5 kwatts
6 hours more south       9.0 kwatts.

We are sure about the enclosure
we are sure about the panels
eth wires etc all pretty sure.
inverter/converter is our unknown it needs to be good and not costly and water resistant /proof

Im definitely going solar myself in a year or two, ill probably buy all the hardware and find someone to install it, I have a large roof, garage and also plan on building a mining shed to house more solar stuff.  My only concern is grid tie in and stuff like that for permits .. that and finding a competent installer

[nsummy]

Yes, but let's dust off the MagikSmoke 8 ball and look at the next few months:
-snip-

Great analysis and summary of GPU outlook overall. This should be stickied for all those still asking "will GPU mining still be profitable?"

I'd like to get your opinion though, does this mean to you that the best time to sell GPUs would be today? I'm asking because i'm curious if we can still ride out our GPUs for 1 or 2 more months before the shit hits the fan. I'm pretty happy with ROI and all the coins i already have for long-term holding.

I sold off my 1070's.  Sold off my RX 480s.  I reduced my 1080 Ti's but keeping some, and keeping my Vega's for now.  I do think 1080 Ti's are not going to go to $0 any time soon but I do keep a watch on eBay.  If you've gotten your purchase price back out of them, not as big an issue.

Never had an ASIC miner until this year, and boy has that been a turn off.  I ordered one of the Senseless modded FPGAs.  Happy to share with the group how that goes once I get it.

In the meantime, I've got to dig out a small manual I put together on how to setup a *small* solar system.  I'll post it when I find it.  It's not that difficult to do on a small scale.  There are some good YouTube videos on how to make the connections, etc.  The tools needed are cheap:  Harbor Freight crimping tool, bulk connectors from ebay (China Post), inverters depending on what you want to do, or battery controllers.  Main advice is this:  if you buy panels, get the largest wattage that are cheap.  Don't waste your money on 100w panels.  Start with a 200+w or 300w panel.  There are some crazy sales on those every now and then.  CargoLargo was dumping a bunch a few years ago, and that kind of opportunity is not uncommon.  And remember that DC only travels a short distance before significant losses; AC travels much further -- so place your inverters on or close to the panels, do the long runs with AC.

For 2018, here is what I like:  smaller honest pools like what Marvell2 has done.  I'd like to see others in the group follow.  Solar power where you can fit it in like Phil has been mentioning.  And I do think FPGAs are going to be the next wave, but that's just my educated guess.  YMMV.  Oh, and screw Bitmain.  I kept an open mind on them until I experienced up close and personal how they work.  How can a billion $ + company have such completely crappy service?  Wonders never cease.

Edit:  Please no more of these "kudos" to Vorrick or for that matter Zooko.  Tools, nothing more than tools...

Is there a reason you sold your 1070s but kept the 1080tis?  I have a small operation; 2 1080s, 2 1070s, 1 1050ti,  all purchased last year refurbished from EVGA, so I got them for under retail.  Trying to determine when the best time to unload these things are.  Profits are way down but they are obviously still profits.  New Nvidia cards coming out at some point in the next 6 months and of course the fpga thing, which also seems to be a few months away.  Almost makes me wonder if I should cash out now and put the proceeds into bitcoin as I think that will rebound higher in 2 months than any mining will provide.

[martyroz]

I'm looking at converting a few rigs from USB/nvOC to SSD/Windows.

What's the cheapest way of achieving this? $40 120GB SSD? will it run on 60-64GB SSD?
Do I need a particular version of Windows to get 7-8 GPU (nvidia) working? or just Windows 10 patched up to date?

[jimmykl]

I'm looking at converting a few rigs from USB/nvOC to SSD/Windows.

What's the cheapest way of achieving this? $40 120GB SSD? will it run on 60-64GB SSD?
Do I need a particular version of Windows to get 7-8 GPU (nvidia) working? or just Windows 10 patched up to date?

I'd recommend 120GB to be safe. I tried saving a few bucks on smaller SSDs but when I upgraded some rigs to cards with more ram windows needed more pagefile so I ended up upgrading the SSDs anyway.

Win 10 is good with 7-8 GPU out of the box. Try and lockdown updates so you can choose when/if to update rather than waking up and finding everything offline.

[philipma1957]

Problems abound due to the huge fall runup.

Bitmain saw really big profits last year.


So much so they got ideas on what to do with excess profits.

I find it very interesting that  innosilicon now has

A better zec miner more hash less power.
A better decred miner more hash less power.
A better sia miner more hash less power.
A better sha miner more hash less power.

As compared to bitmain.

Yeah bitmain is cheaper but the specs are better for innosilicon.

This kind of proves how ridiculous it is that people are howling for hardforks every time a new asic comes out.  Obviously they are butthurt that their GPUs will no longer be as profitable.  But when multiple companies are making ASIC miners and competing with each other, how exactly does that cause centralization?  No different than only 2 GPU companies competing.   The notion of decentralization based on expensive and inefficient but widely available (though availability is a subjective term) GPUs is kind of idiotic.  It would almost be like rules requiring all prospectors to use pans from the 1800s for gold mining because its more fair than large companies with industrial equipment.

I ask for no nasty attacks you did a nasty attack I deleted this.

This thread is not to say asics rule gpus suck and fpga's are tripping ..

All three have a place in the game. I don't want to discuss why the game fails without all three and even cpus are needed for the game to work.

If you choose to be all asic good it is your choice. If you choose to be inclusive also good that is your choice.
If you choose to insult gpu miners in this thread or insult asic miners or insult fpga miners or insult cpu miners with terms like butthurt or idiotic  I delete it.

back to the thread.  solar has some value in smaller ops off grid.

buysolar has spent months looking for a good inverter converter power source for a 1000 to 1600 watt setup.

My push is in this direction here is why.

Lets take sha-256 asics 

 I own t1
avalon 841
s9
s9i on the way.  all of them run about 92 to 110 watts per th

the new go B2 lists at 81 watts per th.

even if bitmain and avalon do 7nm  they will not go much better then 75 watts per 1 th.

so do some math if the solar setup I get built comes to 4 cent a kwatt over ten years

vs 10 cents a watt buying from a hosting service.

it is viable  to run a 110 watt per th miner
vs a 75 watt per th miner.

So the game goes back to low power cost = winner winner chicken dinner.

[R0mi]

I'm looking at converting a few rigs from USB/nvOC to SSD/Windows.

What's the cheapest way of achieving this? $40 120GB SSD? will it run on 60-64GB SSD?
Do I need a particular version of Windows to get 7-8 GPU (nvidia) working? or just Windows 10 patched up to date?

Get 120GB or even 256GB.  Windows 10 will mostly make your life easier but when you have everything set up, turn off the updates. Somewhere in this thread, within the past month or so, there were some links to som e good utilities to help stop with the Windows updates.  Windows 10 Fall Creators Update worked well across a number of rigs, Nvidia/AMD cards, I think that is 1703 but would have to check.

With Windows, a 60GB SSD probably isn't going to cut it for very long.

[philipma1957]

 a sale for 256 gb ssd


 https://www.ebay.com/itm/Samsung-MZ-76P2T0BW-860-PRO-Solid-state-drive-256GB-SATA-III-2-5-inch-512-MB/222902404409?

use this coupon PERFECT10  10% off  112 net.  and if you use https://www.ebates.com/ebay  1% plus 1 % bucks plus 2 %   pay with paypal cc

so 112 - 4 = 108  and it is a pro version ssd.




or take a shot on this one at 65 bucks

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mushkin-TRIACTOR-3DL-256GB-Internal-Solid-State-Drive-SSD-2-5-Inch-SA/183099268676?hash=item2aa1911e44:g:r40AAOSwRkBalbYO

[arielbit]

What do you guys think about BCI (Bitcoin Interest)? Lately I see it has good profit for equihash algo if we trust whattomine says.
I'm not sure about this one, that's why I'm asking you

don't know much


https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin-interest/

https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin-interest/#markets

opened as high as 21 usd  now at 5 or 6

Now I looked at it. It is paying about 2% interest  a month.

I simply fail to see how they can pay 2% a month. 18 million of 21 million coins have been mined.

This coin reminds me of ppc

I won’t get involved in pos/pow coins that pay interest.

I won’t get involved in pos coin that pay interest.

I fail to see how these coins can generate 2% a month.

I own POS coins...if i like it i hold them..i got a coin with 1% interest per year

there is an obvious advantage if it is still a small marketcap coin....at least miners are not constantly dumping and putting pressure on buy orders/support-works if it will take a bit longer time for development and devs still have to work on things. a multipool can also work as a mining option that mines other coins, dump them and buy a POS coin..... also it incentives users for holding them since it earns interest..

well i'm a crypto guy..i'm always open whatever is on the table..

there is a sure thing here in crypto...that's "innovation" my GPUs are now more beefy, compared in the past 5 years...there will always be a next big thing or the next big/medium/small pump and dump ..imagine my GPUs now, what if, it is what it is when ethereum is launched?

i always looked at a coin and imagine long term...but always remember to take profits  

folks...remember when you look at coin emission curve, do you see USD?...you see XMR, BTC, ETH and so on hehe..

I agree on phil's renewable energy upgrade route..next time he could care less on gear being outdated or coins profitability as long as it is profitable enough..it will be all about if he has enough time and energy to maximize profits.

[trillobeat]

Any updated link to Marvell2's discord for the rvn pool?

all posted have expired 

[nsummy]

Problems abound due to the huge fall runup.

Bitmain saw really big profits last year.


So much so they got ideas on what to do with excess profits.

I find it very interesting that  innosilicon now has

A better zec miner more hash less power.
A better decred miner more hash less power.
A better sia miner more hash less power.
A better sha miner more hash less power.

As compared to bitmain.

Yeah bitmain is cheaper but the specs are better for innosilicon.

This kind of proves how ridiculous it is that people are howling for hardforks every time a new asic comes out.  Obviously they are butthurt that their GPUs will no longer be as profitable.  But when multiple companies are making ASIC miners and competing with each other, how exactly does that cause centralization?  No different than only 2 GPU companies competing.   The notion of decentralization based on expensive and inefficient but widely available (though availability is a subjective term) GPUs is kind of idiotic.  It would almost be like rules requiring all prospectors to use pans from the 1800s for gold mining because its more fair than large companies with industrial equipment.

I ask for no nasty attacks you did a nasty attack I deleted this.

This thread is not to say asics rule gpus suck and fpga's are tripping ..

All three have a place in the game. I don't want to discuss why the game fails without all three and even cpus are needed for the game to work.

If you choose to be all asic good it is your choice. If you choose to be inclusive also good that is your choice.
If you choose to insult gpu miners in this thread or insult asic miners or insult fpga miners or insult cpu miners with terms like butthurt or idiotic  I delete it.

back to the thread.  solar has some value in smaller ops off grid.

buysolar has spent months looking for a good inverter converter power source for a 1000 to 1600 watt setup.

My push is in this direction here is why.

Lets take sha-256 asics 

 I own t1
avalon 841
s9
s9i on the way.  all of them run about 92 to 110 watts per th

the new go B2 lists at 81 watts per th.

even if bitmain and avalon do 7nm  they will not go much better then 75 watts per 1 th.

so do some math if the solar setup I get built comes to 4 cent a kwatt over ten years

vs 10 cents a watt buying from a hosting service.

it is viable  to run a 110 watt per th miner
vs a 75 watt per th miner.

So the game goes back to low power cost = winner winner chicken dinner.

Sorry if I offended you Phil.  I wasn't attacking anyone or any style of mining.  In fact, I don't own ASICs or FPGAs, only GPUs and CPUs.  Let me rephrase my point;  I think its shortsighted and misinformed to want a coin to hardfork simply because an Nvidia or AMD GPU is no longer the most cost effective way to mine.

[Marvell2]

Problems abound due to the huge fall runup.

Bitmain saw really big profits last year.


So much so they got ideas on what to do with excess profits.

I find it very interesting that  innosilicon now has

A better zec miner more hash less power.
A better decred miner more hash less power.
A better sia miner more hash less power.
A better sha miner more hash less power.

As compared to bitmain.

Yeah bitmain is cheaper but the specs are better for innosilicon.

This kind of proves how ridiculous it is that people are howling for hardforks every time a new asic comes out.  Obviously they are butthurt that their GPUs will no longer be as profitable.  But when multiple companies are making ASIC miners and competing with each other, how exactly does that cause centralization?  No different than only 2 GPU companies competing.   The notion of decentralization based on expensive and inefficient but widely available (though availability is a subjective term) GPUs is kind of idiotic.  It would almost be like rules requiring all prospectors to use pans from the 1800s for gold mining because its more fair than large companies with industrial equipment.

I ask for no nasty attacks you did a nasty attack I deleted this.

This thread is not to say asics rule gpus suck and fpga's are tripping ..

All three have a place in the game. I don't want to discuss why the game fails without all three and even cpus are needed for the game to work.

If you choose to be all asic good it is your choice. If you choose to be inclusive also good that is your choice.
If you choose to insult gpu miners in this thread or insult asic miners or insult fpga miners or insult cpu miners with terms like butthurt or idiotic  I delete it.

back to the thread.  solar has some value in smaller ops off grid.

buysolar has spent months looking for a good inverter converter power source for a 1000 to 1600 watt setup.

My push is in this direction here is why.

Lets take sha-256 asics 

 I own t1
avalon 841
s9
s9i on the way.  all of them run about 92 to 110 watts per th

the new go B2 lists at 81 watts per th.

even if bitmain and avalon do 7nm  they will not go much better then 75 watts per 1 th.

so do some math if the solar setup I get built comes to 4 cent a kwatt over ten years

vs 10 cents a watt buying from a hosting service.

it is viable  to run a 110 watt per th miner
vs a 75 watt per th miner.

So the game goes back to low power cost = winner winner chicken dinner.

Sorry if I offended you Phil.  I wasn't attacking anyone or any style of mining.  In fact, I don't own ASICs or FPGAs, only GPUs and CPUs.  Let me rephrase my point;  I think its shortsighted and misinformed to want a coin to hardfork simply because an Nvidia or AMD GPU is no longer the most cost effective way to mine.

lol why ? you think it’s shortsighted, but give no explanation for your reasoning, leme guess becuase nothing you could come up with makes any sense.  There is zero benifit to letting asics canabalize a tokens network
It defeats the whole point of decentralization

[rs1x]

WTC update.

last 10 days I've mined 14 blocks.  I get paid 3.5 coins per block.  I have 7 1080TI's on it. 


thats 1.4 coins per day,  * $35 = $49 a day.

49 a day / 7 cards = $7 per card per day.


just some rough numbers. 

[BogdanCo]

WTC update.

last 10 days I've mined 14 blocks.  I get paid 3.5 coins per block.  I have 7 1080TI's on it. 


thats 1.4 coins per day,  * $35 = $49 a day.

49 a day / 7 cards = $7 per card per day.


just some rough numbers. 

Where are you mining WTC and how? SMOS?

[philipma1957]

Problems abound due to the huge fall runup.

Bitmain saw really big profits last year.


So much so they got ideas on what to do with excess profits.

I find it very interesting that  innosilicon now has

A better zec miner more hash less power.
A better decred miner more hash less power.
A better sia miner more hash less power.
A better sha miner more hash less power.

As compared to bitmain.

Yeah bitmain is cheaper but the specs are better for innosilicon.

This kind of proves how ridiculous it is that people are howling for hardforks every time a new asic comes out.  Obviously they are butthurt that their GPUs will no longer be as profitable.  But when multiple companies are making ASIC miners and competing with each other, how exactly does that cause centralization?  No different than only 2 GPU companies competing.   The notion of decentralization based on expensive and inefficient but widely available (though availability is a subjective term) GPUs is kind of idiotic.  It would almost be like rules requiring all prospectors to use pans from the 1800s for gold mining because its more fair than large companies with industrial equipment.

I ask for no nasty attacks you did a nasty attack I deleted this.

This thread is not to say asics rule gpus suck and fpga's are tripping ..

All three have a place in the game. I don't want to discuss why the game fails without all three and even cpus are needed for the game to work.

If you choose to be all asic good it is your choice. If you choose to be inclusive also good that is your choice.
If you choose to insult gpu miners in this thread or insult asic miners or insult fpga miners or insult cpu miners with terms like butthurt or idiotic  I delete it.

back to the thread.  solar has some value in smaller ops off grid.

buysolar has spent months looking for a good inverter converter power source for a 1000 to 1600 watt setup.

My push is in this direction here is why.

Lets take sha-256 asics 

 I own t1
avalon 841
s9
s9i on the way.  all of them run about 92 to 110 watts per th

the new go B2 lists at 81 watts per th.

even if bitmain and avalon do 7nm  they will not go much better then 75 watts per 1 th.

so do some math if the solar setup I get built comes to 4 cent a kwatt over ten years

vs 10 cents a watt buying from a hosting service.

it is viable  to run a 110 watt per th miner
vs a 75 watt per th miner.

So the game goes back to low power cost = winner winner chicken dinner.

Sorry if I offended you Phil.  I wasn't attacking anyone or any style of mining.  In fact, I don't own ASICs or FPGAs, only GPUs and CPUs.  Let me rephrase my point;  I think its shortsighted and misinformed to want a coin to hardfork simply because an Nvidia or AMD GPU is no longer the most cost effective way to mine.

lol why ? you think it’s shortsighted, but give no explanation for your reasoning, leme guess becuase nothing you could come up with makes any sense.  There is zero benifit to letting asics canabalize a tokens network
It defeats the whole point of decentralization

Problems abound due to the huge fall runup.

Bitmain saw really big profits last year.


So much so they got ideas on what to do with excess profits.

I find it very interesting that  innosilicon now has

A better zec miner more hash less power.
A better decred miner more hash less power.
A better sia miner more hash less power.
A better sha miner more hash less power.

As compared to bitmain.

Yeah bitmain is cheaper but the specs are better for innosilicon.

This kind of proves how ridiculous it is that people are howling for hardforks every time a new asic comes out.  Obviously they are butthurt that their GPUs will no longer be as profitable.  But when multiple companies are making ASIC miners and competing with each other, how exactly does that cause centralization?  No different than only 2 GPU companies competing.   The notion of decentralization based on expensive and inefficient but widely available (though availability is a subjective term) GPUs is kind of idiotic.  It would almost be like rules requiring all prospectors to use pans from the 1800s for gold mining because its more fair than large companies with industrial equipment.

I ask for no nasty attacks you did a nasty attack I deleted this.

This thread is not to say asics rule gpus suck and fpga's are tripping ..

All three have a place in the game. I don't want to discuss why the game fails without all three and even cpus are needed for the game to work.

If you choose to be all asic good it is your choice. If you choose to be inclusive also good that is your choice.
If you choose to insult gpu miners in this thread or insult asic miners or insult fpga miners or insult cpu miners with terms like butthurt or idiotic  I delete it.

back to the thread.  solar has some value in smaller ops off grid.

buysolar has spent months looking for a good inverter converter power source for a 1000 to 1600 watt setup.

My push is in this direction here is why.

Lets take sha-256 asics 

 I own t1
avalon 841
s9
s9i on the way.  all of them run about 92 to 110 watts per th

the new go B2 lists at 81 watts per th.

even if bitmain and avalon do 7nm  they will not go much better then 75 watts per 1 th.

so do some math if the solar setup I get built comes to 4 cent a kwatt over ten years

vs 10 cents a watt buying from a hosting service.

it is viable  to run a 110 watt per th miner
vs a 75 watt per th miner.

So the game goes back to low power cost = winner winner chicken dinner.

Sorry if I offended you Phil.  I wasn't attacking anyone or any style of mining.  In fact, I don't own ASICs or FPGAs, only GPUs and CPUs.  Let me rephrase my point;  I think its shortsighted and misinformed to want a coin to hardfork simply because an Nvidia or AMD GPU is no longer the most cost effective way to mine.

neither of the above  are nasty posts thank you both.

I don't want us to spend time defending or attacking  asic/fpga/gpu/cpu mining or pow vs pos vs (pow+pos hybrid)

The reality is we have that world to live in or mine in we don't need to argue  why one part is good and the other part is evil.

The game today as we mine is cheap power is king  and lots of cheap gear can be found  how do we cope as miners.

[rs1x]

WTC update.

last 10 days I've mined 14 blocks.  I get paid 3.5 coins per block.  I have 7 1080TI's on it. 


thats 1.4 coins per day,  * $35 = $49 a day.

49 a day / 7 cards = $7 per card per day.


just some rough numbers. 

Where are you mining WTC and how? SMOS?

No not smos. I wish!   It’s windows only. There are a few guides on reddit