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[TwitchySeal]

The rake appears to be fixed, but this bug taught us a lot about our rake structure and some improvements that need to be made.  We will follow up with more next week.  Thank you to all the testers and feedback.

No news on the website
An announcement buried in the middle of the forum when you sticky post your promotions
No email sent to your clients to warn them that you just made drastic changes on your fees.

-----> HUGE rake increase at betcoin.ag since the 14th December: https://www.betcoin.ag/betcoin-poker-table-rake-update

They've been "unintentionally" charging 2-5x their advertised rake for at least a month now

They knew about it at least 4 weeks ago and did nothing until recently.

They said refunding would be too complicated - so they are keeping the money.

I haven't compared the new rake structure, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was very similiar to what theyve been charging since October or earlier.

[wwwin]

Now you're just making shit up about me.

You really don't know what my attitude is...but TwichySeal is a SWC shill

Why?

What did they ban you for?  I have argued with them before and it had no consequences.

Also, don't worry  about the money for the excessive rake...they will probably have a big freeroll to  make up for it soon.

Don't worry. If you dislike them so  much, they are shooting themselves in the foot with the inconspicuous rake increase notice and petty stuff like that...that is why they are not growing as fast as they should. With the fast payouts that they have, they should be much bigger than they are but they mess up in little stuff that they don't even realize makes players upset enough to play elsewhere. So everything  averages out. You don't need to be hounding them everyday. Maybe one day they will realize all the petty mistakes that they make.
Relax, your beloved seals is ahead  of them in traffic. http://www.pokerscout.com/

[tom14cat14]

Now you're just making shit up about me.

You really don't know what my attitude is...but TwichySeal is a SWC shill

Why?

What did they ban you for?  I have argued with them before and it had no consequences.

Also, don't worry  about the money for the excessive rake...they will probably have a big freeroll to  make up for it soon.

Don't worry. If you dislike them so  much, they are shooting themselves in the foot with the inconspicuous rake increase notice and petty stuff like that...that is why they are not growing as fast as they should. With the fast payouts that they have, they should be much bigger than they are but they mess up in little stuff that they don't even realize makes players upset enough to play elsewhere. So everything  averages out. You don't need to be hounding them everyday. Maybe one day they will realize all the petty mistakes that they make.
Relax, your beloved seals is ahead  of them in traffic. http://www.pokerscout.com/

Thats a cool site. I have never seen it before. I wonder how accurate it is. Their site normally says around 150-200 user online most of the time. vs the 48 max users that site says. 

[wwwin]

Now you're just making shit up about me.

You really don't know what my attitude is...but TwichySeal is a SWC shill

Why?

What did they ban you for?  I have argued with them before and it had no consequences.

Also, don't worry  about the money for the excessive rake...they will probably have a big freeroll to  make up for it soon.

Don't worry. If you dislike them so  much, they are shooting themselves in the foot with the inconspicuous rake increase notice and petty stuff like that...that is why they are not growing as fast as they should. With the fast payouts that they have, they should be much bigger than they are but they mess up in little stuff that they don't even realize makes players upset enough to play elsewhere. So everything  averages out. You don't need to be hounding them everyday. Maybe one day they will realize all the petty mistakes that they make.
Relax, your beloved seals is ahead  of them in traffic. http://www.pokerscout.com/

Thats a cool site. I have never seen it before. I wonder how accurate it is. Their site normally says around 150-200 user online most of the time. vs the 48 max users that site says. 

They only show cash games players, not tournaments.

[TwitchySeal]

Now you're just making shit up about me.

You really don't know what my attitude is...but TwichySeal is a SWC shill

Why?

What did they ban you for?  I have argued with them before and it had no consequences.

Also, don't worry  about the money for the excessive rake...they will probably have a big freeroll to  make up for it soon.

Don't worry. If you dislike them so  much, they are shooting themselves in the foot with the inconspicuous rake increase notice and petty stuff like that...that is why they are not growing as fast as they should. With the fast payouts that they have, they should be much bigger than they are but they mess up in little stuff that they don't even realize makes players upset enough to play elsewhere. So everything  averages out. You don't need to be hounding them everyday. Maybe one day they will realize all the petty mistakes that they make.
Relax, your beloved seals is ahead  of them in traffic. http://www.pokerscout.com/

Your troll game needs work.

[wwwin]

Now you're just making shit up about me.

Why?

What did they ban you for?  I have argued with them before and it had no consequences.

pokerscout.com/
Your troll game needs work.

So what did they ban you for? They usually only ban cheaters, colluders and bots.

[TwitchySeal]

So what did they ban you for? They usually only ban cheaters, colluders and bots.

They refused to tell me why I was banned.

They unbanned me a few days ago, not sure why.  I didn't ask or agree to do anything differently in the future.  I doubt they will explain why.

I don't know of anyone who's been banned for cheating, colluding or bots.  They shut down tons multi accounts if thats what you mean, but they don't always allow the player to keep their main account afaik.

I don't think you're a shill, although you do have one of the oldest active player accounts.  

I know you understand whats going on, and agree with me at least somewhat that they have done many unethical things and likely will do many more.

Why is it so important to you that I stop calling them out for it?  Maybe I am wasting my time, but I'm not going to stop - so why waste yours?  I don't understand.


Why are you trolling me?  
Did I troll you or somehow piss you off sometime in the past?

[DarkDays]

I know you understand whats going on, and agree with me at least somewhat that they have done many unethical things and likely will do many more.

Why is it so important to you that I stop calling them out for it?  Maybe I am wasting my time, but I'm not going to stop - so why waste yours?  I don't understand.

This is just speculation but I think, as we've seen with some of the Stars pros recently, there are a lot of people who put money above ethics.  There are a few people who feast on the very soft Betcoin player pool and take full advantage of the admittedly very generous bonus/rakeback offers they provide.  They would rather look the other way on the unethical/incompetent things that go on because they don't want to risk upsetting that status quo and losing all of that free money.  What they don't understand is that this thinking is very short term.  For long term growth/success of a site, players need to feel that they are playing on a site that is honest, ethical, and competent. 

[cryptosmoker]

I know you understand whats going on, and agree with me at least somewhat that they have done many unethical things and likely will do many more.

Why is it so important to you that I stop calling them out for it?  Maybe I am wasting my time, but I'm not going to stop - so why waste yours?  I don't understand.

This is just speculation but I think, as we've seen with some of the Stars pros recently, there are a lot of people who put money above ethics.  There are a few people who feast on the very soft Betcoin player pool and take full advantage of the admittedly very generous bonus/rakeback offers they provide.  They would rather look the other way on the unethical/incompetent things that go on because they don't want to risk upsetting that status quo and losing all of that free money.  What they don't understand is that this thinking is very short term.  For long term growth/success of a site, players need to feel that they are playing on a site that is honest, ethical, and competent. 

This is all very true.  But wwwin isn't looking the other way though.  He knows betcoin is doing wrong but his posts encourage betcoin to keep doing wrong and players to not try and get them to stop. 

[cjmoles]

I know you understand whats going on, and agree with me at least somewhat that they have done many unethical things and likely will do many more.

Why is it so important to you that I stop calling them out for it?  Maybe I am wasting my time, but I'm not going to stop - so why waste yours?  I don't understand.

This is just speculation but I think, as we've seen with some of the Stars pros recently, there are a lot of people who put money above ethics.  There are a few people who feast on the very soft Betcoin player pool and take full advantage of the admittedly very generous bonus/rakeback offers they provide.  They would rather look the other way on the unethical/incompetent things that go on because they don't want to risk upsetting that status quo and losing all of that free money.  What they don't understand is that this thinking is very short term.  For long term growth/success of a site, players need to feel that they are playing on a site that is honest, ethical, and competent. 

Okay, yes!  The soft player field is a dream!  However, I truly would like to see the site succeed so I would not ignore unethical behavior....incompetent, maybe....but not unethical.

[DarkDays]

Okay, yes!  The soft player field is a dream!  However, I truly would like to see the site succeed so I would not ignore unethical behavior....incompetent, maybe....but not unethical.

So what would you call ignoring valid questions that are being asked by legit members of the community?  To the point where they ABANDON THEIR OWN THREAD!  They were asked to clarify something they said about their "parent company"...ignored.  The fact that they have been illegally overraking hundreds of players over the course of a month was brought to their attention...ignored.  At what point, to you, do these activities and inactions cross over to the "unethical" area?

[rianwarcil]

username : rianwarcil

before thanks

[CarlesPuyol]

I have a small question,
I have in my wallet - "Poker Bonus Chips: XX"
How can I release it?
Thanks.

[wwwin]

Okay, yes!  The soft player field is a dream!  However, I truly would like to see the site succeed so I would not ignore unethical behavior....incompetent, maybe....but not unethical.

So what would you call ignoring valid questions that are being asked by legit members of the community?  To the point where they ABANDON THEIR OWN THREAD!  They were asked to clarify something they said about their "parent company"...ignored.  The fact that they have been illegally overraking hundreds of players over the course of a month was brought to their attention...ignored.  At what point, to you, do these activities and inactions cross over to the "unethical" area?

I think is silly to ask them to post in a public forum the name of the parent company or who runs the show when you consider the current online poker landscape, the fact that they allow players from every state, the fact that they also have sports betting and casinos games and the fact that criminal charges were brought this year against Micon of former Seals with Clubs, which did not even offer Sports betting nor Casino games, which do not enjoy the favorable DOJ opinion letter regarding online poker and that applies only to online poker.

Are you people retarded??? Do you want to compare them to PS which does not take US players?
This is an unregulated site with a miniscule player base with an Antigua domain. It is what it is, take it or leave it.
Just be happy that you can easily and quickly withdraw or that they have not disappeared with player funds, as so many others have done. You can easily withdraw and deposit and only what is needed to play on a given day. You are playing online poker not putting your money on a FDIC insured CD.
You should be more worried about loosing your entire stack by being a donkey than to worry about who is the freaking parent company.

[TwitchySeal]

Okay, yes!  The soft player field is a dream!  However, I truly would like to see the site succeed so I would not ignore unethical behavior....incompetent, maybe....but not unethical.

So what would you call ignoring valid questions that are being asked by legit members of the community?  To the point where they ABANDON THEIR OWN THREAD!  They were asked to clarify something they said about their "parent company"...ignored.  The fact that they have been illegally overraking hundreds of players over the course of a month was brought to their attention...ignored.  At what point, to you, do these activities and inactions cross over to the "unethical" area?

I think is silly to ask them to post in a public forum the name of the parent company when you consider the current online poker landscape, the fact that they allow players from every state, the fact that they also have sports betting and casinos games and the fact that criminal charges brought against Micon of former Seals with Clubs, which did not even offer Sports betting nor Casino games, which do not enjoy the DOJ opinion letter regarding online poker and that applies only to online poker. Are you people retarted???
This is an unregulated site with a miniscule player base with an Antigua domain. It is what it is, take it or leave

So no further comment on on why you think i should give up attempting to hold them accountable for their decisions?

by the way I agree it's probably not a great  idea to reveal who actually owns them, but they made the comment naming WPN and betcris in an attempt to gain trust from players, and I think it's very likely they are exaggerating reality at best and possibly straight up lying.

they've given up on this forum, so we are accomplishing something.

[wwwin]

they've given up on this forum, so we are accomplishing something.

What a great accomplishment

[DarkDays]

they've given up on this forum, so we are accomplishing something.

I would much rather them have an active presence, admit their mistakes and misdeeds, and work to correct them.  Them closing up shop and ignoring even basic questions is a Very Bad Sign.

[Xiaoxiao]

they've given up on this forum, so we are accomplishing something.

I would much rather them have an active presence, admit their mistakes and misdeeds, and work to correct them.  Them closing up shop and ignoring even basic questions is a Very Bad Sign.

Having chatted with admin many times it seems that a lot of things are being blown out of proportion. They can easily payout multiple $1,000,000 guaranteed tournaments in crypto, so it doesn't seem to be about the money.  Are they trying to take a few extra chips from poker.  Absolutely not.  They own a full gaming platform which generates a lot more revenue. 

And since they have handed out so much in freebies to all of us (Free Spin Fridays, old surprise box, freerolls, handouts, etc) they were upset that the same players that received the freebies are now irate over some minor poker issues.  At the end of the day, the Poker room is improving and still hold the best rewards. 

[DarkDays]

they've given up on this forum, so we are accomplishing something.

I would much rather them have an active presence, admit their mistakes and misdeeds, and work to correct them.  Them closing up shop and ignoring even basic questions is a Very Bad Sign.

Having chatted with admin many times it seems that a lot of things are being blown out of proportion. They can easily payout multiple $1,000,000 guaranteed tournaments in crypto, so it doesn't seem to be about the money.  Are they trying to take a few extra chips from poker.  Absolutely not.  They own a full gaming platform which generates a lot more revenue. 

And since they have handed out so much in freebies to all of us (Free Spin Fridays, old surprise box, freerolls, handouts, etc) they were upset that the same players that received the freebies are now irate over some minor poker issues.  At the end of the day, the Poker room is improving and still hold the best rewards. 

None of that makes sense or is relevant to the discussion, it's just nonsense water carrying.  They have successfully taken tens if not hundreds of bitcoins in extra chips from poker.  Absolutely.  The fact that they didn't steal from a couple of players doesn't negate the funds that were stolen from hundreds.  Why do you see this as a "minor issue"?  Why won't the admin post on here?  What happened to "there are no difficult questions"?

[Erza]

I have a small question,
I have in my wallet - "Poker Bonus Chips: XX"
How can I release it?
Thanks.

Did you mean withdraw it? If that is there is a withdraw button in your wallet near to p2p transfer you can click on it. OR if you want to convert it to play chip you can do it also by clicking transfer