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[cryptosmoker]

Or just play in  NV or NJ regulated online poker.  Yeah that would give me a lot of comfort.   Have  you ever heard of UltimateBet?
http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/2013/05/29/ultimatepoker_and_ultimatebet_the_online_poker_scandal_that_never_ends.html
LOL...who knows maybe Russ Hamilton is running the show   LOL.  

I play on regulated site in USA every day.  I've also heard about UB.  Have you considered what would of happened if everyone had the same attitude as you?

Have you ever considered what would happen is every has the same attitude as you?

The whole online poker industry would fail as everyone would have been banned. LOL  

If everyone had same attitude as you, the cheaters would never be caught from UB.

You make joke because you have no other defense.  You argue that it is waste of time to say anything at all, but you put effort into trying to make twitchyseal change his opinion or simply give up.  Every other point you have tried to make makes 0 sense.

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[wwwin]

Or just play in  NV or NJ regulated online poker.  Yeah that would give me a lot of comfort.   Have  you ever heard of UltimateBet?
http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/2013/05/29/ultimatepoker_and_ultimatebet_the_online_poker_scandal_that_never_ends.html
LOL...who knows maybe Russ Hamilton is running the show   LOL.  

I play on regulated site in USA every day.  I've also heard about UB.  Have you considered what would of happened if everyone had the same attitude as you?

Have you ever considered what would happen is every has the same attitude as you?

The whole online poker industry would fail as everyone would have been banned. LOL  

If everyone had same attitude as you, the cheaters would never be caught from UB.

You make joke because you have no other defense.  You argue that it is waste of time to say anything at all, but you put effort into trying to make twitchyseal change his opinion or simply give up.  Every other point you have tried to make makes 0 sense.

If everyone had same attitude as me, there would no cheaters to catch as nobody would cheat...
by the way TwichySeal is a SWC shill

[TwitchySeal]

You tried to get me to give up by convincing me I was wasting my time.

What does not make sense is why you  keep wasting your time. You don't want to play here and they banned you. So both agree that you will not play here.
To play at Betcoin you have to take the good with the bad or else you will be upset many times when dealing with support. So if you can't handle it is better for you to walk away and forget the whole thing. You are not going to change anything one bit.

Don't be foolish. They are content in growing at a snail pace, and sometimes regressing, or else they would have made some changes a long time ago. Nobody has been able to change the way they handle themselves or the way they do things and I seriously doubt that you can.

You tried to convince me that the level of scummyness that Betcoin gets away with is standard and acceptable

What did you expect? At least I don't waste long hours as you do in a mission that is imposible to accomplish. You should just play live poker...oh wait live dealers have been known to steal chips...I guess you should just go to church and deal with 100% honest people...

Trolled me

Have you ever considered what would happen is every has the same attitude as you?

The whole online poker industry would fail as everyone would have been banned. LOL  

Now you're just making shit up about me.

You really don't know what my attitude is...but TwichySeal is a SWC shill

Why?

[Wh0CaR3s]

The rake appears to be fixed, but this bug taught us a lot about our rake structure and some improvements that need to be made.  We will follow up with more next week.  Thank you to all the testers and feedback.

No news on the website
An announcement buried in the middle of the forum when you sticky post your promotions
No email sent to your clients to warn them that you just made drastic changes on your fees.

-----> HUGE rake increase at betcoin.ag since the 14th December: https://www.betcoin.ag/betcoin-poker-table-rake-update

[TwitchySeal]

The rake appears to be fixed, but this bug taught us a lot about our rake structure and some improvements that need to be made.  We will follow up with more next week.  Thank you to all the testers and feedback.

No news on the website
An announcement buried in the middle of the forum when you sticky post your promotions
No email sent to your clients to warn them that you just made drastic changes on your fees.

-----> HUGE rake increase at betcoin.ag since the 14th December: https://www.betcoin.ag/betcoin-poker-table-rake-update

They've been "unintentionally" charging 2-5x their advertised rake for at least a month now

They knew about it at least 4 weeks ago and did nothing until recently.

They said refunding would be too complicated - so they are keeping the money.

I haven't compared the new rake structure, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was very similiar to what theyve been charging since October or earlier.

[wwwin]

Now you're just making shit up about me.

You really don't know what my attitude is...but TwichySeal is a SWC shill

Why?

What did they ban you for?  I have argued with them before and it had no consequences.

Also, don't worry  about the money for the excessive rake...they will probably have a big freeroll to  make up for it soon.

Don't worry. If you dislike them so  much, they are shooting themselves in the foot with the inconspicuous rake increase notice and petty stuff like that...that is why they are not growing as fast as they should. With the fast payouts that they have, they should be much bigger than they are but they mess up in little stuff that they don't even realize makes players upset enough to play elsewhere. So everything  averages out. You don't need to be hounding them everyday. Maybe one day they will realize all the petty mistakes that they make.
Relax, your beloved seals is ahead  of them in traffic. http://www.pokerscout.com/

[tom14cat14]

Now you're just making shit up about me.

You really don't know what my attitude is...but TwichySeal is a SWC shill

Why?

What did they ban you for?  I have argued with them before and it had no consequences.

Also, don't worry  about the money for the excessive rake...they will probably have a big freeroll to  make up for it soon.

Don't worry. If you dislike them so  much, they are shooting themselves in the foot with the inconspicuous rake increase notice and petty stuff like that...that is why they are not growing as fast as they should. With the fast payouts that they have, they should be much bigger than they are but they mess up in little stuff that they don't even realize makes players upset enough to play elsewhere. So everything  averages out. You don't need to be hounding them everyday. Maybe one day they will realize all the petty mistakes that they make.
Relax, your beloved seals is ahead  of them in traffic. http://www.pokerscout.com/

Thats a cool site. I have never seen it before. I wonder how accurate it is. Their site normally says around 150-200 user online most of the time. vs the 48 max users that site says. 

[wwwin]

Now you're just making shit up about me.

You really don't know what my attitude is...but TwichySeal is a SWC shill

Why?

What did they ban you for?  I have argued with them before and it had no consequences.

Also, don't worry  about the money for the excessive rake...they will probably have a big freeroll to  make up for it soon.

Don't worry. If you dislike them so  much, they are shooting themselves in the foot with the inconspicuous rake increase notice and petty stuff like that...that is why they are not growing as fast as they should. With the fast payouts that they have, they should be much bigger than they are but they mess up in little stuff that they don't even realize makes players upset enough to play elsewhere. So everything  averages out. You don't need to be hounding them everyday. Maybe one day they will realize all the petty mistakes that they make.
Relax, your beloved seals is ahead  of them in traffic. http://www.pokerscout.com/

Thats a cool site. I have never seen it before. I wonder how accurate it is. Their site normally says around 150-200 user online most of the time. vs the 48 max users that site says. 

They only show cash games players, not tournaments.

[TwitchySeal]

Now you're just making shit up about me.

You really don't know what my attitude is...but TwichySeal is a SWC shill

Why?

What did they ban you for?  I have argued with them before and it had no consequences.

Also, don't worry  about the money for the excessive rake...they will probably have a big freeroll to  make up for it soon.

Don't worry. If you dislike them so  much, they are shooting themselves in the foot with the inconspicuous rake increase notice and petty stuff like that...that is why they are not growing as fast as they should. With the fast payouts that they have, they should be much bigger than they are but they mess up in little stuff that they don't even realize makes players upset enough to play elsewhere. So everything  averages out. You don't need to be hounding them everyday. Maybe one day they will realize all the petty mistakes that they make.
Relax, your beloved seals is ahead  of them in traffic. http://www.pokerscout.com/

Your troll game needs work.

[wwwin]

Now you're just making shit up about me.

Why?

What did they ban you for?  I have argued with them before and it had no consequences.

pokerscout.com/
Your troll game needs work.

So what did they ban you for? They usually only ban cheaters, colluders and bots.

[TwitchySeal]

So what did they ban you for? They usually only ban cheaters, colluders and bots.

They refused to tell me why I was banned.

They unbanned me a few days ago, not sure why.  I didn't ask or agree to do anything differently in the future.  I doubt they will explain why.

I don't know of anyone who's been banned for cheating, colluding or bots.  They shut down tons multi accounts if thats what you mean, but they don't always allow the player to keep their main account afaik.

I don't think you're a shill, although you do have one of the oldest active player accounts.  

I know you understand whats going on, and agree with me at least somewhat that they have done many unethical things and likely will do many more.

Why is it so important to you that I stop calling them out for it?  Maybe I am wasting my time, but I'm not going to stop - so why waste yours?  I don't understand.


Why are you trolling me?  
Did I troll you or somehow piss you off sometime in the past?

[DarkDays]

I know you understand whats going on, and agree with me at least somewhat that they have done many unethical things and likely will do many more.

Why is it so important to you that I stop calling them out for it?  Maybe I am wasting my time, but I'm not going to stop - so why waste yours?  I don't understand.

This is just speculation but I think, as we've seen with some of the Stars pros recently, there are a lot of people who put money above ethics.  There are a few people who feast on the very soft Betcoin player pool and take full advantage of the admittedly very generous bonus/rakeback offers they provide.  They would rather look the other way on the unethical/incompetent things that go on because they don't want to risk upsetting that status quo and losing all of that free money.  What they don't understand is that this thinking is very short term.  For long term growth/success of a site, players need to feel that they are playing on a site that is honest, ethical, and competent. 

[cryptosmoker]

I know you understand whats going on, and agree with me at least somewhat that they have done many unethical things and likely will do many more.

Why is it so important to you that I stop calling them out for it?  Maybe I am wasting my time, but I'm not going to stop - so why waste yours?  I don't understand.

This is just speculation but I think, as we've seen with some of the Stars pros recently, there are a lot of people who put money above ethics.  There are a few people who feast on the very soft Betcoin player pool and take full advantage of the admittedly very generous bonus/rakeback offers they provide.  They would rather look the other way on the unethical/incompetent things that go on because they don't want to risk upsetting that status quo and losing all of that free money.  What they don't understand is that this thinking is very short term.  For long term growth/success of a site, players need to feel that they are playing on a site that is honest, ethical, and competent. 

This is all very true.  But wwwin isn't looking the other way though.  He knows betcoin is doing wrong but his posts encourage betcoin to keep doing wrong and players to not try and get them to stop. 

[cjmoles]

I know you understand whats going on, and agree with me at least somewhat that they have done many unethical things and likely will do many more.

Why is it so important to you that I stop calling them out for it?  Maybe I am wasting my time, but I'm not going to stop - so why waste yours?  I don't understand.

This is just speculation but I think, as we've seen with some of the Stars pros recently, there are a lot of people who put money above ethics.  There are a few people who feast on the very soft Betcoin player pool and take full advantage of the admittedly very generous bonus/rakeback offers they provide.  They would rather look the other way on the unethical/incompetent things that go on because they don't want to risk upsetting that status quo and losing all of that free money.  What they don't understand is that this thinking is very short term.  For long term growth/success of a site, players need to feel that they are playing on a site that is honest, ethical, and competent. 

Okay, yes!  The soft player field is a dream!  However, I truly would like to see the site succeed so I would not ignore unethical behavior....incompetent, maybe....but not unethical.

[DarkDays]

Okay, yes!  The soft player field is a dream!  However, I truly would like to see the site succeed so I would not ignore unethical behavior....incompetent, maybe....but not unethical.

So what would you call ignoring valid questions that are being asked by legit members of the community?  To the point where they ABANDON THEIR OWN THREAD!  They were asked to clarify something they said about their "parent company"...ignored.  The fact that they have been illegally overraking hundreds of players over the course of a month was brought to their attention...ignored.  At what point, to you, do these activities and inactions cross over to the "unethical" area?

[rianwarcil]

username : rianwarcil

before thanks

[CarlesPuyol]

I have a small question,
I have in my wallet - "Poker Bonus Chips: XX"
How can I release it?
Thanks.

[wwwin]

Okay, yes!  The soft player field is a dream!  However, I truly would like to see the site succeed so I would not ignore unethical behavior....incompetent, maybe....but not unethical.

So what would you call ignoring valid questions that are being asked by legit members of the community?  To the point where they ABANDON THEIR OWN THREAD!  They were asked to clarify something they said about their "parent company"...ignored.  The fact that they have been illegally overraking hundreds of players over the course of a month was brought to their attention...ignored.  At what point, to you, do these activities and inactions cross over to the "unethical" area?

I think is silly to ask them to post in a public forum the name of the parent company or who runs the show when you consider the current online poker landscape, the fact that they allow players from every state, the fact that they also have sports betting and casinos games and the fact that criminal charges were brought this year against Micon of former Seals with Clubs, which did not even offer Sports betting nor Casino games, which do not enjoy the favorable DOJ opinion letter regarding online poker and that applies only to online poker.

Are you people retarded??? Do you want to compare them to PS which does not take US players?
This is an unregulated site with a miniscule player base with an Antigua domain. It is what it is, take it or leave it.
Just be happy that you can easily and quickly withdraw or that they have not disappeared with player funds, as so many others have done. You can easily withdraw and deposit and only what is needed to play on a given day. You are playing online poker not putting your money on a FDIC insured CD.
You should be more worried about loosing your entire stack by being a donkey than to worry about who is the freaking parent company.

[TwitchySeal]

Okay, yes!  The soft player field is a dream!  However, I truly would like to see the site succeed so I would not ignore unethical behavior....incompetent, maybe....but not unethical.

So what would you call ignoring valid questions that are being asked by legit members of the community?  To the point where they ABANDON THEIR OWN THREAD!  They were asked to clarify something they said about their "parent company"...ignored.  The fact that they have been illegally overraking hundreds of players over the course of a month was brought to their attention...ignored.  At what point, to you, do these activities and inactions cross over to the "unethical" area?

I think is silly to ask them to post in a public forum the name of the parent company when you consider the current online poker landscape, the fact that they allow players from every state, the fact that they also have sports betting and casinos games and the fact that criminal charges brought against Micon of former Seals with Clubs, which did not even offer Sports betting nor Casino games, which do not enjoy the DOJ opinion letter regarding online poker and that applies only to online poker. Are you people retarted???
This is an unregulated site with a miniscule player base with an Antigua domain. It is what it is, take it or leave

So no further comment on on why you think i should give up attempting to hold them accountable for their decisions?

by the way I agree it's probably not a great  idea to reveal who actually owns them, but they made the comment naming WPN and betcris in an attempt to gain trust from players, and I think it's very likely they are exaggerating reality at best and possibly straight up lying.

they've given up on this forum, so we are accomplishing something.

[wwwin]

they've given up on this forum, so we are accomplishing something.

What a great accomplishment