rpietila Wall Observer - the Quality TA Thread ;)

[Hyena]

Just out of curiosity, why would NASA fake anything? Because of the arms race with the Soviets? And if this is all BS, why are private space operations becoming a big business? SpaceX is seriously going to send people to Mars within about a decade. It's their sole reason for existence. Is that going to be fake, too?

There are plenty of reasons for NASA to fake everything. Their Mars rover is actually in Greenland by the way. The money goes to black ops projects. I'd love to see SpaceX seriously going to Mars for example when in reality NASA hasn't got past even the Van Allen's belt of radiation and they have even admitted it publicly.

hm let us forget and brush the nasa stuff aside for a second.
i fail to see where he gives bad arguments or facts.

his explainations of possible error sources makes sense.

( tbh i cant imagine nasa hoax to be real - like half of the population of the industry nations would be involved...)

The explanations of possible errors don't make sense because each of the rectilineator links has its own support mechanism. Since the mechanism is reset for every step errors cannot cumulate. He tries so hard to paint the experiment as a failure that it's laughable. Nevertheless, the experiment should be repeated now a century later because with today's technology it would be possible to achieve more precise measurements and thus more adequate results.

Yes, here's where most of the population goes wrong --- they thing a hoax as big as this cannot be pulled off. Yet most of the population are enslaved by the banking system and this somehow is perfectly normal. If you're not a free man to begin with, then how do you have the arrogance to believe that you are not massively being lied to by your masters? The conspiracy has grown so big that just its size has begun to help it go unnoticed by the dumb public.

Hell, they're even admitting it publicly because they can, since the public is so dumb they think they are just joking, but the joke is on the dumb sheeple:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaMqI705AZE

I'm having a real hard time following you. Are you saying with a strong telescope you think you could see across the Atlantic from New York to France?

I'm not sure if that particular example would be possible but there are cases where it is possible to see beyond the alleged curvature of the Earth with a telescope. What is even more funny is that when strongly zoomed in the buildings in the background seem to be on the higher ground than the buildings in the foreground while in reality the buildings are on the equally high ground.

[rpietila]

I have browsed through the evidence and the overshadowing (pun intended) one is the FE claim that the Sun of a fixed diameter is above the Earth disk continuously. The trickstery that I have read so far concerning how the following phenomena could be true, is not convincing:
- some areas are bright-lit, others piss-dark (light needs to behave very curiously)
- the observed path of sun in the sky including it rising and setting in contact with horizon (which it should never even meet if it is above the Earth disk all the time).

This, alone, is for now a sufficient proof to dismiss the premise (italics) as false. It does not mean Earth is not the center of the Universe, of course, it does not mean Earth is spinning, moving, 15 billion years old, etc. It only means that it is not flat, on top of which the Sun is circling. The shape is likely round (locally convex) and the polar areas continue to be investigated.

[Dotto]

Two years ago I found that flat earthers theorist. The first 3 months I was in total denial, like someone "sane" would be. After that, in an exercise of extreme open mindness I started seriously doubth about it. Now, Im pretty sure earth is a sphere BUT in the meantime I have concluded that all NASA, the mars missions, the apollo ones, the rossetta landing, the international space station, all them are scams.

All-of-them. You just have to examine the facts.

[Hyena]

Two years ago I found that flat earthers theorist. The first 3 months I was in total denial, like someone "sane" would be. After that, in an exercise of extreme open mindness I started seriously doubth about it. Now, Im pretty sure earth is a sphere BUT in the meantime I have concluded that all NASA, the mars missions, the apollo ones, the rossetta landing, the international space station, all them are scams.

All-of-them. You just have to examine the facts.

I laughed at the flat earth theory 2 years ago. I even didn't look at the concave earth theory 2 years ago, as if it was even worse than the flat earth theory. But I started investigating the hollow earth theory because I have a natural interest for planet formation (my bachelor's thesis in informatics was a random world generator) and I figured that obviously a rotating cloud of dust and gas would have a hollow interior as a result of the angular acceleration due to rotation.

When I saw this video, it was clear to me that what we are taught in the geography is utter bullshit and should not be taken seriously. It is a known historical fact that no one has ever drilled deeper than 12 km. Thus, how on Earth can a scientist say what is inside Earth. Just because some places put out lava does not mean the whole Earth is filled by it. Those shit scientist really think people are that stupid that they believe just any ridiculous explanation they serve via the public education system.

One thing lead to another so I came acquainted with the Expanding Earth Theory. From physics perspective the expanding earth would make perfect sense in the hollow earth context. Where does the extra land come from? Matter does not just appear out of thin air, so how could the earth be expanding? But when we take Earth as hollow, it becomes self-evident that the cavity inside Earth gets bigger as it rotates, thus the surface area can grow.

For long time I was a believer of the hollow earth theory. It made perfect sense from physics perspective and the historic facts regarding Hitler and Admiral Byrd were confirming it. However, I still believed that NASA has been telling the truth, that the Moon Landing actually took place and that we are definitely located on the outside surface of the hollow Earth. But about half a year ago this flat earth theory just kept gaining popularity so out of curiosity I looked what they had to say. It lead me to believe that NASA has been deceiving the shit out of public and that Moon Landing was a total fake.

So, since we can discard every single video and picture by NASA due to their shit reputation for faking everything, I obviously got second thoughts about the curvature of the ground under our feet. Because the flat earth theory is too ridiculous due to its ties to the bible I started investigating the concave earth theory. I always discarded it as junk due to the dumb assumption that light in vacuum always travels in straight lines. I thought that if we really were inside the concave earth then I could see it with my own eyes. However, it has been proven that light bends, so a concave earth would not be obvious.

By that time I already knew about the illuminati and reptilians. I knew that hollywood films are full of their secret symbolism, it's just so obvious, they put everything out there. So when I came to this video:
Game of Thrones *Extended* Intro Shows Earth is Concave (We live INSIDE)

It suddenly became plausible that we could live in a concave Earth. Having processed all this information, one thing is for sure, I cannot say for sure what is the curvature of the ground below my feet. I simply cannot say it because now I know that I don't know it.

[vhaasteren]

When I saw this video, it was clear to me that what we are taught in the geography is utter bullshit and should not be taken seriously. It is a known historical fact that no one has ever drilled deeper than 12 km. Thus, how on Earth can a scientist say what is inside Earth. Just because some places put out lava does not mean the whole Earth is filled by it. Those shit scientist really think people are that stupid that they believe just any ridiculous explanation they serve via the public education system.

Hyena, I'll be polite this time, but please listen to me. This is exactly the reason why people like me would get irritated by you.

There is a very simple physical reason why that is happening in that video. There is also a very simple reason why it does not happen in planet formation (hint: the ratio of centrifugal force and self-gravitating force is different). The problem is that you don't understand that, and immediately conclude that all of physics is wrong. Why don't you instead ask someone who understands physics to explain why we do not think the Earth is hollow? Then people like me are much more inclined to reasonable conversation...   with your attitude, however, you cannot expect people to take you seriously.

[criptix]

http://www.diyspaceexploration.com/how-to-build-your-own-personal-satellite/

Should solve our discussion 

[Harmonica]

Why does this thread feel like I am watching Ancient Aliens? 

Seriously, I appreciate people who have a healthy dose of skepticism.  However, this thread continues to be full of absolutely bat poop crazy stuff.

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/57177411.jpg

[Dotto]

The expanding earth theory totally makes sense. Basicaly it says we are constantly been bombarded by petabillions and billions of neutrinos sended from the sun, which almost dont interact with matter. But they interact with plasma. The inner core of earth is made of plasma, feeded by this neutrinos which produces more incandescent matter in as a byproduct of its interaction, produccing matter at an approximated rate of +2 centimeters (1 inch) of the radius of the earth yearly.

This theory explain a lot of things:
-It explains why the core of earth is still hot after 4.5 billion years
-It explains why dinosaurs could live: earth was smaller, gravity was smaller. The probably dissapeared due his own massive body unadapted to the growing gravity
-It explain the movement of tectonic plaques
-Drift of continents, etc



PD:Wall observing @430 resistance, probably good place to short until 410-420 or so

[Bagatell]

I should have put money on it.

https://bitco.in/forum/threads/gold-collapsing-bitcoin-up.16/page-62#post-2316

[fisheater22]

I'm not well versed in alternative science, but the hollow earth theory seems pretty spot-on. Makes some things a bit harder to reconcile (starfield, Newtonian physics, sanity, etc.), but is the only theory to convincingly account for Socialism, Saurian Jews, and fluoride-sucking monsters demanding tree fiddy.

[Fatman3001]

I'm not well versed in alternative science, but the hollow earth theory seems pretty spot-on. Makes some things a bit harder to reconcile (starfield, Newtonian physics, sanity, etc.), but is the only theory to convincingly account for Socialism, Saurian Jews, and fluoride-sucking monsters demanding tree fiddy.

 fo fiddy !!!

The expanding earth theory totally makes sense. Basicaly it says we are constantly been bombarded by petabillions and billions of neutrinos sended from the sun, which almost dont interact with matter. But they interact with plasma. The inner core of earth is made of plasma, feeded by this neutrinos which produces more incandescent matter in as a byproduct of its interaction, produccing matter at an approximated rate of +2 centimeters (1 inch) of the radius of the earth yearly.

This theory explain a lot of things:
-It explains why the core of earth is still hot after 4.5 billion years
-It explains why dinosaurs could live: earth was smaller, gravity was smaller. The probably dissapeared due his own massive body unadapted to the growing gravity
-It explain the movement of tectonic plaques
-Drift of continents, etc



PD:Wall observing @430 resistance, probably good place to short until 410-420 or so

... ... ... ?

Neutrinos?



I don't think so.

Anyhew...

[Whtwabbit]

Two years ago I found that flat earthers theorist. The first 3 months I was in total denial, like someone "sane" would be. After that, in an exercise of extreme open mindness I started seriously doubth about it. Now, Im pretty sure earth is a sphere BUT in the meantime I have concluded that all NASA, the mars missions, the apollo ones, the rossetta landing, the international space station, all them are scams.

All-of-them. You just have to examine the facts.

I laughed at the flat earth theory 2 years ago. I even didn't look at the concave earth theory 2 years ago, as if it was even worse than the flat earth theory. But I started investigating the hollow earth theory because I have a natural interest for planet formation (my bachelor's thesis in informatics was a random world generator) and I figured that obviously a rotating cloud of dust and gas would have a hollow interior as a result of the angular acceleration due to rotation.

When I saw this video, it was clear to me that what we are taught in the geography is utter bullshit and should not be taken seriously. It is a known historical fact that no one has ever drilled deeper than 12 km. Thus, how on Earth can a scientist say what is inside Earth. Just because some places put out lava does not mean the whole Earth is filled by it. Those shit scientist really think people are that stupid that they believe just any ridiculous explanation they serve via the public education system.

One thing lead to another so I came acquainted with the Expanding Earth Theory. From physics perspective the expanding earth would make perfect sense in the hollow earth context. Where does the extra land come from? Matter does not just appear out of thin air, so how could the earth be expanding? But when we take Earth as hollow, it becomes self-evident that the cavity inside Earth gets bigger as it rotates, thus the surface area can grow.

For long time I was a believer of the hollow earth theory. It made perfect sense from physics perspective and the historic facts regarding Hitler and Admiral Byrd were confirming it. However, I still believed that NASA has been telling the truth, that the Moon Landing actually took place and that we are definitely located on the outside surface of the hollow Earth. But about half a year ago this flat earth theory just kept gaining popularity so out of curiosity I looked what they had to say. It lead me to believe that NASA has been deceiving the shit out of public and that Moon Landing was a total fake.

So, since we can discard every single video and picture by NASA due to their shit reputation for faking everything, I obviously got second thoughts about the curvature of the ground under our feet. Because the flat earth theory is too ridiculous due to its ties to the bible I started investigating the concave earth theory. I always discarded it as junk due to the dumb assumption that light in vacuum always travels in straight lines. I thought that if we really were inside the concave earth then I could see it with my own eyes. However, it has been proven that light bends, so a concave earth would not be obvious.

By that time I already knew about the illuminati and reptilians. I knew that hollywood films are full of their secret symbolism, it's just so obvious, they put everything out there. So when I came to this video:
Game of Thrones *Extended* Intro Shows Earth is Concave (We live INSIDE)

It suddenly became plausible that we could live in a concave Earth. Having processed all this information, one thing is for sure, I cannot say for sure what is the curvature of the ground below my feet. I simply cannot say it because now I know that I don't know it.

Its flat
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h5i_iDyUTCg
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=87M2i61N1cU
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lchtwf5Fvhc

[Cconvert2G36]

Its flat
-ploop-

Can confirm.

[Fatman3001]

Its flat
-ploop-

Can confirm.

Yeah, when I fart on a chair it doesn't wobble. If my chair was standing on a ball I'm pretty sure it would wobble.

Nuff said.

[rpietila]

Criticizing the government (ie. the power behind them) now illegal in UK.

This is a continuation to the "kidnap dream" of a week ago. Some readers might not be able to relate to what is the case, what is the problem with kidnapping. The problem is, unlike in criminal justice, in mental health cases the powers of the "court" exceed even courts-martial!

This is happening in Finland as well. Once ONE psychiatrist who has NEVER met you, in presence of NONE of the psychiatrists that have, after 15 minutes of meeting, when you are already treated with sedatives against your consent, decides that you pose "a threat to yourself or anyone else", they can lock you in, all human rights suspended indefinitely.

- Denied lawyer and councel.
- Stripped of belongings.
- Seclusion to whatever degree determined by them.
- Denied all communication incl phone and internet
- Denied request to apply asylum in 3rd country (note to "refugee crisis understanders" - THIS is the proper case of asylum: that you are personally being persecuted by your government and need to flee it)
- Denied lawyer and any communication with anyone (repeated for emphasis).
- Forced drugging without consent.
- Not knowing how long it will take.

=> Severe disruption to businesses due to not being able to conduct them nor even communicate with anyone (including lawyer).

Compare the procedure of this secret one-sided court of one judge having summary power to send you to a place way more oppressive than an ordinary prison (without defence, without appeal), to the delicate care how justice is usually meted out with trivial cases taking years and lawyers milking most of what was on the table to their pockets.

Also it is interesting to note that if a person accused of being criminal claims to be insane instead, the procedure to find this out is very elaborate. If a person accused of being insane claims to be criminal instead, he is silenced behind thick stone walls for as long as he breaks down and thanks his oppressors.

Finland does not have an appreciable history of critical thinking as this is not generally regarded as a problem at all, even though it makes a mockery of anything usually regarded as human rights, since they cease to apply at the instant a random person after 15 minutes reads from a paper that you are insane. No lawyer, no defence, no appeal, no habeas corpus, the more dignified you behave, the more poison they inject in you until they win.

They "win" for as long as we accept this iron boot to continue trampling on our face in the name of "mental health". (As if it was not public knowledge that most mental health issues would immediate go away with the end of this repression...)

Can you imagine how it feels after a busy week you are finally headed to airport hoping you have forgotten nothing essential, and then you are captured and detained in a series of strange institutions, never told what it is about and what will happen, and finally a Mengele-caricature pronounces you insane? Yes, it actually feels insane to have life changed so quickly and all the business, lawyers, friends, family and Facebook rendered unable to help. Yes, it is hard to swallow that you can come back only if you completely break down first, to the point of wandering on the streets of the city seeking for a way to commit suicide due to the poisons injected to you destroying your body and soul from inside.

Yes, after a few months it feels like a bad dream. A very bad one. It has now taken 2.5 years since release and the whole system is all the time feeling more evil. What is the point in any of the human rights if a single person with a license from government can take them away from you indefinitely (you only get them back when a person with similar license releases you) and none in your family, friends, lawyer, business, police, or the fact that you are a rich white male entrepreneur, can help you? The power of infinite detention and forced drugging without trial nor habeas corpus, even applies to foreigners as well as locals. Why even bother to uphold any laws as this is enough to nullify them all? The principle here is the same as in Guantanamo or any of the torture/detention systems that operate outside the law - pronouncing a keyword "terrorist" upon a human is enough to nullify him there, pronouncing "insane" is enough to nullify him in my former homeland.

[fisheater22]

...
Can you imagine how it feels after a busy week you are finally headed to airport hoping you have forgotten nothing essential, and then you are captured and detained in a series of strange institutions, never told what it is about and what will happen, and finally a Mengele-caricature pronounces you insane?  ...

Feels bad, man.

[molecular]

@rpietila, thanks for coming back to tell the story. You're also needed here and elsewhere.

Your story prompts me to post this...

I've been to 32C3 in Hamburg "between the years" and a couple of talks stuck with me. Most importantly this one:

The price of dissent (youtube mirror

It's a talk by some people from a UK organization called "Cage" that helps people with legal cases (people taken to prison for years with no (sorry: "secret") evidence without due process (sorry: by "secret courts") and shit like that, especially the unpopular ones that established organizations do not dare to touch. Currently mainly ones from the muslim communities within the UK.

What stuck with me most is this quote:

It's fundamental that if we do not protect the rights of everybody, then really we don't have the right for anybody.

[rpietila]

Feels bad, man.

Thank you for sympathy. But hey! I am alive now, and little by little getting back to normal as the poisons fade out and I get to level-headedly analyse the extent of the evil in the system. I am much stronger now, as is obvious, because there is nothing they can do to me anymore that would be any surprise. I already know there exist institutions in the urban area of cities in Western Europe, dedicated to contain, drug, and sometimes, potentially, accidentally, kill political prisoners (without my consent, I was also treated with SSRI, a common ingredient in all school shootings etc., causing suicidal thoughts only after which I was released - sorry motherfuckers, I don't kill myself that easily, YOU have to do it!)

The irony in the above has to be read in connection that the admission to closed mental institution requires that you are "deemed dangerous to yourself or others" - which is a ridiculous accusation at the time they threw me in, backed by absolutely, positively not a shred of evidence. Whereas, I only was released when I had provably become dangerous to at least myself, possibly others (the change in my state being a result of 6 weeks of "treatment"). The lying swine, taking pride of never needing to utter a single word of truth!

Oh boyz, the rabbit hole... The rabbit hole it goes VERY deep and good that you can only understand a little at a time by reading. 

[Bagatell]

I'm beginning to wonder if a few of the old bitcoin names didn't get off as lightly as Risto. Though having said that a few have reappeared recently in other places.

[Hyena]

When I saw this video, it was clear to me that what we are taught in the geography is utter bullshit and should not be taken seriously. It is a known historical fact that no one has ever drilled deeper than 12 km. Thus, how on Earth can a scientist say what is inside Earth. Just because some places put out lava does not mean the whole Earth is filled by it. Those shit scientist really think people are that stupid that they believe just any ridiculous explanation they serve via the public education system.

Hyena, I'll be polite this time, but please listen to me. This is exactly the reason why people like me would get irritated by you.

There is a very simple physical reason why that is happening in that video. There is also a very simple reason why it does not happen in planet formation (hint: the ratio of centrifugal force and self-gravitating force is different). The problem is that you don't understand that, and immediately conclude that all of physics is wrong. Why don't you instead ask someone who understands physics to explain why we do not think the Earth is hollow? Then people like me are much more inclined to reasonable conversation...   with your attitude, however, you cannot expect people to take you seriously.

Thanks for being polite, it's always appreciated. However, you have failed to understand the principles of mathematical induction. Ever heard of the fractal nature of the universe? Did it ever occur to you that our universe is self-similar? Events on the small scale resemble events on the large scale and so on. Look it up. I have never concluded that all physics is wrong. However, there are certain problems with the physics they teach us in schools and even in universities. Just to get the ball rolling for you, check out Tesla's suppressed technologies and scalar waves. I'm not going to even start babbling about ether.

That said, your main argument seems to be that the ratio of centrifugal force and self-gravitating force is being different. With that you have just exposed your own ignorance because you fail to see that in the infinite universe where the an alleged big bang started it all in a chaotic manner, all sorts of planet formation conditions are possible. I never said that all planets are hollow as a rule. Instead, I said that planets could potentially form as hollow objects. It all depends on the properties of the initial spinning cloud of dust and gas that later becomes a planet. If the rotation speed is high enough it will defeat the gravitational pull the same way Saturn gets to keep its rings. If the angular acceleration due to rotation is slightly less than the gravitational pull to the centre then the planet will end up as a filled object. On the other hand, when the angular acceleration due to rotation is slightly more than the gravitational pull the planet will eventually fall apart.