[ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency

[gonedark]

Crypto conferences seem like a good way to expand Dash awareness and networking with the right industry people.

The Money 20/20 Europe fintech conference is coming up in Copenhagen 4-7 April. They have a huge lineup of speakers. 3000+ people attending. There is a dedicated cryptocurrencies and ledgers track. Bitpay, Bitpesa among others are speaking.

Dash should be speaking here. With InstantX and Evolution we should have plenty to say to this crowd.

Its a few months out, so maybe there is enough time to come up with some kind of new announcement.

List of speakers: https://www.money2020europe.com/speakers/2016
Agenda:  https://www.money2020europe.com/market-themes

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[illodin]

I didn't mean to change the topic, or call anyone out here, but the facts are the facts and I'm not going to hide them... The launch was bad, 1.85mil was mined in just the first 24 hours.  Only a linux version was compiled, so very few people got a large chunk of this 1.85mil (1850 MNs)...

It is what it is...

Also, anyone who mines, mines on linux.  Only newbs like myself wouldn't know how.  I figured it out by the 3rd day.  I was researching before that, trying to learn from scratch.  I don't think I "lost out"  I learned something new, and it was a great experience.  I didn't know about mining with Amazon until 2 or so months in.  Just before gpus came out.  I was ignorant, I learned.  If others can't be bothered, it equates to giving away your knowledge, which is your only advantage, and thus socialism, which I personally am against. 

Now when I see people complaining about "no windows miners" I just laugh. 

I was trying to mine every coin launch with my few modest little home computers and occasional cloud instances back in the day and there definitely were pro instaminers with huge farms who had been doing it for a long time. And I mean people who had scripts for downloading and compiling the source, and firing up the wallet and start mining the second the source became available type of scripts.

[Taylor05]

Where did he state his hash rate?  Why was he buying up 20,000 coins at a time in those early days if he already got 40% of all the coins created?  And so many people knew how to rent amazon servers to mine via cpu.  There were so many people that knew and were doing it.  I think you are way off.  The highest estimate I could come up with was that Evan has 200,000 coins, including the ones he bought, minus what he spent on awards and other things.  I think also, that he is more than worth the price.

I don't recall exactly where I stumbled across it, I was researching Dash 6+ months ago.

I did however find a breakdown from another user who shows a similar result to what I calculated (first ~20 hours):

Dude, if you're going to quote me, you have to include it in context. I didn't "show a similar result". Did you even read my post? Those numbers require a bunch of rosy assumptions that simply can't be true:

1) It assumes that Evan was the ONLY miner for the first 500 blocks, which we know isn't true. There was at least one other developer at that time, I believe a friend of Evan's, but I'm not sure... so the "instamine" would have been split at least between two people
2) It assumes no one else was mining for the first 500 blocks (which may be the case... we'll never know, but I make this assumption in the interests of being conservative)
3) It assumes that Evan and Co had absolutely no down time for updating their miners, which is impossible... any downtime would reduce these assumptions
4) It assumes that once huge amounts of mining power joined beginning at block 500 that Evan didn't start experiencing an elevated level of rejects... this is unlikely as well since blocks were being created so rapidly at that time - literally seconds apart on average - that he and many others reported rejects, getting on wrong chains, having to reset, etc. Evan would have no way to be immune to these issues caused by the rapid creation of the blocks and network latency, so the true "networkhashps" is clearly understated during that period because many blocks were rejected and not counted.
5) It assumes that he never sold any Dash

EDIT: Not to mention that I was very clear that these numbers therefore constituted an UPPER LIMIT to refute claims by trolls (which I am starting to suspect you are) that Evan had instamined 1.8 million coins. This was proof that the claim was bogus. The real number is clearly much lower for all of the above reasons, which makes Evan's claimed amount of coins very much in line with what the data shows. If you are going to just ignore data, you are no longer just exhibiting "healthy scepticism" and I'm inclined to classify you as a troll yourself.

[Melech]

I don't recall exactly where I stumbled across it, I was researching Dash 6+ months ago.

At this point, I'm calling bullshit.

Sure, I've been spouting bullshit all week haven't I?

Fucking google it if you care that much... if you aren't a complete moron, you should find it

Edit: IIRC, the number I used was in the range of 600,000-660,000... slightly lower than the 711,222 used by Taylor05

[Melech]

Dude, if you're going to quote me, you have to include it in context. I didn't "show a similar result". Did you even read my post? Those numbers require a bunch of rosy assumptions that simply can't be true:

1) It assumes that Evan was the ONLY miner for the first 500 blocks, which we know isn't true. There was at least one other developer at that time, I believe a friend of Evan's, but I'm not sure... so the "instamine" would have been split at least between two people
2) It assumes no one else was mining for the first 500 blocks (which may be the case... we'll never know, but I make this assumption in the interests of being conservative)
3) It assumes that Evan and Co had absolutely no down time for updating their miners, which is impossible... any downtime would reduce these assumptions
4) It assumes that once huge amounts of mining power joined beginning at block 500 that Evan didn't start experiencing an elevated level of rejects... this is unlikely as well since blocks were being created so rapidly at that time - literally seconds apart on average - that he and many others reported rejects, getting on wrong chains, having to reset, etc. Evan would have no way to be immune to these issues caused by the rapid creation of the blocks and network latency, so the true "networkhashps" is clearly understated during that period because many blocks were rejected and not counted.
5) It assumes that he never sold any Dash

EDIT: Not to mention that I was very clear that these numbers therefore constituted an UPPER LIMIT to refute claims by trolls (which I am starting to suspect you are) that Evan had instamined 1.8 million coins. This was proof that the claim was bogus. The real number is clearly much lower for all of the above reasons, which makes Evan's claimed amount of coins very much in line with what the data shows. If you are going to just ignore data, you are no longer just exhibiting "healthy scepticism" and I'm inclined to classify you as a troll yourself.

I linked your quote, anyone could click it and read the entire quote.  They can also see you are a Dash supporter and not a troll, so your numbers are not complete bullshit...

Yes, you gave that as a worst case.  But, it is within 30% of my personal calculations... so I consider it corroborating evidence... YMMV

Not to mention, your chart is only for the first 10 hours! (3500 blocks)... IIRC, I used either 14 or 30 days to calculate 750,000 for Evan

[arielbit]

Where did he state his hash rate?  Why was he buying up 20,000 coins at a time in those early days if he already got 40% of all the coins created?  And so many people knew how to rent amazon servers to mine via cpu.  There were so many people that knew and were doing it.  I think you are way off.  The highest estimate I could come up with was that Evan has 200,000 coins, including the ones he bought, minus what he spent on awards and other things.  I think also, that he is more than worth the price.

I don't recall exactly where I stumbled across it, I was researching Dash 6+ months ago.

I did however find a breakdown from another user who shows a similar result to what I calculated (first ~20 hours):

Dude, if you're going to quote me, you have to include it in context. I didn't "show a similar result". Did you even read my post? Those numbers require a bunch of rosy assumptions that simply can't be true:

1) It assumes that Evan was the ONLY miner for the first 500 blocks, which we know isn't true. There was at least one other developer at that time, I believe a friend of Evan's, but I'm not sure... so the "instamine" would have been split at least between two people
2) It assumes no one else was mining for the first 500 blocks (which may be the case... we'll never know, but I make this assumption in the interests of being conservative)
3) It assumes that Evan and Co had absolutely no down time for updating their miners, which is impossible... any downtime would reduce these assumptions
4) It assumes that once huge amounts of mining power joined beginning at block 500 that Evan didn't start experiencing an elevated level of rejects... this is unlikely as well since blocks were being created so rapidly at that time - literally seconds apart on average - that he and many others reported rejects, getting on wrong chains, having to reset, etc. Evan would have no way to be immune to these issues caused by the rapid creation of the blocks and network latency, so the true "networkhashps" is clearly understated during that period because many blocks were rejected and not counted.
5) It assumes that he never sold any Dash

EDIT: Not to mention that I was very clear that these numbers therefore constituted an UPPER LIMIT to refute claims by trolls (which I am starting to suspect you are) that Evan had instamined 1.8 million coins. This was proof that the claim was bogus. The real number is clearly much lower for all of the above reasons, which makes Evan's claimed amount of coins very much in line with what the data shows. If you are going to just ignore data, you are no longer just exhibiting "healthy scepticism" and I'm inclined to classify you as a troll yourself.

assume .. assume ..la la la assume .. assume ..

Taylor05, signed up jan19, 2014...all first post darkcoin, non-newbie-ish posts and forever darkcoin 

what is your love at first sight story with darkcoin?

welcome to my list https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1282836.msg13200467#msg13200467

[Melech]

Dude, if you're going to quote me, you have to include it in context. I didn't "show a similar result". Did you even read my post? Those numbers require a bunch of rosy assumptions that simply can't be true:

1) It assumes that Evan was the ONLY miner for the first 500 blocks, which we know isn't true. There was at least one other developer at that time, I believe a friend of Evan's, but I'm not sure... so the "instamine" would have been split at least between two people
2) It assumes no one else was mining for the first 500 blocks (which may be the case... we'll never know, but I make this assumption in the interests of being conservative)
3) It assumes that Evan and Co had absolutely no down time for updating their miners, which is impossible... any downtime would reduce these assumptions
4) It assumes that once huge amounts of mining power joined beginning at block 500 that Evan didn't start experiencing an elevated level of rejects... this is unlikely as well since blocks were being created so rapidly at that time - literally seconds apart on average - that he and many others reported rejects, getting on wrong chains, having to reset, etc. Evan would have no way to be immune to these issues caused by the rapid creation of the blocks and network latency, so the true "networkhashps" is clearly understated during that period because many blocks were rejected and not counted.
5) It assumes that he never sold any Dash

EDIT: Not to mention that I was very clear that these numbers therefore constituted an UPPER LIMIT to refute claims by trolls (which I am starting to suspect you are) that Evan had instamined 1.8 million coins. This was proof that the claim was bogus. The real number is clearly much lower for all of the above reasons, which makes Evan's claimed amount of coins very much in line with what the data shows. If you are going to just ignore data, you are no longer just exhibiting "healthy scepticism" and I'm inclined to classify you as a troll yourself.

assume .. assume ..la la la assume .. assume ..

Taylor05, signed up jan19, 2014...all first post darkcoin, non-newbie-ish posts and forever darkcoin 

what is your love at first sight story with darkcoin?

welcome to my list https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1282836.msg13200467#msg13200467

I assume nothing... I do not assume Evan sold a bunch of Dash, nor do I assume he bought a bunch of Dash (though someone mentioned he was buying 20,000 at a time)
I don't assume he had an abnormal amount of downtime compared to anyone else... where do you get that shit?

[BrainShutdown]

I'm very concerned and want to educate you...

Bye  

One of the best we had here in months  

[gonedark]

I'm very concerned and want to educate you...

Bye  

One of the best we had here in months  

They are getting good. Melech is most likely Smooth or one of his operators

[Melech]

You guys really want to turn me from a supporter into a troll don't you?

Kill the heretic spouting truths!

(read: we cant handle the truth!)

[Melech]

They are getting good. Melech is most likely Smooth or one of his operators

If you weren't retarded, you could click on the link in my sig... stroll over to the Exposé section of my website, and read my report on Dash from 6 months ago...

Granted, at the time I didn't have to deal with you morons, so my opinion of Dash was a bit higher than it is currently

[aleix]

You guys really want to turn me from a supporter into a troll don't you?

Kill the heretic spouting truths!

(read: we cant handle the truth!)

Nah, you don't like the way it is? fork it, it's open source! Rename to Melechcoin and do it perfectly from the start.

DASH is not perfect, we all know that. We are working hard to improve it. Thnks for the concern. 

Have a nice day,

[BrainShutdown]

New ATH I believe 

[Melech]

Sometimes I wonder who trolls this thread more... the actual trolls, or the Dash supporters?

[aigeezer]

New ATH I believe 

I did my bit - finally put enough duffs together to get a new MN. Shoutout to Moocowmoo's aptly-named Magic Masternode Maker at masternode.me - that thing is so easy to use it really seems like magic. I found myself getting worried when it took a few extra seconds to set up this time (on another continent). Seconds! We are so spoiled.     

[Lebubar]

New ATH I believe 

I did my bit - finally put enough duffs together to get a new MN. Shoutout to Moocowmoo's aptly-named Magic Masternode Maker at masternode.me - that thing is so easy to use it really seems like magic. I found myself getting worried when it took a few extra seconds to set up this time (on another continent). Seconds! We are so spoiled.     

I'll put one more online tonight or tomorrow.
And I will try a new VPS service (19$/year). There was an option at 14 but took the $19 for my MN to be more confortable 

[dEBRUYNE]

I'm very concerned and want to educate you...

Bye  

One of the best we had here in months  

They are getting good. Melech is most likely Smooth or one of his operators

Such conspiracy.

His first DASH related posts are actually from five months ago. Also, this one kind of proves he is (or was?) holding MN(s) as well.

I'm getting an error on dashninja trying to look at my masternode:
page https://dashninja.pl/mndetails.html?mnpubkey=xxx

{"status":"ERROR","messages":["3: Error writing file '\/tmp\/#sql3b30_867f29_0.frm' (Errcode: 28 - No space left on device)"]}

[oaxaca]

I'll put one more online tonight or tomorrow.
And I will try a new VPS service (19$/year). There was an option at 14 but took the $19 for my MN to be more confortable 

I highly recommend these folks.  Their currently doing $12/year.  Zero downtime.

https://my.hostus.us/cart.php?a=confproduct&i=0

[Melech]

I'm not claiming to be Gordon Ramsay, but have any of you seen "Kitchen Nightmares"?

1) Why do you think Gordon focuses on the negative aspects of the business?

2) Do you think Gordon is trolling the restaurant, or is he there to help?

Learn to take things less personally and see constructive criticism for what is it... a guy trying to help, not troll

[Lebubar]

I'll put one more online tonight or tomorrow.
And I will try a new VPS service (19$/year). There was an option at 14 but took the $19 for my MN to be more confortable  

I highly recommend these folks.  Their currently doing $12/year.  Zero downtime.

https://my.hostus.us/cart.php?a=confproduct&i=0

Tks I'll try them for the next MN, as I already paid the $19 for this one