[ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency

[TaoOfSaatoshi]

I'm trying hard not to put you on ignore, as you do have some valid points, but posts like this make it hard. Please change your tone, or I will have to classify you among the pure trolls of this thread, as well as I'm sure others will. Keep it civil, dude! No speculations or assumptions...Keep it classy, please.

I'm not the troll, I'm a realist and I'm honest.  I'm certainly not a 'yes man'... If I see something fishy I have no problem calling attention to it...

I think Evan has put a lot of work into this project, and it has a lot of good things about it, but if you aren't skeptical when it comes to large amounts of money, you are not doing your due diligence... don't troll me for being skeptical of his motives

Not disrespecting your points, just your tone.

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[BusterNutBag]

I'm trying hard not to put you on ignore, as you do have some valid points, but posts like this make it hard. Please change your tone, or I will have to classify you among the pure trolls of this thread, as well as I'm sure others will. Keep it civil, dude! No speculations or assumptions...Keep it classy, please.

I'm not the troll, I'm a realist and I'm honest.  I'm certainly not a 'yes man'... If I see something fishy I have no problem calling attention to it...

I think Evan has put a lot of work into this project, and it has a lot of good things about it, but if you aren't skeptical when it comes to large amounts of money, you are not doing your due diligence... don't troll me for being skeptical of his motives

Thing is you are preaching to the choir
WE KNOW this - everything your writing
Heard it before
We'll surely hear it again and again

BUT I'M NOT GOING ANY WHERE!!!!!!!!

Nothing will chase me away from DASH



(his/her words read just like some of our famous trolls)
(seriously doubt this is a NEW person here)

[MasterMined710]

I didn't mean to change the topic, or call anyone out here, but the facts are the facts and I'm not going to hide them... The launch was bad, 1.85mil was mined in just the first 24 hours.  Only a linux version was compiled, so very few people got a large chunk of this 1.85mil (1850 MNs)...

It is what it is...

there actually was a window miner compiled at the launch because something went wrong and the launch was delayed until it could be fixed. it was fixed and by then somebody had compiled the windows miner and people were using it. it's all documented in the first several pages.

after that is when the 48hr ~2mill instamine happened. the launch was not pretty but it seems to have worked it's self out now. no coin that i know of has had a perfect launch that was fairly distributed. definitely not btc and while ltc was a bit better distribution wise they still had a small instamine due to their code. that code was partially responsible for our instamine because we were based on ltc code at the time.

out of the 3 (btc, ltc and DASH) i would say ltc may have the fairest distribution but it's hard to say. there still weren't that many miners back then but way more than btc but not anywhere as many as DASH. there are several btc people that have 1mil+ btc including satoshi.  illodine has said more people mined DASH the first day than mined btc the 1st year and from my research that sounds about right. no one really knows though.
with all the different variables in play it looks to me they all have about equal distribution with ltc #1 and DASH and BTC close behind. none of that distribution is "fair" in the big picture to the other 99% of the world population that does not own any crypto.

[Taylor05]

I'm trying hard not to put you on ignore, as you do have some valid points, but posts like this make it hard. Please change your tone, or I will have to classify you among the pure trolls of this thread, as well as I'm sure others will. Keep it civil, dude! No speculations or assumptions...Keep it classy, please.

I'm not the troll, I'm a realist and I'm honest.  I'm certainly not a 'yes man'... If I see something fishy I have no problem calling attention to it...

I think Evan has put a lot of work into this project, and it has a lot of good things about it, but if you aren't skeptical when it comes to large amounts of money, you are not doing your due diligence... don't troll me for being skeptical of his motives

This was my take on it a few months back. Might be worth a read. I think my analysis is about the closest thing to proof you can get that even under the rosiest assumptions, there isn't any way Evan could have 500 masternodes. It's not feasible and the numbers are all right there to back it up. Remember that my analysis was based on generous assumptions throughout.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg12689175#msg12689175

[aleix]

My point is more about the centralized launch of Dash and how that relates to voting...

With 1850 MNs in the hands of a handful of people, then you add in the 40-50% MN mining share, plus I assume some of them kept mining the whole time...

The first 24 hours alone accounts for 58% of the votes (not counting any accumulation from MNs)... how is that not centralized?

Because your assumption is simply incorrect, you want to jump from the first day launch to today like there was no trading over the last 2 years and two rallies in which Dash went all the way up to 15 USD and  6 USD respectively and millions in volume traded. I have never mined anything other than BTC with butterfly labs ASICS in which I lost money. So all the nodes I owned I acquired from the market, so I know first hand distribution is healthy.


You can read more details on this here:

https://dashdot.io/alpha/?page_id=118

And the official statement on the launch issues here:

https://dashtalk.org/threads/official-dash-instamine-issue-clarification.7569/#post-78081

Beyond that, I think the project current state clearly shows we are making progress so is a personal decision each person needs to take whether they want to be involved or not.  

^^

I bought some Dash for almost nothing in february / 2014. Yes, the distribution happened, I was there.

[DonQuijote]

our dash n drink machine's new face (first proto)

I have a cigarette dispenser, Would it be interesting to have it too?
Software could be adapted quickly (Rasp)

[hetecon]

did i hear this now is cryptnoote style coin?

[iCEBREAKER]

I'm trying hard not to put you on ignore, as you do have some valid points, but posts like this make it hard. Please change your tone, or I will have to classify you among the pure trolls of this thread, as well as I'm sure others will. Keep it civil, dude! No speculations or assumptions...Keep it classy, please.

I'm not the troll, I'm a realist and I'm honest.  I'm certainly not a 'yes man'... If I see something fishy I have no problem calling attention to it...

I think Evan has put a lot of work into this project, and it has a lot of good things about it, but if you aren't skeptical when it comes to large amounts of money, you are not doing your due diligence... don't troll me for being skeptical of his motives

Not disrespecting your points, just your tone.

Melech raises several excellent points.  First among them, why should we believe Fishy Evan the Instaminer or Otoh the Market Manipulator when they disclaim owning an overwhelming percentage of Masternodes?  I thought the benefit of blockchains is the deprecation of trust.

Your tone policing is a form of trolling.  This is not a self-moderated thread, so your concern about tone is inappropriate and off-topic.

Evan is free to start a self-moderated thread if he wishes to exclude all but gushingly pro-Dash cheerleading.

Speaking of which, it's funny how you True Believers' guileless, boot-licking tone is just fine, but anyone asking how we can trust the word of an instaminer needs to dial back the negativity.   

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I didn't mean to change the topic, or call anyone out here, but the facts are the facts and I'm not going to hide them... The launch was bad, 1.85mil was mined in just the first 24 hours.  Only a linux version was compiled, so very few people got a large chunk of this 1.85mil (1850 MNs)...

It is what it is...

there actually was a window miner compiled at the launch because something went wrong and the launch was delayed until it could be fixed. it was fixed and by then somebody had compiled the windows miner and people were using it. it's all documented in the first several pages.

Wrong.

Here's the (second) launch:

Pushed the changes to master-0.8!

You'll want to update to that source and add these nodes to your config! Good luck

Here's Evan asking someone to compile for Windows:

I compiled the exe for Windows... no blocks yet, just a bazillion rejects.

Any chance you could upload that windows client exe? I'd be willing to throw 5k XCO at you. Just make sure it's the latest source from github

Here's the first public Windows binaries:

who want windows binary
https://mega.co.nz/#!2VwmnA6S!amlj-hUJvfIIDJe5QWkesiIquDMixXMHA_MPhUojSjc

https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/78a11fbc446c2f5d682cd88037d568b4f545139514480bead8f83993f1d09625/analysis/1390121132/

Almost 5 hours passed (almost 2 hours before Evan even asked anyone to create Windows binaries). How many coins were mined in that time period?

[toknormal]

2 broken records for the price of one.

[BrainShutdown]

2 broken records for the price of one.

And free of charge with bump bonus 

[BrainShutdown]

did i hear this now is cryptnoote style coin?

No, this one is not cryptonote

https://dashtalk.org/threads/dashs-incredible-2015-and-a-gaze-into-the-crystal-balls-2016.7576/

[iCEBREAKER]

I didn't mean to change the topic, or call anyone out here, but the facts are the facts and I'm not going to hide them... The launch was bad, 1.85mil was mined in just the first 24 hours.  Only a linux version was compiled, so very few people got a large chunk of this 1.85mil (1850 MNs)...

It is what it is...

there actually was a window miner compiled at the launch because something went wrong and the launch was delayed until it could be fixed. it was fixed and by then somebody had compiled the windows miner and people were using it. it's all documented in the first several pages.

Wrong.

Here's the (second) launch:

Pushed the changes to master-0.8!

You'll want to update to that source and add these nodes to your config! Good luck

Here's Evan asking someone to compile for Windows:

I compiled the exe for Windows... no blocks yet, just a bazillion rejects.

Any chance you could upload that windows client exe? I'd be willing to throw 5k XCO at you. Just make sure it's the latest source from github

Here's the first public Windows binaries:

who want windows binary
https://mega.co.nz/#!2VwmnA6S!amlj-hUJvfIIDJe5QWkesiIquDMixXMHA_MPhUojSjc

https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/78a11fbc446c2f5d682cd88037d568b4f545139514480bead8f83993f1d09625/analysis/1390121132/

Almost 5 hours passed (almost 2 hours before Evan even asked anyone to create Windows binaries).

How many coins were mined in that time period?

The Dash community deserves an answer to that important question.

It's unacceptable for the usual suspects (who only post in Dash threads) to be so two-faced, saying with one side of their mouths the instamine isn't a big deal and is a good thing, while simultaneously attacking anyone with a different opinion (or tone).

[BrainShutdown]

Electrum-Dash with Trezor support released!

https://dashtalk.org/threads/electrum-dash-with-trezor-support-released.7584/

Yes, support for Masternodes on Trezor is the next step

Great news! 

[hetecon]

did i hear this now is cryptnoote style coin?

No, this one is not cryptonote

https://dashtalk.org/threads/dashs-incredible-2015-and-a-gaze-into-the-crystal-balls-2016.7576/

wow confusing to me. thanks

[Jestah]

did i hear this now is cryptnoote style coin?

No, this one is not cryptonote

https://dashtalk.org/threads/dashs-incredible-2015-and-a-gaze-into-the-crystal-balls-2016.7576/

wow confusing to me. thanks

....because of all the Monero people in here, right?

[AzzAz]

Trolls are here! Time to buy!

[iCEBREAKER]

did i hear this now is cryptnoote style coin?

No, this one is not cryptonote

https://dashtalk.org/threads/dashs-incredible-2015-and-a-gaze-into-the-crystal-balls-2016.7576/

wow confusing to me. thanks

....because of all the Monero people in here, right?

No, because the Dictator of Darkcoin decided in haste to steal another communities' coin name, which happened to be based on plain-vanilla cryptonote.

The rebrand was an unforced error; an epic own goal.  It simultaneously alienated the "Dark" supporters and enraged the Dashcoin people, creating two enemies for no good reason other than the hope a rebrand would miraculously lift Darkcoin into 'legitmate mainstream' status.

[MasterMined710]

I didn't mean to change the topic, or call anyone out here, but the facts are the facts and I'm not going to hide them... The launch was bad, 1.85mil was mined in just the first 24 hours.  Only a linux version was compiled, so very few people got a large chunk of this 1.85mil (1850 MNs)...

It is what it is...

there actually was a window miner compiled at the launch because something went wrong and the launch was delayed until it could be fixed. it was fixed and by then somebody had compiled the windows miner and people were using it. it's all documented in the first several pages.

Wrong.

Here's the (second) launch:

Pushed the changes to master-0.8!

You'll want to update to that source and add these nodes to your config! Good luck

Here's Evan asking someone to compile for Windows:

I compiled the exe for Windows... no blocks yet, just a bazillion rejects.

Any chance you could upload that windows client exe? I'd be willing to throw 5k XCO at you. Just make sure it's the latest source from github

Here's the first public Windows binaries:

who want windows binary
https://mega.co.nz/#!2VwmnA6S!amlj-hUJvfIIDJe5QWkesiIquDMixXMHA_MPhUojSjc

https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/78a11fbc446c2f5d682cd88037d568b4f545139514480bead8f83993f1d09625/analysis/1390121132/

Almost 5 hours passed (almost 2 hours before Evan even asked anyone to create Windows binaries). How many coins were mined in that time period?

we've been over this ad nauseum.
this guy compiled it before launch. others could have done the same or wait for the release you quoted.

I compiled the exe for Windows... no blocks yet, just a bazillion rejects.

he did something wrong but eventually he figured it out.

update doesn't compile:

init.cpp:745:15: error: operator '!' has no right operand

Hmmm, I didn't update that part of the code. Although, I just updated again so try:

git reset --hard HEAD
git pull origin master-0.8
make clean
make

Yeah, my bad, I botched the layover of the makefile on the update. Oh well still no blocks, must be in a bad location... Gave me something to do before bedtime...

like i said the launch was not pretty and had issues. the issues were probably just as bad as the hyper inflationary monero cripplemine launch issues and multi-thread monero ninja launch by a scam dev that y'all had to kick out.  

dude where's my GUI?

[smooth]

we've been over this ad nauseum.
this guy compiled it before launch. others could have done the same or wait for the release you quoted.

Yes I agree (some) people could have compiled it themselves. That does leave out a lot of users though, within those first critical few hours.

Although...even this guy likely compiled it for the first time after launch. Linux users too for that matter. Evan didn't release the new source code until one minute before launch. I'm not sure whether it is possible to compile it on any reasonable (mainstream) computer within one minute. And with 500K+ coins mined in the first hour, minutes count...

like i said the launch was not pretty and had issues. the issues were probably just as bad as the hyper inflationary monero cripplemine launch issues and multi-thread monero ninja launch by a scam dev that y'all had to kick out.  

There was no hyperinflation certainly. The rate of coin distribution was right on schedule within a few minutes.

dude where's my GUI?

Here's one of many, from over a year ago: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=903579.0

2014 called, they want their "no GUI" FUD back.