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September 07, 2018, 08:58:38 AM

Dash Decentral begins! Please enjoy our first episode.



#DashDecentral #DashNation

Cool will be very interesting seeing how this develops. The host looks like he's in a UFO  Cheesy
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I think this is an interesting debate.

I think most of the crypto people are fom US and Europe. We all have tech instruction. Probably with a job and a stable life.

But for the people of Venezuela or Zimbabwe this is real. This crypto movement are affecting and improving his real day to day life.

We are witnessing the implementation of the cryto in real world. It's happening now in these countries.  And probably this poor countries will lead us (with all contradictions and problems) in our own crypto adoption.

I'm not here for my personal profit. I want the crypto to help and improve peoples lives. And i'm happy DASH is an important part of it.  

just my 2 cents.

There is no conflict between personal profit and improving people's lives in a free market. Profit is the reward entrepreneurs get for serving their fellow man efficiently. In real capitalism, every trade is win-win because if it wasn't it wouldn't happen.



But then why are you against Dash in VZ? Its win win. As I said before you seem like someone desperate to find reasons you are right to be bearish when you sold Dash at the bottom.

Dash taking off in VZ is good for Dash and good for the people of VZ who have an outlet from their national currency which is going down the toilet. Do you agree?
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I think this is an interesting debate.

I think most of the crypto people are fom US and Europe. We all have tech instruction. Probably with a job and a stable life.

But for the people of Venezuela or Zimbabwe this is real. This crypto movement are affecting and improving his real day to day life.

We are witnessing the implementation of the cryto in real world. It's happening now in these countries.  And probably this poor countries will lead us (with all contradictions and problems) in our own crypto adoption.

I'm not here for my personal profit. I want the crypto to help and improve peoples lives. And i'm happy DASH is an important part of it.  

just my 2 cents.

There is no conflict between personal profit and improving people's lives in a free market. Profit is the reward entrepreneurs get for serving their fellow man efficiently. In real capitalism, every trade is win-win because if it wasn't it wouldn't happen.



But then why are you against Dash in VZ? Its win win. As I said before you seem like someone desperate to find reasons you are right to be bearish when you sold Dash at the bottom.

Dash taking off in VZ is good for Dash and good for the people of VZ who have an outlet from their national currency which is going down the toilet. Do you agree?

...and there are others (coins) competing hard for same market. Are they stupid too? DASH is just doing best there.
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Those greedy capitalists are giving those poor people jobs, and it's their capital that makes the poor more productive, for the same reason a backhoe driver is more productive than a guy with a shovel. They did it because they saved (or somebody did) when others spent.

The Venezuelans and the Zimbabweans ELECTED those thieves originally because they only thaught the thief/politicians would steal from the rich. Well guess what? They stole from everybody they could. That's what thieves do, and it's hard to feel sorry for them as a group. SOME were unfairly punished, but punishing me when I saved doesn't mean more justice. It means less. You wanna fight poverty? Don't be poor. It's a great first step.

I dont see capitalism as a system of justice, I'm not against it because obviously it works out alot better then a fixed system such as a military dictatorship or any command economy.  It also works better then socialism which is where many people are surprised.
But theres no justice in capitalism, its just about the system serving efficiency more then any person or section of society.   If someone can serve and produce a cheaper price then they will profit from what long term must be a more efficient way of handling that business.
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September 07, 2018, 01:34:56 PM


Dash Activates Spork 10, Masternodes Continue Upgrading to be Accepted in Next Payment Cycle


The Dash network recently activated Spork 10 (SPORK_10_MASTERNODE_PAY_UPDATED_NODES), which will make only Masternodes running v12.3 qualify for the next payment cycle.

Due to the activation, there was a significant drop off in the number of active Masternodes from just over 4800 to a little below 4600. The count has already quickly recovered to 4667 active Masternodes, at the time of writing.



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I think this is an interesting debate.

I think most of the crypto people are fom US and Europe. We all have tech instruction. Probably with a job and a stable life.

But for the people of Venezuela or Zimbabwe this is real. This crypto movement are affecting and improving his real day to day life.

We are witnessing the implementation of the cryto in real world. It's happening now in these countries.  And probably this poor countries will lead us (with all contradictions and problems) in our own crypto adoption.

I'm not here for my personal profit. I want the crypto to help and improve peoples lives. And i'm happy DASH is an important part of it.  

just my 2 cents.

There is no conflict between personal profit and improving people's lives in a free market. Profit is the reward entrepreneurs get for serving their fellow man efficiently. In real capitalism, every trade is win-win because if it wasn't it wouldn't happen.



But then why are you against Dash in VZ? Its win win. As I said before you seem like someone desperate to find reasons you are right to be bearish when you sold Dash at the bottom.

Dash taking off in VZ is good for Dash and good for the people of VZ who have an outlet from their national currency which is going down the toilet. Do you agree?

I'm not against Dash in VZ, but I am against spending too much treasury there because I think it's a good possibility we are just fattening up the sheep for Maduro to sheer. Or skin. Their currency isn't "going down the toilet" accidentally. This is what happens when theft becomes a country's top industry.

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I think this is an interesting debate.

I think most of the crypto people are fom US and Europe. We all have tech instruction. Probably with a job and a stable life.

But for the people of Venezuela or Zimbabwe this is real. This crypto movement are affecting and improving his real day to day life.

We are witnessing the implementation of the cryto in real world. It's happening now in these countries.  And probably this poor countries will lead us (with all contradictions and problems) in our own crypto adoption.

I'm not here for my personal profit. I want the crypto to help and improve peoples lives. And i'm happy DASH is an important part of it.  

just my 2 cents.

There is no conflict between personal profit and improving people's lives in a free market. Profit is the reward entrepreneurs get for serving their fellow man efficiently. In real capitalism, every trade is win-win because if it wasn't it wouldn't happen.



But then why are you against Dash in VZ? Its win win. As I said before you seem like someone desperate to find reasons you are right to be bearish when you sold Dash at the bottom.

Dash taking off in VZ is good for Dash and good for the people of VZ who have an outlet from their national currency which is going down the toilet. Do you agree?

I'm not against Dash in VZ, but I am against spending too much treasury there because I think it's a good possibility we are just fattening up the sheep for Maduro to sheer. Or skin. Their currency isn't "going down the toilet" accidentally. This is what happens when theft becomes a country's top industry.

Compared to other marketing campaigns,  the VZ proposals are relatively small and has serious potential.
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September 07, 2018, 05:10:47 PM


I dont see capitalism as a system of justice, I'm not against it because obviously it works out alot better then a fixed system such as a military dictatorship or any command economy.  It also works better then socialism which is where many people are surprised.
But theres no justice in capitalism, its just about the system serving efficiency more then any person or section of society.   If someone can serve and produce a cheaper price then they will profit from what long term must be a more efficient way of handling that business.


So if there is no system that is more just, then capitalism is the best we've got. "Fair" is a completely subjective term anyway. Is it fair that I can't be a pro basketball player no matter how hard I practice because I'm too short and lack the natural talent?  How lame would it be to watch Bball if it WAS more fair? (actually we know. It would be the WNBA).  

So right. It's not even supposed to be a system of justice, because the only way to make everybody equal is to kill everybody and make us all equally dead.  Anything that works in that direction (like Communism) only differs by a matter of degree.  Capitalism makes most people a little better off and a few people much better off.  Pareto wealth distribution actually remains about the same in every economic and political system. This is because there are a few hyperproductive people in any society, a lot of moderately productive people and some non-productive people.

I'm not saying people who are economically nonproductive have no value. I'm saying they have no economic value. Helping these people should be an individual choice. Helping them with treasury funds is effectively stealing resources from our community to fund the pet charity project of the majority of MNOs at the expense of the minority and other stakeholders.

What if we actually DO prevent a collapse in Venezuela? Doesn't that mean the Communist regime stays in power? Russians are better off after the Soviet Union collapsed. Often things have to get worse before they get better, and I fear that is exactly what needs to happen for the Dash community to see that subsidizing economies based on public and private theft is not a good investment strategy.

There is an old saying: "Charity begins at home". This is because we know better who needs charity and who best deserves help with local information.


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Dash Decentral Episode 1 - Global Cryptocurrency Community

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I believe there are many investors who would invest in Dash who don't because they don't like how we spend our money. I can't prove it, but nobody can prove it's not true either unless we stop wasting treasury funds on risky proposals as much. 

Does fattening Maduro's sheep benefit the sheep more than it benefits Maduro? Even if we were funding a political revolution in VZ, is that what treasury funds are for? Or is this Nike-like virtue signaling? Judging by the performance of Nike stock and the price of Dash, it appears similar to me.

MNOs have a fiduciary obligation to all Dash holders to maximize trading price on a long term time scale. I believe we are failing them.

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Dash is a coin with high use case potential. It should do well in the future.

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September 07, 2018, 07:06:53 PM

it  won't return the investment in terms of increasing Dash's value because these people don't have very much money.

If each person has just a few dollars, even tens of millions of them are fairly insignificant really.

I think you are missing the point to a capitalist economy in general.  Its not about serving the richest people in the world who have already made a fortune, it should really be about enabling growth especially in parts of the world where it is currently restricted or underserved for various reasons.

The majority of wealth in the world orbits around politics and military strength.   The very poorest people who you discard as insignificant importance have one important characteristic even the largest of companies and wealth cannot challenge which is the potential for growth.  The very smallest entities in an economy always represent the fastest possible growth and because there are millions of them this effect can be massive and game changing and justify all of that crypto network allowing them to proceed despite being normally disadvantaged in a world biased to the largest scales of economy

No, YOU'RE missing the point. Capitalism is about managing capital. It's about rewarding the productive and punishing the unproductive.

Yes capitalism isn't about serving anyone rich or poor, or managing anything least of all the economy. Its about free markets - each person looks after their own financial interests and tries to make money and the big picture manages itself without needing central planners.

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Dash Now Accepted at Over 3,000 Merchants Worldwide


Over 3,000 businesses worldwide now accept Dash for payments, with nearly half of them located in Venezuela.

According to global Dash merchant directory DiscoverDash, over 3,000 businesses around the world now accept payment in Dash. This number has significantly risen recently as Dash has experienced an explosion in merchant adoption. This figure is up from 2,300 just 15 days ago, equaling nearly 50 new businesses added daily over that period.



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September 08, 2018, 03:13:53 AM

it  won't return the investment in terms of increasing Dash's value because these people don't have very much money.

If each person has just a few dollars, even tens of millions of them are fairly insignificant really.

I think you are missing the point to a capitalist economy in general.  Its not about serving the richest people in the world who have already made a fortune, it should really be about enabling growth especially in parts of the world where it is currently restricted or underserved for various reasons.

The majority of wealth in the world orbits around politics and military strength.   The very poorest people who you discard as insignificant importance have one important characteristic even the largest of companies and wealth cannot challenge which is the potential for growth.  The very smallest entities in an economy always represent the fastest possible growth and because there are millions of them this effect can be massive and game changing and justify all of that crypto network allowing them to proceed despite being normally disadvantaged in a world biased to the largest scales of economy

No, YOU'RE missing the point. Capitalism is about managing capital. It's about rewarding the productive and punishing the unproductive.

Yes capitalism isn't about serving anyone rich or poor, or managing anything least of all the economy. Its about free markets - each person looks after their own financial interests and tries to make money and the big picture manages itself without needing central planners.

I can live with that definition.

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There is no conflict between personal profit and improving people's lives in a free market. Profit is the reward entrepreneurs get for serving their fellow man efficiently. In real capitalism, every trade is win-win because if it wasn't it wouldn't happen.



But then why are you against Dash in VZ? Its win win. As I said before you seem like someone desperate to find reasons you are right to be bearish when you sold Dash at the bottom.

Dash taking off in VZ is good for Dash and good for the people of VZ who have an outlet from their national currency which is going down the toilet. Do you agree?

I'm not against Dash in VZ, but I am against spending too much treasury there because I think it's a good possibility we are just fattening up the sheep for Maduro to sheer. Or skin. Their currency isn't "going down the toilet" accidentally. This is what happens when theft becomes a country's top industry.

I never said the currency of Venezuela was going down the toilet 'accidentally' or indeed by design. But regardless of whichever way it is, giving the people of Venezuela a way to transact outside of that is good for them no? Who are the sheep you are referring to?    What is happening in VZ is an extreme version of what happens everywhere, theft of wealth via money printing. If you go outside that system, ie by using Dash you are avoiding that theft of wealth and managing to keep hold of it for yourself. That is not fattening Maduro or any central banker. But it does benefit Dash and ordinary users of Dash, because the dash is seen to be valuable and confidence in it increases. Dash can't be devalued by money printing in any sense that central bankers do it



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I believe there are many investors who would invest in Dash who don't because they don't like how we spend our money. I can't prove it, but nobody can prove it's not true either unless we stop wasting treasury funds on risky proposals as much.  

Does fattening Maduro's sheep benefit the sheep more than it benefits Maduro? Even if we were funding a political revolution in VZ, is that what treasury funds are for? Or is this Nike-like virtue signaling? Judging by the performance of Nike stock and the price of Dash, it appears similar to me.

MNOs have a fiduciary obligation to all Dash holders to maximize trading price on a long term time scale. I believe we are failing them.

Again with Maduro's sheep. What do you mean by that? What are you on about funding a revolution? Where is the proposal for that?
If you disagree with the way funds are spent you can vote for alternative proposals instead, if you have any masternode(s). Or why not try to come up with some constructive arguments about alternative proposals that treasury funding could be used on, highlight some that give better value in your opinion.
Your VZ arguments are not at all compelling to me or even make sense.
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Dash is a very good anonymous encrypted currency, the technical strength of the project team is good, Dash's price is worth looking forward to investors
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Yes capitalism isn't about serving anyone rich or poor, or managing anything least of all the economy. Its about free markets - each person looks after their own financial interests and tries to make money and the big picture manages itself without needing central planners.

Its funny how so many of the worlds problems are blamed on capitalism when in fact central planning is the root cause of most of it. Look no further than central banks to see the ultimate centrally planned monopoly control over value of all things in all countries. Hopefully crypto defeats this paradigm.
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September 08, 2018, 09:52:54 AM

Dash. We have known this coin for a long time. But, a lot of other coins appeared on a more perfect platform. Concerning centralization. For example, Ripple is centralized and this circumstance does not prevent this coin from being one of the most successful. Also, Ripple is used for transactions between banks.

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Yes capitalism isn't about serving anyone rich or poor, or managing anything least of all the economy. Its about free markets - each person looks after their own financial interests and tries to make money and the big picture manages itself without needing central planners.

Yes, that is quite right.

The critical central planning, if you can call it that, is having a strong government which can create the framework of laws within which capitalism can operate. Draft the framework carefully, uphold the laws properly, have a small safety net for the weakest, and then let everyone then look after themselves.


Not to be confused with central planning of govt interference in the free market, which we all know is a disaster.
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