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August 07, 2021, 11:49:55 PM

DASH ranked #21 in the CCID's index.   Grin
http://special.ccidnet.com/pub-bc-eval/index.shtml
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August 09, 2021, 04:45:29 PM

This shit will fly from everywhere soon
DASH ranked #21 in the CCID's index.   Grin
http://special.ccidnet.com/pub-bc-eval/index.shtml
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August 09, 2021, 07:27:16 PM


Dash Core Group Announces the Launch of Platform v0.20 to Testnet
https://newsroom.dash.org/151340-dash-core-group-announces-the-launch-of-platform-v020-to-testnet
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August 13, 2021, 06:57:50 AM

New proposal from CrayPay https://www.dashcentral.org/p/DDVirtualVisa to enable the use of DASH to pay at any merchant accepting VISA.  The solution on the table would be non-custodial and no KYC.  Vote now.
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August 13, 2021, 05:52:39 PM

I not understand. The dash volumes in May were over 2 billion and the price 500 dollars while in 2017 not even 1 billion volumes and the price 1500 dollars. There is anyone who keeps the price low to blow it up later?
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August 13, 2021, 11:11:21 PM
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I not understand. The dash volumes in May were over 2 billion and the price 500 dollars while in 2017 not even 1 billion volumes and the price 1500 dollars. There is anyone who keeps the price low to blow it up later?

In 2017 we hadn't reached nodecount equilibrium. Now we have.

So instead of supply going into masternodes, it's now spewing out of them (and onto exchanges). Masternodes do not have to "buy" their rewards as miners do. So they are no longer supporting the price but instead are pummelling it.

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August 14, 2021, 11:58:12 PM

There will be huge growth soon. Pump!
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August 15, 2021, 04:33:17 AM

The biggest ever individual DASH buyer recently spent approx $20 million USD (a new world record) on DASH and turned into new Masternodes just a couple days ago.

https://www.tradingview.com/x/DjaVP0BO/

Creating the magnificent spike in MN numbers as seen on this chart

https://mnowatch.org/dash-stats/?20210814064011

and you can see it on Tokenormal's long term chart too.  It looks like some people still see value in DASH, it looks like trustless masternodes are still pretty dope.  Remember unlike DeFi, with DASH masternodes no one can steal your DASH, there are no admin keys, there are no rug pulls, you always have control of your private keys, you can and should keep them offline at all times.  DASH solves for this.  DASH is superior.
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August 15, 2021, 04:08:14 PM

The biggest ever individual DASH buyer recently spent approx $20 million USD (a new world record) on DASH and turned into new Masternodes just a couple days ago.

It is the biggest growth of DASH masternodes in the last one year.

It is only half of the plummet from 5000+ MN to around 4600 MN but it is very impressive. I don't know it is a growth from past investors who had to shut down their nodes and just upgraded theirs and come back to the network with their nodes or they are really new DASH investors

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August 20, 2021, 08:11:51 AM

dash has become a big platform also under bitcoin, apart from other platforms, dash has become big with its different system and with very high progress since this platform was launched

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August 20, 2021, 12:18:56 PM


dash has become a big platform also under bitcoin, apart from other platforms, dash has become big with its different system and with very high progress since this platform was launched

For such a "big platform" it doesn't seem to be seeing much use does it ?

There's always #pumpiscoming




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August 20, 2021, 12:32:53 PM

For such a "big platform" it doesn't seem to be seeing much use does it ?
DASH daily transactions fall from 20k to 10k. Any explanation for recent drop of total transactions?

It looks weird because total masternodes on the network rallied very strong weeks ago. Price is recovering in the last week.

Dash Transactions chart from bitinfocharts.com

I try to check with DASH, LTC, ETC, and XMR. Only DASH has big drop in total transactions.

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August 20, 2021, 11:43:38 PM


Price is recovering in the last week.

Because we're getting a tiny bit of growth from the massive capital inflows to bitcoin and crypto in general.

But nothing that does justice to Dash's unique technological innovation that allows it to absorb as much mining interest as bitcoin while supporting a service protocol at blockchain level which bitcoin cannot.

The reason for that is that the protocol has been rigged to give away more than half the supply for zero dollars rather than exposing it to competitive bidding as all our contemporary fully-mined competitors did (and have therefore ended up with better store-of-value performance and consequently more blockchain use than we have).
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August 21, 2021, 10:03:30 PM


Price is recovering in the last week.

Because we're getting a tiny bit of growth from the massive capital inflows to bitcoin and crypto in general.

Nonsense Tok, you are doing a disservice to those that read these pages.  DASH is rising in price because of internal demand to stake a trustless DASH Masternode which is seeing thousands of DASH removed from exchange orderbooks and deposited securely into working DASH Masternodes as can be seen on the chart below.
https://mnowatch.org/dash-stats/?20210821172011
DASH is now in Pokemon mode, gotta catch them all.  It is a vicious cycle of accumulating DASH and putting them into mnodes, which drives the price higher increasing the MN ROI and thus driving even more demand into the coin.  This will culminate with a feverish FOMO that will see the price sky rocket to the shock of most people that missed the move.  History repeats.
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August 21, 2021, 10:29:02 PM
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DASH is rising in price because of internal demand to stake a trustless DASH Masternode which is seeing thousands of DASH removed from exchange orderbooks

Could be yes, could be not. I see 4516 nodes. You see ~4700 using your metrics. Either way it's the change in MN count that causes the price rise. Once it reaches the new equilibrium stable nodecount that's when we get the problem again - of cancerous free monetary issuance tanking the price as it spills onto exchanges.

i.e. you're proving my point - that it's the 1st derivative of masternode count that causes the marketcap growth, not the count itself. Therefore a strategy is needed to optimise marketcap when masternode growth rate is zero. That is the strategy I outlined here (and quantified here) so that we could more intelligently target the "sweet-spot" optimal store-of-value performance point illustrated here.
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August 21, 2021, 11:03:35 PM

Therefore a strategy is needed to optimise marketcap when growth rate is zero.
and we have activated that strategy, we are moving more of the block rewards to the masternodes to reward them for their investment.  This is fostering the ongoing investment into masternodes and mopping up the circulating supply.  Refer to https://docs.dash.org/en/stable/introduction/features.html#block-reward-allocation  for the implemented schedule and Ryan TAYLOR's discussion of the topic on youtube.
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August 21, 2021, 11:09:34 PM
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Therefore a strategy is needed to optimise marketcap when growth rate is zero.

and we have activated that strategy, we are moving more of the block rewards to the masternodes to reward them for their investment.



Did you read a single thing I wrote above ?

We're not rewarding masternodes for their investment if they don't hold their dollar value after the nodecount stabilises. We're penalising them for their investment.

(Note I said after the nodecount stabilises, so your reference price for store-of-value metrics - according to your own criteria - is the Dash price once the new nodecount equilibrium is reached. Not some "got in early" pre-pump price).
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By offering a return on investment we are incentivising DASH ownership.  Think of it like a bank, if the interest rate is high, you put your money in it to earn interest, if it is low or negative you take money out of the bank and speculate on meme stocks.  By paying holders of DASH for holding we are creating a positive feedback loop there which creates an underlying demand on the coin.  Currently a 1000 DASH earns roughly 6.5% more DASH after a year and that is not too bad for a completely trustless, rug proof protocol such the DASH masternode network.

You mention equilibrium, tok, but we both know markets overshoot to the upside and the downside, perhaps we've overshot to the downside with considerable selling from weak hands in the bull run of Q1 this year and now we will overshoot to the upside as this mania takes hold, that would be my guess.
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By offering a return on investment we are incentivising DASH ownership...By paying holders of DASH for holding we are creating a positive feedback loop there which creates an underlying demand on the coin.  Currently a 1000 DASH earns roughly 6.5% more DASH

This only works if you measure your wealth in Dash. Nobody does that. They measure their return against whatever currency they invested to acquire the holding and against other assets that they "might" have invested in (opportunity cost).

Dash therefore cannot "pay ROI". Only the market can do that (by revaluing the masternode collateral which has far more to do with "ROI" than masternode rewards do). Lets say an investor buys a masternode for $200. Then the price drops to $170. It would take more than 2 FULL YEARS of masternode rewards just to recover that loss and break even again assuming the price didn't correct any further.

So the protocol should be optimising ROI from capital gain, not from masternode reward *. Then the rewards will take care of themselves. The two are completely distinct concepts to the extent that increasing masternode reward beyond the optimal point, DECREASES ROI by having an adverse impact on the exchange rate (which in turn devalues the collateral). This is what we always see once the nodecount reaches equilibrium.

* There are a whole host of other advantages from this, not least that ROI from capital gain does not attract tax whereas masternode rewards do, so we'd be ditching a whole lot of statutory compliance selling pressure which we have now

To this point:

Think of it like a bank, if the interest rate is high, you put your money in it to earn interest

Ok, lets "think of it like a bank". Here you can see exactly the problem. You don't earn interest just by having a balance. The bank has to re-invest your balance in some economic activity that generates NEW WEALTH. That activity has to be profitable to the extent that there is a surplus to pay your interest. So that could be road building, oil extraction, commercial services whatever.

Masternode collateral is only "invested' to the extent that the role of the node generates economic activity that revalues that collateral. In Dash's case there is no such onchain token-burning activity (like De-FI tokens have) so it has to be monetary velocity. But you can see from the above trends that that that has dropped to near nothing. So we're back to Dash original inheritance from bitcoin - store of value. We are offering scarcity and we should just admit that. Scarcity is optimised through mining (because competitive mining maximises the cost of acquisition from the primary supply). To compete against bitcoin we then add back in services but not by compromising scarcity the way we are at the moment, rather by selecting the reward ratio that optimises capital gain (described a couple of posts back).



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