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Author Topic: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency  (Read 9722509 times)
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August 05, 2021, 02:23:28 PM
Last edit: August 05, 2021, 02:57:29 PM by toknormal


Watch as this project takes off and your left in ancient history.

Really ?

I wonder on what basis you make that claim. More of the same ? I hope not because we've looked on for a year and a half now as Dash has lost out to every last one of its fully mined contemporaries. We've also seen the nodecount decouple from its long term projection and exhibit a chronic decline over that period. We dropped out of the top 30 rankings, then 40 then 50. Any marketcap growth we've scraped up has been proxying for bitcoin - piggy back style.

In other words exactly the reverse of the intended outcome of our "store of value" protocol measures who's re-appraisal you're so comfortable with dismissing. (And exactly as I predicted over a year ago).

Against that background, I admire your faith but be reminded that that's all it is..."blind faith".
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August 06, 2021, 07:02:28 AM

We've also seen the nodecount decouple from its long term projection and exhibit a chronic decline over that period.

Tok, I've asked around about that trendline and no one has the same recollection as I do.  I seem to remember Evan saying that for some reason the node count in the network would maintain that percentage of the supply, I believe it was 60% forever, because of some reason, do you recall where that silly trendline came from the faulty reasoning behind it?
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August 06, 2021, 11:30:50 AM
Last edit: August 06, 2021, 07:49:04 PM by toknormal


Tok, I've asked around about that trendline

One of Ryan's objectives behind the protocol change to address "store of value" was to hoover up more of the supply into masternode collateral to offset our excess emission over competitors (like bitcoin).

So he calculated that increasing the masternode reward would do this. But this was a mis-calculation for 2 reasons;

1. he wrongly identified miners as the most corrosive to price, claiming they are biggest "sellers" when they are in fact brokers with a buy AND a sell operation. Miners generate demand for the primary supply and you have to take this into account when looking at the whole economic equation. You can't ignore it as Ryan did otherwise the conclusion is just a self-fulfilling prophecy. This is partly why we got trounced by all fully mined competitors over the last year - he got it the wrong way around by dismissing 50% of the "buy side" of the primary market as unnecessary for technical reasons. We don't have an on-chain sink so this cannot be dismissed

2. The Masternode component of the block reward does not represent ROI. You don't necessarily increase ROI by increasing the reward because ROI = (reward + capital gain on the collateral) and the latter is usually the bigger element of ROI being that the collateral is very large. There will therefore be a point of diminishing returns on MN block reward where (due to point 1) increasing the masternode reward simply corrodes the price compared with our fully mined competitors and makes them a better store of value than Dash

All the competitive characteristics of how Dash has traded over the last 18 months (AND before) indicate that we are well past that point of diminishing returns and that our protocol reward ratio is actually pushing us down the rankings. It's not rocket science - the protocol puts a price on extraction of a coin. If you set that "issue price" to zero on 6 out of 10 coins while your competitors issue all theirs to the highest bidder, what else do you expect ?

Dash is a very powerfull economic competitor to bitcoin (bitcoin with services) but the appropriate way to maximise its competitive store-of-value would be to look for the "sweet spot". Get it wrong and we slide down the rankings. Getting it right requires a bit more of a sophisticated approach than simply ramping up the MN reward and hoping for the best. I have proposed that the "sweet-spot" is found by A: identifying an intermediate target price and B: setting the reward ratio so that miner-masternode profitability is roughly at parity at that price. That would maximise dollar-denominated ROI for masternodes instead of Dash-denominated rewards. But other proposals may be viable. What we have right now is not working and will only continue to "not work" (compared with our fully mined equivalents) as long as we leave it alone.
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August 07, 2021, 05:28:51 AM


Tok, I've asked around about that trendline

One of Ryan's objectives behind the protocol change to blah blah, off topic boulder dash

Tok, you are so cunning and deceitful have you considered a career in politics?  You seem perfectly suited to it.  I was asking who came up with that stupid trendline on Crowning's chart, not giving you an open floor to once again rant and spout bull poop.  The actual number of mnodes was breaking away from that trendline longer before Ryan decided to tinker with the emissions, which if you will note resulted in a massive increase in the masternode numbers exactly as Ryan had predicted!  Answer the question or keep your venomous trap shut!  Angry
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August 07, 2021, 07:25:32 AM
Last edit: August 07, 2021, 05:14:36 PM by toknormal


keep your venomous trap shut!

You mean in highlighting the self-governance banana skin of Masternodes voting to pay masternodes more free coins for running a $10 a month node and pretending that makes us more investable  ?

See you in the top 70 Wink Reasons listed above.

(Or you could always cling to the "happened to Doge, it could happen to us" school of monetary analysis Wink )
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August 07, 2021, 11:49:55 PM

DASH ranked #21 in the CCID's index.   Grin
http://special.ccidnet.com/pub-bc-eval/index.shtml
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August 09, 2021, 04:45:29 PM

This shit will fly from everywhere soon
DASH ranked #21 in the CCID's index.   Grin
http://special.ccidnet.com/pub-bc-eval/index.shtml
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August 09, 2021, 07:27:16 PM


Dash Core Group Announces the Launch of Platform v0.20 to Testnet
https://newsroom.dash.org/151340-dash-core-group-announces-the-launch-of-platform-v020-to-testnet
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August 11, 2021, 10:18:30 AM

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August 13, 2021, 06:57:50 AM

New proposal from CrayPay https://www.dashcentral.org/p/DDVirtualVisa to enable the use of DASH to pay at any merchant accepting VISA.  The solution on the table would be non-custodial and no KYC.  Vote now.
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August 13, 2021, 05:52:39 PM

I not understand. The dash volumes in May were over 2 billion and the price 500 dollars while in 2017 not even 1 billion volumes and the price 1500 dollars. There is anyone who keeps the price low to blow it up later?
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August 13, 2021, 11:11:21 PM
Last edit: August 13, 2021, 11:34:17 PM by toknormal


I not understand. The dash volumes in May were over 2 billion and the price 500 dollars while in 2017 not even 1 billion volumes and the price 1500 dollars. There is anyone who keeps the price low to blow it up later?

In 2017 we hadn't reached nodecount equilibrium. Now we have.

So instead of supply going into masternodes, it's now spewing out of them (and onto exchanges). Masternodes do not have to "buy" their rewards as miners do. So they are no longer supporting the price but instead are pummelling it.

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August 14, 2021, 11:58:12 PM

There will be huge growth soon. Pump!
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August 15, 2021, 04:33:17 AM

The biggest ever individual DASH buyer recently spent approx $20 million USD (a new world record) on DASH and turned into new Masternodes just a couple days ago.

https://www.tradingview.com/x/DjaVP0BO/

Creating the magnificent spike in MN numbers as seen on this chart

https://mnowatch.org/dash-stats/?20210814064011

and you can see it on Tokenormal's long term chart too.  It looks like some people still see value in DASH, it looks like trustless masternodes are still pretty dope.  Remember unlike DeFi, with DASH masternodes no one can steal your DASH, there are no admin keys, there are no rug pulls, you always have control of your private keys, you can and should keep them offline at all times.  DASH solves for this.  DASH is superior.
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August 15, 2021, 04:08:14 PM

The biggest ever individual DASH buyer recently spent approx $20 million USD (a new world record) on DASH and turned into new Masternodes just a couple days ago.

It is the biggest growth of DASH masternodes in the last one year.

It is only half of the plummet from 5000+ MN to around 4600 MN but it is very impressive. I don't know it is a growth from past investors who had to shut down their nodes and just upgraded theirs and come back to the network with their nodes or they are really new DASH investors

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August 20, 2021, 08:11:51 AM

dash has become a big platform also under bitcoin, apart from other platforms, dash has become big with its different system and with very high progress since this platform was launched

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August 20, 2021, 12:18:56 PM


dash has become a big platform also under bitcoin, apart from other platforms, dash has become big with its different system and with very high progress since this platform was launched

For such a "big platform" it doesn't seem to be seeing much use does it ?

There's always #pumpiscoming




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August 20, 2021, 12:32:53 PM

For such a "big platform" it doesn't seem to be seeing much use does it ?
DASH daily transactions fall from 20k to 10k. Any explanation for recent drop of total transactions?

It looks weird because total masternodes on the network rallied very strong weeks ago. Price is recovering in the last week.

Dash Transactions chart from bitinfocharts.com

I try to check with DASH, LTC, ETC, and XMR. Only DASH has big drop in total transactions.

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August 20, 2021, 11:43:38 PM


Price is recovering in the last week.

Because we're getting a tiny bit of growth from the massive capital inflows to bitcoin and crypto in general.

But nothing that does justice to Dash's unique technological innovation that allows it to absorb as much mining interest as bitcoin while supporting a service protocol at blockchain level which bitcoin cannot.

The reason for that is that the protocol has been rigged to give away more than half the supply for zero dollars rather than exposing it to competitive bidding as all our contemporary fully-mined competitors did (and have therefore ended up with better store-of-value performance and consequently more blockchain use than we have).
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August 21, 2021, 10:03:30 PM


Price is recovering in the last week.

Because we're getting a tiny bit of growth from the massive capital inflows to bitcoin and crypto in general.

Nonsense Tok, you are doing a disservice to those that read these pages.  DASH is rising in price because of internal demand to stake a trustless DASH Masternode which is seeing thousands of DASH removed from exchange orderbooks and deposited securely into working DASH Masternodes as can be seen on the chart below.
https://mnowatch.org/dash-stats/?20210821172011
DASH is now in Pokemon mode, gotta catch them all.  It is a vicious cycle of accumulating DASH and putting them into mnodes, which drives the price higher increasing the MN ROI and thus driving even more demand into the coin.  This will culminate with a feverish FOMO that will see the price sky rocket to the shock of most people that missed the move.  History repeats.
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