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[DieCommieScum]

in the same vain, all these banks have colorful logos along with their names

3 in that graphic alone are black and white, and a number more monotone... as is nike, north face, adidas, and countless others. Monochrome is clean hits hard where branding is needed. Colors are used when brick and mortar needs to stick out, or trucks, or billboards etc.

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[watuba]

in the same vain, all these banks have colorful logos along with their names

3 in that graphic alone are black and white, and a number more monotone... as is nike, north face, adidas, and countless others. Monochrome is clean hits hard where branding is needed. Colors are used when brick and mortar needs to stick out, or trucks, or billboards etc.

There seems to be a constant debate whether the coin should appear cool and rebellious, or it should appear conventionally appealing and harmless.  Most people can see it as both.  Maybe we should split the difference and choose a color scheme/logo that appears evil and good, a yin/yang, or two-sided coin.  I don't know if that would be possible or appealing, but just thinking out loud.

[TanteStefana]

in the same vain, all these banks have colorful logos along with their names

3 in that graphic alone are black and white, and a number more monotone... as is nike, north face, adidas, and countless others. Monochrome is clean hits hard where branding is needed. Colors are used when brick and mortar needs to stick out, or trucks, or billboards etc.

I can see that, but going back to the logo I'm pushing, lol, I can see being monotone with it, but in different colors depending on if it's for the coin, send or dgw





this only has one color.  Can be done in any color really.

[naxin]

in the same vain, all these banks have colorful logos along with their names

3 in that graphic alone are black and white, and a number more monotone... as is nike, north face, adidas, and countless others. Monochrome is clean hits hard where branding is needed. Colors are used when brick and mortar needs to stick out, or trucks, or billboards etc.

I pretty much agree, color can be used, but unless it is a true professional creating it, I would wager that a majority of the time a monochrome version based on the same idea will look better.

More importantly, that list of logos most likely cost the company at least $25,000, some probably north of $100,000 to do. You have to keep in mind how much A/B testing, focus groups, etc go into it for those big brands. I'm confident I could put together a list of logos that are more in the league of what we're doing here (not spending $25,000 on a logo) and overwhelmingly the more simplistic color schemes or black/white/grey would beat out the colorful ones.

[TanteStefana]

Ok then, I think this will be a good compromise.  It's bright, so it contrasts with the 'dark' theme, it's highly professional, well made and incredibly FRIENDLY!



Now don't tell me that's not the best of the bunch!

[Kienbui]

There can't be any discussion - these are all too colourful. The one that Evan really liked is definitely the slickest one. It's really sharp and aggressive and looks amazingly professional.

Too colorful? There are only 2 colors on logos showed above. Orange and gray ; blue and black. I don't think it is too colorful  

You're right it's not that bad. Of course this is the one I'm taking about.



It struck me right away as being the perfect mix of style and substance. It definitely looks like something I would use regularly to make payments. I can imagine myself saying "do you take darkcoin?" in any store in the future with a logo like that. Anyways that's my opinion of course.

This one looks cool.

[minersday]

There can't be any discussion - these are all too colourful. The one that Evan really liked is definitely the slickest one. It's really sharp and aggressive and looks amazingly professional.

Too colorful? There are only 2 colors on logos showed above. Orange and gray ; blue and black. I don't think it is too colorful  

You're right it's not that bad. Of course this is the one I'm taking about.



It struck me right away as being the perfect mix of style and substance. It definitely looks like something I would use regularly to make payments. I can imagine myself saying "do you take darkcoin?" in any store in the future with a logo like that. Anyways that's my opinion of course.

This one looks cool.

I agree clean and professional quality. And could be made to darkcoin accepted here. Logo etc.. Vero nice indeed.

[minersday]

block reward 14? Wasn't minimum supposed to be 15?
This has changed from february?

[AlexGR]

block reward 14? Wasn't minimum supposed to be 15?
This has changed from february?

Min = 5

[AlexGR]

I've been following the discussion on the x11 thread ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=556277.180 ) and there were two interesting highlights - at least interesting to me:

1. A guy estimates that it'd take a few months and a 50k cost to roll out ~300MH FPGAs for x11, with 2k per board cost: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=556277.msg6077250#msg6077250

If this happens, diff will make block reward go to 5 pretty quickly (and reducing the number of coins perhaps?)

2. Scrypt-N is already ASICable with an ASIC miner that seems to be able to handle N-factors up to 35 years ahead:

http://blissdevices.com/tech-specs/

"Scryptr also provides a high level of flexibility to support mining of newer coins that are “fairer” to miners such as Vertcoin by allowing configurable Scrypt parameters. Also, the chip’s PCIe interface enables faster and greater data transfer speeds, if and when new algorithms require more network data."

.....

http://www.reddit.com/r/scryptmining/comments/20x6r0/bliss_devices_announces_new_prices_on_scrypt/cg8xcd6

"Our chip supports configurable N parameters which allows it to mine N-factor scrypt up to N=262144, which is still about 35 years away."

Also from their faq:

Can Neon mine for Bitcoins?
No, unfortunately Scryptr is dedicated and optimized for Scrypt mining and does not have a dual-mode

Can Neon support mining for Scrypt Jane or Darkcoin?
Scryptr is designed and optimized for Scrypt mining and not a general purpose mining chip.  For Scrypt Jane, only a small subset that uses a combination of SHA256 and salsa20 mix, but in general no. Darkcoin definitely not.

[darkproton]

couldn't help it.



my fave

[goin2mars]

couldn't help it.



my fave

Nice

You should do one of those with unending unemployment lines, due to companies losing money b/c of public blockchains.

I've actually brought the discussion outside of this thread about three times in the last week.

When you're saying that your business competitors can get your business info, instead of the NSA snooping you out and putting you in jail for reasons that you don't know . . people are much more open to privacy in a blockchain.

[goin2mars]

I've been following the discussion on the x11 thread ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=556277.180 ) and there were two interesting highlights - at least interesting to me:

1. A guy estimates that it'd take a few months and a 50k cost to roll out ~300MH FPGAs for x11, with 2k per board cost: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=556277.msg6077250#msg6077250

If this happens, diff will make block reward go to 5 pretty quickly (and reducing the number of coins perhaps?)

2. Scrypt-N is already ASICable with an ASIC miner that seems to be able to handle N-factors up to 35 years ahead:

http://blissdevices.com/tech-specs/

"Scryptr also provides a high level of flexibility to support mining of newer coins that are “fairer” to miners such as Vertcoin by allowing configurable Scrypt parameters. Also, the chip’s PCIe interface enables faster and greater data transfer speeds, if and when new algorithms require more network data."

.....

http://www.reddit.com/r/scryptmining/comments/20x6r0/bliss_devices_announces_new_prices_on_scrypt/cg8xcd6

"Our chip supports configurable N parameters which allows it to mine N-factor scrypt up to N=262144, which is still about 35 years away."

Also from their faq:

Can Neon mine for Bitcoins?
No, unfortunately Scryptr is dedicated and optimized for Scrypt mining and does not have a dual-mode

Can Neon support mining for Scrypt Jane or Darkcoin?
Scryptr is designed and optimized for Scrypt mining and not a general purpose mining chip.  For Scrypt Jane, only a small subset that uses a combination of SHA256 and salsa20 mix, but in general no. Darkcoin definitely not.

Years of experience with manufacturing processes, specifically new process development, force me to double if not triple every number that that guy said . . assuming he's telling the truth.

So that's a few months x 2.5, 50k development x 2.5 (probably more, but sticking with consistency), 300M# x 2.5, 2k x 2.5 seems more reasonable to me.

If that few months x 2.5 is even close to a year then that's not nearly as bad.

Plus getting that kind of hash out of my GPU's would easily cost me above $50k in just computer parts . . so in comparison thats a far cry more reasonable than the scrypt asic field.

[naxin]

I've been following the discussion on the x11 thread ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=556277.180 ) and there were two interesting highlights - at least interesting to me:

1. A guy estimates that it'd take a few months and a 50k cost to roll out ~300MH FPGAs for x11, with 2k per board cost: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=556277.msg6077250#msg6077250

If this happens, diff will make block reward go to 5 pretty quickly (and reducing the number of coins perhaps?)

2. Scrypt-N is already ASICable with an ASIC miner that seems to be able to handle N-factors up to 35 years ahead:

http://blissdevices.com/tech-specs/

"Scryptr also provides a high level of flexibility to support mining of newer coins that are “fairer” to miners such as Vertcoin by allowing configurable Scrypt parameters. Also, the chip’s PCIe interface enables faster and greater data transfer speeds, if and when new algorithms require more network data."

.....

http://www.reddit.com/r/scryptmining/comments/20x6r0/bliss_devices_announces_new_prices_on_scrypt/cg8xcd6

"Our chip supports configurable N parameters which allows it to mine N-factor scrypt up to N=262144, which is still about 35 years away."

Also from their faq:

Can Neon mine for Bitcoins?
No, unfortunately Scryptr is dedicated and optimized for Scrypt mining and does not have a dual-mode

Can Neon support mining for Scrypt Jane or Darkcoin?
Scryptr is designed and optimized for Scrypt mining and not a general purpose mining chip.  For Scrypt Jane, only a small subset that uses a combination of SHA256 and salsa20 mix, but in general no. Darkcoin definitely not.

Years of experience with manufacturing processes, specifically new process development, force me to double if not triple every number that that guy said . . assuming he's telling the truth.

So that's a few months x 2.5, 50k development x 2.5 (probably more, but sticking with consistency), 300M# x 2.5, 2k x 2.5 seems more reasonable to me.

If that few months x 2.5 is even close to a year then that's not nearly as bad.

Plus getting that kind of hash out of my GPU's would easily cost me above $50k in just computer parts . . so in comparison thats a far cry more reasonable than the scrypt asic field.

Even more importantly though, is what was ACTUALLY said in the thread (emphasis mine):

Numbers out of thin air for FPGA route  - I'd expect 300 MH/s X11 algo board with 6 Spartan 6 LX150 chips to be developed in half of year with 50000 USD development cost, production price would be something like 2000 USD per board. (Anyone with actual field knowledge is welcome to correct me!)

So he has actually no idea if those numbers are real, and frankly, while I am no expert either, they seem quite unrealistic to me.

A 300 MH/S scrypt asic goes for ~$2,500, so there is no way an X11 could go for the same price.

Additionally, at the moment, the market cap of scrypt coins is about 250 times greater than X11 coins. Even if the $50,000 development cost number was correct, that is 3% of the current market cap! That is an insanely high risk to reward ratio for a company to take.

tl;dr: I'm not expecting an X11 asic anytime soon. Whether it is good or bad is a whole other debate.

[splawik21]

It's Friday, I'm bored at work and my boss is out sick.

Ladies...

  Looks like a professional ad. The logo is wonderful.

M.Jackson would say: "This is it!"

[nzminer]

couldn't help it.



my fave

ROTFL!!!
THAT IS AWESOME!
I think its safe to say this logo is going to be the pick!

[minersday]

There can't be any discussion - these are all too colourful. The one that Evan really liked is definitely the slickest one. It's really sharp and aggressive and looks amazingly professional.

Too colorful? There are only 2 colors on logos showed above. Orange and gray ; blue and black. I don't think it is too colorful  

You're right it's not that bad. Of course this is the one I'm taking about.



It struck me right away as being the perfect mix of style and substance. It definitely looks like something I would use regularly to make payments. I can imagine myself saying "do you take darkcoin?" in any store in the future with a logo like that. Anyways that's my opinion of course.

Would love to see how the plaid D in the logo works as its usually the logo in the Exchanges.. So would like to see it smaller, is it still clear.

[HackaB321]

I have a problem: I've just updated wallet from 0.8.9.2 to latest version.
When I run the new wallet i cannot find my previous addresses, only new ones with zero balance. If I run the 0.8.9.2 version I find my previous address (XemPUhBUCjHuaUekxPptCj2crhAGisFQva) with the right balance. Both versions use the same data directory and the same wallet.dat file. WTF???

Thanks

First backup your wallet.dat.
Remove blocks and  chainstate in data directory.
Run New Client.

Syncing problem ?

Use tip here : https://www.darkcointalk.org/threads/slow-or-not-syncing-try-this.206/

I think I've understood the issue: my wallet.dat is not saved in usual AppData/Roaming directory but in another one (in my windows system is K:\Datacoin_data).

If I run previous darkcoin wallet with the command

C:\darkcoin-qt.exe -datadir=K:\DarkCoin_data

it properly opens my wallet.dat in the K path, but if I run (with the same command) the new wallet it doesn't and it creates again the Appdata/Roaming directory. Something has changed in the -datadir command?

[zombie6]

There can't be any discussion - these are all too colourful. The one that Evan really liked is definitely the slickest one. It's really sharp and aggressive and looks amazingly professional.

Too colorful? There are only 2 colors on logos showed above. Orange and gray ; blue and black. I don't think it is too colorful  

You're right it's not that bad. Of course this is the one I'm taking about.



It struck me right away as being the perfect mix of style and substance. It definitely looks like something I would use regularly to make payments. I can imagine myself saying "do you take darkcoin?" in any store in the future with a logo like that. Anyways that's my opinion of course.

This one looks cool.

I agree clean and professional quality. And could be made to darkcoin accepted here. Logo etc.. Vero nice indeed.

Seems like the votes are in

[LimLims]

As slick as the black & white logo is, I think it sends the wrong message. It says, "we're trying to look badass". To me, it's the style of logo better suited to companies targeting a youth market, like energy drinks or extreme sports or gaming peripherals. In the context we're competing in (finance), it makes us look unprofessional/young/inexperienced, or like we're overcompensating.

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=extreme+sports+logo&espv=210&es_sm=122&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X

http://breezycreativedesign.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Mother-energy-drink-logo-design.jpg

http://cdn.dualshockers.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/razer-hd-61537.jpg


No-one can deny that these don't all look cool. But they're not suited to finance, where trust & reliability are super important.