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[conf]

After 1378 pages, people understand why DARCOIN is important?
Open your mind... and read...
I know its to much to read, but at least do some research about Darkcoin.
Thx

[techsolution]

Well, I believe Darkcoin's privacy implementation is technically superior to Litecoin's, which is zero! LOL

But I also think Darkcoin's protocol is technically superior to bitcoin's from a purely privacy perspective.

So yeah, I think Darkcoin should most definitely overtake litecoin (and eventually bitcoin if the bitcoin devs don't roll out a proper privacy implementation).

do u think bitcoin will try to be anonymous? i can tell u now it will not be, any coin with anonymous transactions goverment will ban asap, using it in stores will be illegal, black market will grow and u think any goverment will let it go?

Let them ban Darkcoin.  LOL.  I see P2P still flourishes.  People have a right to privacy and the presumption of innocence.  These are key elements to Democratic systems.

Yes, i agree, but how can u be sure only good people will use it, mostly people who has something to hide try to make it anonymous:)

Show me your bank balance, and how much you get paid by your employer.

i am employer so nobody pay me. i dont know u are honest so why should i show u my balance, my balance is always visible to my accountant nad any gov administration if i have control and i have no problem with that, why do u need to see my balance?

[techsolution]

So crypto idea is to favore shady people? If I have nothing to hide why should i use it? Darksend is made for people who has somethink to hide? All says goverment still money and now u say rich and powerfull will be happy? So u are happy they will be happy?

You like the privacy of your home, yet you are not hiding to do something illegal. Here you go.

yes, but i trust myself

[Kai Proctor]

Show me your bank balance, and how much you get paid by your employer.

i am employer so nobody pay me. i dont know u are honest so why should i show u my balance, my balance is always visible to my accountant nad any gov administration if i have control and i have no problem with that, why do u need to see my balance?

If we apply what you said we can ask you : Why ? Do you have something to hide ?

[Ozziecoin]

Show me your bank balance, and how much you get paid by your employer.

i am employer so nobody pay me. i dont know u are honest so why should i show u my balance, my balance is always visible to my accountant nad any gov administration if i have control and i have no problem with that, why do u need to see my balance?

Because he is making the point that with bitcoin, you are showing everyone your bank balance and with Darkcoin you are not.

[TsuyokuNaritai]

Before techsolution drowns us in spam again... any good responses to t3a's points?

It won't. It requires a hard fork and Bitcoin will not hard fork for DarkSend, nor jeopardize regulation issues.

It doesn't require a hardfork if the coinjoin organizers aren't paid by block reward, but instead by those they are coinjoining for. Or better yet, it would be decentralized and no one would be paid at all.

Misbehaving nodes don't get payment. So false.

The reason PoW works so well is because you can prove it. You can say "hey, here is the block header I have and here is it's hash. As you can see, it's hash is below the target, therefore I have created a block".

Coinjoin organization is a series of messages. You could (A) have a central authority see if the masternode is facilitating coinjoins and keep a log of behaving masternodes, or you could (B) just trust that the miner is right about whether the masternode was behaving at block X, or you could (C) trust your peers. Option A invokes trust in a central authority, option B allows miners to pay themselves (assuming they're operating as a masternode) every time and option C opens you up to sybil.

TL;DR PoR is an oxymoron because you can't construct a proof that you are offering a resource.

[techsolution]

Yes, i agree, but how can u be sure only good people will use it, mostly people who has something to hide try to make it anonymous:)

How a government can be absolutely sure that cash is not used for illegal purposes ?

Because they can control ur accounts, they can control what u do, where u are etc
Anyway, i see that everyone has own opinion, but most people who tried to use crypto in bad way lost a lot, darksend will get a lot people with bad ideas, and then u will see if agencies will truck (people will tell always what they did:) it, how price of drk will behave, some problems we saw in price of bitcoin after all drug dealers and money loundering

[techsolution]

Yes, i agree, but how can u be sure only good people will use it, mostly people who has something to hide try to make it anonymous:)

What are you the gestapo?  This sort of thinking is a sickness, IMHO.  I don't have anything to hide either, but that doesn't mean I want you or anyone else - especially the government - in my business.  It simply doesn't concern you (or them) and that is the only justification I need.

so u need darksend to feel safe?

[TanteStefana2]

Yep , and made a good bribes money from same shitclone coins that everybody here knows . Many users here have been ofered some coin to troll. I'm just the first to say it out loud .

That's a whole other level.

Finally, the light come on in my head (well, not really, I had to read it, LOL)  Amazing!  But it explains a lot!

[Delita Heiral]

Yes, i agree, but how can u be sure only good people will use it, mostly people who has something to hide try to make it anonymous:)

What are you the gestapo?  This sort of thinking is a sickness, IMHO.  I don't have anything to hide either, but that doesn't mean I want you or anyone else - especially the government - in my business.  It simply doesn't concern you (or them) and that is the only justification I need.

so u need darksend to feel safe?

Maybe i just dont want the whole world to know that i just bought a 16" butt plug.

[techsolution]

Show me your bank balance, and how much you get paid by your employer.

i am employer so nobody pay me. i dont know u are honest so why should i show u my balance, my balance is always visible to my accountant nad any gov administration if i have control and i have no problem with that, why do u need to see my balance?

If we apply what you said we can ask you : Why ? Do you have something to hide ?

why do u think i have somethink to hide, i have nothing to hide about money:) because (seriously) i dont care about money:)
anyway if i would like to be more anonymous i would prefer to buy gold:)

[techsolution]

Show me your bank balance, and how much you get paid by your employer.

i am employer so nobody pay me. i dont know u are honest so why should i show u my balance, my balance is always visible to my accountant nad any gov administration if i have control and i have no problem with that, why do u need to see my balance?

Because he is making the point that with bitcoin, you are showing everyone your bank balance and with Darkcoin you are not.

so what is my bitcoin balance? even i will transfer u some btc, u still see only my one wallet:)

[novaboy2k]

Think of the worst government you can. Now imagine you are in that country and you are resisting that gov.
You need anonymity to transact with other "Rebels".

Otherwise you will find your self in a re-education camp right next to your rebel friends.

If you are white, young and live in the west, then you probably don't need anonymity (Yet).
But for a Anarchist or Conservative in north Korea, trust me its a big deal to have anonymity.

I agree with what someone said about thinking anonymity is for criminals and dodgy things, it is a sickness.

Privacy is at the heart of individualism, no privacy no freedom for the ind.

[Kai Proctor]

Before techsolution drowns us in spam again... any good responses to t3a's points?

It won't. It requires a hard fork and Bitcoin will not hard fork for DarkSend, nor jeopardize regulation issues.

It doesn't require a hardfork if the coinjoin organizers aren't paid by block reward, but instead by those they are coinjoining for. Or better yet, it would be decentralized and no one would be paid at all.

Misbehaving nodes don't get payment. So false.

The reason PoW works so well is because you can prove it. You can say "hey, here is the block header I have and here is it's hash. As you can see, it's hash is below the target, therefore I have created a block".

Coinjoin organization is a series of messages. You could (A) have a central authority see if the masternode is facilitating coinjoins and keep a log of behaving masternodes, or you could (B) just trust that the miner is right about whether the masternode was behaving at block X, or you could (C) trust your peers. Option A invokes trust in a central authority, option B allows miners to pay themselves (assuming they're operating as a masternode) every time and option C opens you up to sybil.

TL;DR PoR is an oxymoron because you can't construct a proof that you are offering a resource.

In case (B), which seems the best according to t3a, if the miners are in charge of checking the behavior of the masternodes. What if there's a 51% attack ?

[hashmoon]

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[techsolution]

Think of the worst government you can. Now imagine you are in that country and you are resisting that gov.
You need anonymity to transact with other "Rebels".

Otherwise you will find your self in a re-education camp right next to your rebel friends.

If you are white, young and live in the west, then you probably don't need anonymity (Yet).
But for a Anarchist or Conservative in north Korea, trust me its a big deal to have anonymity.

I agree with what someone said about thinking anonymity is for criminals and dodgy things, it is a sickness.

Privacy is at the heart of individualism, no privacy no freedom for the ind.

ok, but drk will not be the help, we can only give examples, because in North Korea first u need to give then anonymous internet connection:)

[novaboy2k]

Think of the worst government you can. Now imagine you are in that country and you are resisting that gov.
You need anonymity to transact with other "Rebels".

Otherwise you will find your self in a re-education camp right next to your rebel friends.

If you are white, young and live in the west, then you probably don't need anonymity (Yet).
But for a Anarchist or Conservative in north Korea, trust me its a big deal to have anonymity.

I agree with what someone said about thinking anonymity is for criminals and dodgy things, it is a sickness.

Privacy is at the heart of individualism, no privacy no freedom for the ind.

ok, but drk will not be the help, we can only give examples, because in North Korea first u need to give then anonymous internet connection:)

Its just an example, prob a bad one.

[coins101]

Show me your bank balance, and how much you get paid by your employer.

i am employer so nobody pay me. i dont know u are honest so why should i show u my balance, my balance is always visible to my accountant nad any gov administration if i have control and i have no problem with that, why do u need to see my balance?

If we apply what you said we can ask you : Why ? Do you have something to hide ?

why do u think i have somethink to hide, i have nothing to hide about money:) because (seriously) i dont care about money:)
anyway if i would like to be more anonymous i would prefer to buy gold:)

If you figured out a way to send gold over the internet, write a patent. You will be very rich.

For all other private transactions over the internet there is Darkcoin.

[techsolution]

Think of the worst government you can. Now imagine you are in that country and you are resisting that gov.
You need anonymity to transact with other "Rebels".

Otherwise you will find your self in a re-education camp right next to your rebel friends.

If you are white, young and live in the west, then you probably don't need anonymity (Yet).
But for a Anarchist or Conservative in north Korea, trust me its a big deal to have anonymity.

I agree with what someone said about thinking anonymity is for criminals and dodgy things, it is a sickness.

Privacy is at the heart of individualism, no privacy no freedom for the ind.

ok, but drk will not be the help, we can only give examples, because in North Korea first u need to give then anonymous internet connection:)

Its just an example, prob a bad one.

anyway to not take it longer, if they will not truck ur drk transactions, the will truck your internet activity:)

by the way, drk has good price, i have 40 pieces of brand new items all the same model the same price, if i will sell it for the same price each, how can i recognize who paid it (sorry i dont have time to go by darksend techs) how can i see who paid and who did not pay yet? i understand it is possible?
if somebody in eu is interested i can sell in eu with free delivery, HS S2000NC HEADSET from Fujitsu for 30% of the price, 4DRK each with free eu delivery

[TanteStefana2]

So I compiled a short list of some news websites, blods, and podcasts that did articles/recordings on Darkcoin and as you can see there are A lot here and I'm not even including the non english ones, here you go:

Joshuar, may I post this on your behalf on darkcointalk.org's news section please?