[ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency

[coins101]

georgem is back with another morale booster...



Just keep on keeping on, and success will follow!

One way to trim the fat

OM NOM NOM NOM NOM!! SELL ME YOUR.... Nevermind...

Donation inbound!

I have been staring at the gif for the last 15 minutes....

you'll be needing these

[Ignition75]

Alright, sounds like the gauntlet has been thrown. Let's wait for the main man to see what he thinks.

Hi.

Whats up? What do you want to know?

 

Such humility 

[Ignition75]

georgem is back with another morale booster...



Just keep on keeping on, and success will follow!

One way to trim the fat

OM NOM NOM NOM NOM!! SELL ME YOUR.... Nevermind...

Donation inbound!

I have been staring at the gif for the last 15 minutes....

you'll be needing these

And these...

[tifozi]

Is there a lightweight implementation of this? We would like to make a version of Hive that supports it.

Excellent!  

We need an SPV version of the wallet backend to make this work. Is something like that being worked on yet?

Bump.

[crackfoo]

xpool.ca ?

xpool.ca mine other coins to pay DRK.

AT tis time they (we) mine DRK

found a block too.

Cheers!

[Ignition75]

xpool.ca ?

xpool.ca mine other coins to pay DRK.

AT tis time they (we) mine DRK

found a block too.

Cheers!

Uro?

[eltito]

I can see a major problem with people choosing different mixing depths having to wait for other people to choose that much depth as well... Better to just find one depth and make it the default. I like the OMGWTFBBQ approach...

It'd be something more along the lines of OMGWTFBBQ+EXTRASAUCE, available to everyone.  I don't have a problem with finding some way to get heavy users to subsidize the added load on the network, per se, should it become apparent that it's an issue.

As someone pointed out, that's an Evan call though.

[camosoul]

xpool.ca ?

xpool.ca mine other coins to pay DRK.

AT tis time they (we) mine DRK

found a block too.

Cheers!

Uro?

Be a dear and remove unnecessary whitespace. Our scroll wheels suffer enough from trolls, even on the ignore list... There's just so many...

[camosoul]

I can see a major problem with people choosing different mixing depths having to wait for other people to choose that much depth as well... Better to just find one depth and make it the default. I like the OMGWTFBBQ approach...

It'd be something more along the lines of OMGWTFBBQ+EXTRASAUCE, available to everyone.  I don't have a problem with finding some way to get heavy users to subsidize the added load on the network, should it become apparent that it's an issue.

As someone pointed out, that's an Evan call though.

Sure, but the more thinking out loud we do, the less he has to be distracted.

I like the EXTRASAUCE idea. 10 plop scatterduff... If I spray paint my Mossberg dark blue...  ?

What about inter-mixing? Instead of 1-> 1 -> 1 -> 1, it could recombine and then re-scatter in totally random groupings. Would help the inter-mix TXs take up less space and possibly increase perceived entropy... Fat would become negligible and this whole discussion pointless. Or maybe I'm just reading Evan's mind again...

[Ozziecoin]

As most pools are now complying, has dev team considered turning on enforcement? 

[AlexGR]

I have DRK fat stacks and I'm fine with the idea. But there is the point that it is meant to be integral. Why should I get better anon just because I can afford it? Well, duh. That answers itself. BECAUSE I CAN AFFORD IT. Same reason I'm buying a Tesla Model S and you're not. Fairness has not a damn thing to do with it.

But your point is still valid. I guess it really depends on how this fattens the blockchain. Those adding fat should pay a little more. And they should pay it to the people who have to host it and mix it, the MNs. But, the bottom line question is really not there... We know there is a disparity, but is it enough to care?

Is it enough fat to warrant charging more?

In my view, fat should always need a proportional price to pay to prevent bloat attacks. If someone wants to bloat the blockchain with zero cost or low cost, that's a problem. You need to penalize attackers who can add gigabytes of bloat for peanuts (in terms of cost).

[camosoul]

As most pools are now complying, has dev team considered turning on enforcement? 

I think you'd need about 90%+ compliance to prevent forking, and competitors could just start using old clients deliberately... We'd get some forkage.

[slapper]

Whoever drew that MN=2 mode for Darksend+, please draw MN=5 mode and draft a memo for Evan  

[camosoul]

I have DRK fat stacks and I'm fine with the idea. But there is the point that it is meant to be integral. Why should I get better anon just because I can afford it? Well, duh. That answers itself. BECAUSE I CAN AFFORD IT. Same reason I'm buying a Tesla Model S and you're not. Fairness has not a damn thing to do with it.

But your point is still valid. I guess it really depends on how this fattens the blockchain. Those adding fat should pay a little more. And they should pay it to the people who have to host it and mix it, the MNs. But, the bottom line question is really not there... We know there is a disparity, but is it enough to care?

Is it enough fat to warrant charging more?

In my view, fat should always need a proportional price to pay to prevent bloat attacks. If someone wants to bloat the blockchain with zero cost or low cost, that's a problem. You need to penalize attackers who can add gigabytes of bloat for peanuts (in terms of cost).

I agree, but the socialists want to turn the argument backwards and make it a "No fair, he gets to buy more anon!" I get to buy more ammo, too! Come and take it!

But the way logic is chasing this discussion, I think any bloat would be negligible to the point that it doesn't matter. Oh, and another cool idea... If it were 10 deep, change could be issued at different depths... What a mess! No way anyone would ever trace that shit...

[eltito]

I can see a major problem with people choosing different mixing depths having to wait for other people to choose that much depth as well... Better to just find one depth and make it the default. I like the OMGWTFBBQ approach...

It'd be something more along the lines of OMGWTFBBQ+EXTRASAUCE, available to everyone.  I don't have a problem with finding some way to get heavy users to subsidize the added load on the network, should it become apparent that it's an issue.

As someone pointed out, that's an Evan call though.

Sure, but the more thinking out loud we do, the less he has to be distracted.

I like the EXTRASAUCE idea. 10 plop scatterduff... If I spray paint my Mossberg dark blue...  ?

What about inter-mixing? Instead of 1-> 1 -> 1 -> 1, it could recombine and then re-scatter in totally random groupings. Would help the inter-mix TXs take up less space and possibly increase perceived entropy... Fat would become negligible and this whole discussion pointless. Or maybe I'm just reading Evan's mind again...

No comment on your psychic powers, but that would be a nice way of doing it.

[lesterdsa]

Can someone here do me a favor can you upload the blocks and send me the link as iam unable to download the block source

[camosoul]

Can someone here do me a favor can you upload the blocks and send me the link as iam unable to download the block source

Try a darkcoin.conf with a bunch of addnode=[knowngoodsource] to help.

It's a crutch, but it works. Really helps me since I force my client behind TOR. Not that it helps anon, but with buttloads of TOR traffic in and out of my IP, plenty gets lost in the mix...

Someone else might be able to give you a list of good nodes to add. Or you could just look cuz it's mentioned almost every 10 pages...

Code:

$ cat ~/.darkcoin/darkcoin.conf 
addnode=23.23.186.131
$

Not much in my local darkcoin.conf - But without it, I can't get a chain from behind TOR to save my life.

As a note, you won't be restricted to that node, it's just a way to tell the client to "look THERE!" I currently have 5 active connections from behind horrible TORpipe.

[camosoul]

I can see a major problem with people choosing different mixing depths having to wait for other people to choose that much depth as well... Better to just find one depth and make it the default. I like the OMGWTFBBQ approach...

It'd be something more along the lines of OMGWTFBBQ+EXTRASAUCE, available to everyone.  I don't have a problem with finding some way to get heavy users to subsidize the added load on the network, should it become apparent that it's an issue.

As someone pointed out, that's an Evan call though.

Sure, but the more thinking out loud we do, the less he has to be distracted.

I like the EXTRASAUCE idea. 10 plop scatterduff... If I spray paint my Mossberg dark blue...  ?

What about inter-mixing? Instead of 1-> 1 -> 1 -> 1, it could recombine and then re-scatter in totally random groupings. Would help the inter-mix TXs take up less space and possibly increase perceived entropy... Fat would become negligible and this whole discussion pointless. Or maybe I'm just reading Evan's mind again...

No comment on your psychic powers, but that would be a nice way of doing it.

Rolling inputs, rolling outputs, random change exits... Oh, I'm about to have a braingasm.... Rolling TXes would also be a hell of a barrier against forking, too...

[TanteStefana2]

Can someone here do me a favor can you upload the blocks and send me the link as iam unable to download the block source

Download the latest client, 9.11.6 or 10.11.6 (with darksend)  No addnodes needed.  I tried it out.  Took about 8 seconds to connect, then 15 minutes to download the blockchain from scratch (no config file, no peers, nothing)

[lesterdsa]

Can someone here do me a favor can you upload the blocks and send me the link as iam unable to download the block source

Download the latest client, 9.11.6 or 10.11.6 (with darksend)  No addnodes needed.  I tried it out.  Took about 8 seconds to connect, then 15 minutes to download the blockchain from scratch (no config file, no peers, nothing)

Iam on 9.11.6 and stuck with the problem