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[thelonecrouton]

are you the whale? haha
you dont want the sheepl to know right
darkfanboys getting angry because i tell them everything is manipulated
good old times ...

I've been telling anyone who'll listen that the markets are rigged for as long as I remember, anyone with a 3 digit IQ can see it, nobody cares.

I'm not angry, I'm building a p2p market based on a modded version of the DHT bittorrent uses, python backend with a html web GUI so it'll run on phones too, because I can't be arsed with java and whatever the hell iOS uses. Not my day job, so don't expect it next week, but the days of centralised botriddled exchanges are numbered.  

[McHammer]

wow... nice
looking forward to that

[salmion]

Of course the market is manipulated.

Whales are playing elsewhere right now.

However monday is open source. Instant transactions coming after that.

Open source means adoption. Which helps take us out of the speculative market (all crypto will always be speculative to a degree) but means people will get darkcoin to pay for things on places like open bazaar, *edit* or croutons torrentplace.

We are dipping a bit at the moment which doesn't really make sense - but the future is bright.

[McHammer]

Whales are playing elsewhere right now.

my obversations more feel like 100% presence
depth looks like everything is managed atm

[thelonecrouton]

Open source means adoption. Which helps take us out of the speculative market (all crypto will always be speculative to a degree) but means people will get darkcoin to pay for things on places like open bazaar, *edit* or croutons torrentplace.

Oh I'm going to get well and truly beaten to it, by smarter and better funded groups, but it's all good. Wonder my Mintpal sold up to whoever it was? They knew their days were numbered.

[salmion]

Whales are playing elsewhere right now.

my obversations more feel like 100% presence
depth looks like everything is managed atm

If that's the case they will play it up again at some point too
Annoying but then don't play their games.

Open source also means we'll probably have a lot more devs contributing.

Seriously exciting times.

[splawik21]

Open source also means we'll probably have a lot more devs contributing.

Seriously exciting times.

Yep very exciting just like this -->

[dazbarlby]

Jane: Bitcoin is great, easy and so secure?
Bob: Hmmmm...
Jane: What do you mean Hmmmm…
Bob: Let me ask you something… do you enjoy getting cold calls?
Jane: No! Of course I don’t, I find them a real pest.
Bob: So, is your number unlisted/ex-directory?
Jane: It sure is! I don’t want strangers knowing my number and I hate companies calling me.
Bob: I know what you mean, your phone number is private and you only want people you trust to have it.
Jane: That’s right… where are you going with this?
Bob: Like a telephone directory holding phone numbers for anybody to view and use, bitcoin keeps a ledger of every single transaction you and everybody has made and will make in the future. That ledger is known as the blockchain and can be viewed by anybody.
Jane: Wow!
Bob: The problem is those transactions can be linked and tracked in such a way that people with the right knowledge can find all your past transactions and even know how much money you have in your wallet.
Jane: I thought bitcoin was anonymous and secure!?
Bob: Unfortunately that’s a misconception many people have. Bitcoin is secure in as much as you can’t double spend but your transaction history is completely open for all to see.
Jane: OMG… There would be riots if everybody was able to view other people’s bank transactions…
Bob: I know, and can you imagine when Bitcoin is used more widely…. Companies will start tracing their customer’s transactions and merging it with other information they have to find out what they have purchased and how much is in their account. Services will pop up inviting you to track your partners’ transactions and much more. Not to mention what criminals will be able to do with such information… To me this is very scary.
Jane: It sounds scary to me too… What can I do to protect myself?
Bob: I would recommend you use an anonymous coin, such as Darkcoin
Jane: What is Darkcoin?
Bob: Darkcoin is an anonymous cryptocurrency based on Bitcoin but it has privacy at its heart and obfuscates/hides your coins in the blockchain by mixing them with other coins on the network. It does this when you’re not using your wallet so your anonymous coins are available to spend when you need them.
Jane: That sounds great but I can spend my Bitcoins everywhere and more companies and services and popping up all the time. Where can I spend my Darkcoin?
Bob: Because Darkcoin is based on Bitcoin, there would be very little effort for all those services to start accepting Darkcoin too. The problem is Darkcoin is still a young coin in comparison to Bitcoin and many people haven’t heard about it and the many advantages it has over Bitcoin.
Jane:  That’s fab… So how else does Darkcoin differ?
Bob: Did I mention instant transactions?...
To be continued…..

[georgem]

Jane: Bitcoin is great, easy and so secure?
Bob: Hmmmm...
...

Awesome dialog there... someone should make this into a cartoon...

[chaeplin]

Privacy concerns send Koreans fleeing to Russian messenger app


http://www.koreaherald.com/common_prog/newsprint.php?ud=20140925000847&dt=2

Privacy concerns send Koreans fleeing to Russian messenger app
2014-09-25 21:42

A growing number of Korean users are migrating to foreign mobile messenger services in what is seen as “cyberexile” after the country’s prosecution threatened to step up real-time monitoring of social media to crack down on libelous rumors.

The prosecution’s much-disputed clampdown on online rumors and mobile messages came last week shortly after President Park Geun-hye blasted groundless online accusations, arguing that those malicious postings would divide the public and damage social cohesion.

Park’s criticism is linked to the prosecution’s unprecedented move to investigate a Japanese journalist for allegedly writing libelous reports on the South Korean president’s whereabouts on the day the Sewol ferry sank in April.




As public outcry rose against the prosecution’s move, the prosecution claimed its monitoring would be limited to malicious commentators on major portals, not messenger services.

But Korean users remain skeptical about its official stance and expressed fear their private messages on mobile apps such as Kakao Talk would be closely monitored by authorities.

The prosecution plans to investigate and, if necessary, indict those who write malicious comments online, even if the injured parties do not file for libel.

The greatest beneficiary of the sweeping online monitoring and potential criminal investigations by authorities is a Russian-made messaging app named Telegram.

In the past week, the app has gained rapid popularity among Korean smartphone users who believe such foreign apps are relatively safe from the government’s prying eyes.

Telegram was chiefly designed to avoid the tight monitoring of Russian security authorities. Whatever is talked about on it is not stored in the company’s main servers and is strictly encrypted, which makes it difficult for outsiders to covertly monitor the content of messages.

This week, the app rose rapidly on the popularity lists of local smartphone app markets, underscoring growing public fears about state interference in cyberspace. To allow Koreans to use Telegram more conveniently, the app is preparing to offer Korean language services in the near future.

Due to the sense of security Telegram offers, many people in the Korean stock market have already begun using it, multiple sources said. Financial industry workers have apparently shunned Korean messenger programs as any suspicious trading through local messengers is subject to state censorship.

The bulletin boards for Telegram users have been filled with frustration and anger with some calling the Seoul government “Big Brother.” In particular, they claimed that with the crackdown on online libel, they felt like they were in North Korea.

“(We are) not in North Korea. Is South Korea a democratic state?” said a netizen on the Telegram online review board.

Another netizen said, “Let’s go to Telegram where the values of human rights and freedom are secured. Another pointed out, “Korean society is moving forward while Korean politics appear to be retrogressing.”

The so-called cyberexile has triggered concerns among local mobile messenger providers including KaKao Talk and Naver’s Line, as they might be the victims of the government’s move to clean up malicious comments online and mobile platforms ― a Herculean task given the fragmented nature of the Internet and the massive volume of messages churned out on various channels.

Kakao Talk officials argued that given some 6 billion messages a day are exchanged through its messenger program, it is impossible for the state to keep track of all the messages. They also stressed that without any due legal procedures including securing a search warrant, the prosecution would not be able to monitor private messages online.

By Song Sang-ho (sshluck@heraldcorp.com)

[dazbarlby]

Jane: Bitcoin is great, easy and so secure?
Bob: Hmmmm...
...

Awesome dialog there... someone should make this into a cartoon...

Cheers mate, I had a little time over lunch :-)

[georgem]

Watch Kristov Atlas's newest speech interesting speech he made back in june.
He talks about darkness and the dark market.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhVpPs-Cp_8

[splawik21]

Privacy concerns send Koreans fleeing to Russian messenger app


http://www.koreaherald.com/common_prog/newsprint.php?ud=20140925000847&dt=2

Privacy concerns send Koreans fleeing to Russian messenger app
2014-09-25 21:42
....

Good news....for darkocin....and future private messaging...

[RenegadeMan]

Jane: Bitcoin is great, easy and so secure?
Bob: Hmmmm...
Jane: What do you mean Hmmmm…
Bob: Let me ask you something… do you enjoy getting cold calls?
Jane: No! Of course I don’t, I find them a real pest.
Bob: So, is your number unlisted/ex-directory?
Jane: It sure is! I don’t want strangers knowing my number and I hate companies calling me.
Bob: I know what you mean, your phone number is private and you only want people you trust to have it.
Jane: That’s right… where are you going with this?
Bob: Like a telephone directory holding phone numbers for anybody to view and use, bitcoin keeps a ledger of every single transaction you and everybody has made and will make in the future. That ledger is known as the blockchain and can be viewed by anybody.
Jane: Wow!
Bob: The problem is those transactions can be linked and tracked in such a way that people with the right knowledge can find all your past transactions and even know how much money you have in your wallet.
Jane: I thought bitcoin was anonymous and secure!?
Bob: Unfortunately that’s a misconception many people have. Bitcoin is secure in as much as you can’t double spend but your transaction history is completely open for all to see.
Jane: OMG… There would be riots if everybody was able to view other people’s bank transactions…
Bob: I know, and can you imagine when Bitcoin is used more widely…. Companies will start tracing their customer’s transactions and merging it with other information they have to find out what they have purchased and how much is in their account. Services will pop up inviting you to track your partners’ transactions and much more. Not to mention what criminals will be able to do with such information… To me this is very scary.
Jane: It sounds scary to me too… What can I do to protect myself?
Bob: I would recommend you use an anonymous coin, such as Darkcoin
Jane: What is Darkcoin?
Bob: Darkcoin is an anonymous cryptocurrency based on Bitcoin but it has privacy at its heart and obfuscates/hides your coins in the blockchain by mixing them with other coins on the network. It does this when you’re not using your wallet so your anonymous coins are available to spend when you need them.
Jane: That sounds great but I can spend my Bitcoins everywhere and more companies and services and popping up all the time. Where can I spend my Darkcoin?
Bob: Because Darkcoin is based on Bitcoin, there would be very little effort for all those services to start accepting Darkcoin too. The problem is Darkcoin is still a young coin in comparison to Bitcoin and many people haven’t heard about it and the many advantages it has over Bitcoin.
Jane:  That’s fab… So how else does Darkcoin differ?
Bob: Did I mention instant transactions?...
To be continued…..

Nice work dazbarlby. I've had a number of conversations with people where they just had no idea Bitcoin transactions are all easily trackable and visible, so a hypothetical conversation like this is entirely likely.

[TsuyokuNaritai]

Imagine a woman goes to a website to discreetly buy a pregnancy test. The site invites her to enter her email into a payment web form for a 10% discount.

Days later, at work, she overhears that she wasn’t considered for a promotion because they found out about the pregnancy test. Apparently a list of email addresses of customers who bought it is publicly accessible on the web, and searchable on Google. Anyone who knows her phone number can search and find out about her private affairs.

She confronts the company, and they laugh at her. They say that’s just how that particular web form works - it broadcasts all emails of customers and sellers entered into it to the world. They say it wasn’t their responsibility to warn her, and that if she’d taken the time to fully research and understand how that type of web form works before using it, she’d have known that purchases made with it could only be private if she used an email address not tied to her identity.

Is that fair? Shouldn’t the company have pointed this out when they presented the web form? Especially when there are other web forms they could have used that are perfectly capable of not broadcasting her secrets to the world.
_______________________________________________________________________________ _____

It’s sometimes easy to forget that many things about crypto are frequently not well understood by the general public. It needn’t matter when buying alpaca socks, but when it's a transaction where privacy matters the facts should be made clear. It’s well known that many users don’t understand that they’re broadcasting their financial activities to the world. By assuming that customers will just automatically know this, businesses are negligently exposing customers and clients to privacy risks.

Any business selling a product or service where privacy may be important, and accepting non-private crypto as payment, has an ethical obligation to clearly explain the implications of this for their customers' privacy.
_______________________________________________________________________________ _____

Do you agree, and if so, what would be the best way of getting the message across?

We would need to handle it carefully. Here’s what we don’t want to do:

• We don’t want hurt crypto or give people another reason to bash it. Non-private crypto is perfectly fine as long the businesses show due diligence in protecting customer privacy by ensuring they are being made aware of the implications. But at the same time, it’s good and right to highlight legitimate concerns and risks that customers & businesses face when using non-private cryptos. It’s about making sure customers are rightly informed of the issues and that alternatives exist.
• We don’t want to bring the law into it, except perhaps as a counterargument to FUD about the legal status of private crypto. Yes, business that ask customers to pay in non-private crypto without explaining the implications to clients/customers when there's a reasonable expectation of privacy may be recklessly exposing themselves to legal implications in some jurisdictions. And not even bad laws either, valuable laws that protect the privacy of ordinary citizens. But business owners with intelligence will figure that out themselves, we don’t need to play that card. It should be about honest, well informed trade between free citizens. It's ironic though how private cryptos have been repeatedly beaten over the head with allegations of illegality and nefariousness by some supporters of non-private cryptos, when in truth it's the other way around.

https://darkcointalk.org/threads/businesses-accepting-non-private-cryptos-should-explain-the-implications-to-customers.2491/

[coins101]

Monday.

[thelonecrouton]

Watch Kristov Atlas's newest speech.
He talks about darkness and the dark market.

Awesome speech:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhVpPs-Cp_8

I'm starting to like this Kristov Atlas guy. Pity he failed to mention Darkcoin in any of that though, despite Darkcoin completely solving the Bitcoin problems he was mentioning. Centralised-browser-plugin-vapourware Dark Wallet got airtime instead... 

Maybe he's afraid that openly acknowledging DRK's superiority will get him cast out of the BTC zealots club?

[camosoul]

BTC zealots club?

This.

In fairness, most BTC zealots  are such because the altcoin market is nothing but scams. They all claim to be the exception...

[georgem]

Watch Kristov Atlas's newest speech.
He talks about darkness and the dark market.

Awesome speech:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhVpPs-Cp_8

I'm starting to like this Kristov Atlas guy. Pity he failed to mention Darkcoin in any of that though, despite Darkcoin completely solving the Bitcoin problems he was mentioning. Centralised-browser-plugin-vapourware Dark Wallet got airtime instead... 

Maybe he's afraid that openly acknowledging DRK's superiority will get him cast out of the BTC zealots club?

You can't blame him for not exploiting every opportunity he gets to promote darkcoin, I think he has a more general philosophical agenda.

It's positive enough for darkcoin that Kristov Atlas challenges the negativity associated with words like "dark" and "darkness". I like that.

[g4q34g4qg47ww]

Watch Kristov Atlas's newest speech.
He talks about darkness and the dark market.

Awesome speech:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhVpPs-Cp_8

I'm starting to like this Kristov Atlas guy. Pity he failed to mention Darkcoin in any of that though, despite Darkcoin completely solving the Bitcoin problems he was mentioning. Centralised-browser-plugin-vapourware Dark Wallet got airtime instead... 

Maybe he's afraid that openly acknowledging DRK's superiority will get him cast out of the BTC zealots club?

This speech was back in June.