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My personal opinion is that socialism is bad because it messes up people's incentives and leads to less wealth overall.
not true. socialism takes of all the stuff you don't want to do(but other people might want), and there by giving you the opportunity to do what you like. in a capitalistic/liberal/anarchistic/whatever society i would not be able to study math, because i would not have the money to do so. in little socialistic Denmark, i am studying math, and im even paid to do so by the government. was does the capitalistic society get: lazy depressed people. and denmark gets: enthusiastic and highly educated people. now tell me which society gets "less wealth overall"? This is BS. Really do you think a lot of people love to clean dirty restrooms? Do you know how they solved this problem in Soviet Union? Oh you don't want to work, now either clean the shit or go to a gulag and work until death. It was a crime to be unemployed. |
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April 09, 2013, 02:56:10 PM |
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Because they don't like clueless authoritarian shithead bureaucrats telling them to what to think
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April 09, 2013, 03:10:48 PM |
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in a capitalistic/liberal/anarchistic/whatever society i would not be able to study math, because i would not have the money to do so.
https://www.khanacademy.org/ |
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April 09, 2013, 05:19:19 PM |
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in a capitalistic/liberal/anarchistic/whatever society i would not be able to study math, because i would not have the money to do so.
https://www.khanacademy.org/their lectures are only on first year university level... but some of it is useful. |
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April 09, 2013, 05:25:34 PM |
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Because they don't like clueless authoritarian shithead bureaucrats telling them to what to think
such as Ben Shalom Bernanke, the jew |
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April 09, 2013, 05:34:42 PM |
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This is BS. Really do you think a lot of people love to clean dirty restrooms? Do you know how they solved this problem in Soviet Union? Oh you don't want to work, now either clean the shit or go to a gulag and work until death. It was a crime to be unemployed.
I can't see that it is not a crime to be unemployed in a capitalistic society. I'd rather work in a gulag than starve to death while being spit on by the employed. |
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April 09, 2013, 05:36:32 PM |
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in a capitalistic/liberal/anarchistic/whatever society i would not be able to study math, because i would not have the money to do so.
https://www.khanacademy.org/their lectures are only on first year university level... but some of it is useful. But clearly you can study mathematics, all the way up to first year University level, for free. So to say that you would be unable to study at all is a bit disingenuous, is it not? This is BS. Really do you think a lot of people love to clean dirty restrooms? Do you know how they solved this problem in Soviet Union? Oh you don't want to work, now either clean the shit or go to a gulag and work until death. It was a crime to be unemployed.
I can't see that it is not a crime to be unemployed in a capitalistic society. I'd rather work in a gulag than starve to death while being spit on by the employed. Do you have no friends? No relatives? No support structure whatsoever? If so, I feel for you. |
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April 09, 2013, 05:40:45 PM |
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I don't understand, maybe I'm just too young with whole cold-war mentality born just around collapse. Sure communism didn't work out very well.
But, I do prefer some socialism to pure capitalism. So I don't realy get this whole fear of it in USA, it can't be all bad or is it? Can someone explain it to me?
It's not a fear - it's a reality. If people get less benefit from working, they will be less likely to work. Less work means a less productive country and more freeloaders. Just look at google. If I start typing in the words "If I quit", the words that follow for the top 3 of 5 auto-entries are along the lines of "will I get unemployment". People are already trying to game the system by not working, but still collecting a paycheck through unemployment. In an ideal world (in my mind), people would reap what they sow. If they don't work, they don't get squat. If they work hard, and work to ensure they have more than basic labor skills, then they will have plenty to provide for themselves and their family, without having to leech off other people. If people had heart (which I know some do, myself included), then they would feel inclined to help those who are down on luck and deserve a helping hand, but it should be completely OPTIONAL and VOLUNTARY. I shouldn't be forced to give my tax dollars to a drug addict who doesn't even have to take a drug test to collect unemployment. Wow, I think this is the first time I completely agree with the sarge. |
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April 09, 2013, 05:45:24 PM |
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I can't see that it is not a crime to be unemployed in a capitalistic society. I'd rather work in a gulag than starve to death while being spit on by the employed.
Do you have no friends? No relatives? No support structure whatsoever? If so, I feel for you. I have friends, relatives and enough money to fill a pool with cash. I just don't like the fact that if you are assumed 'not good enough' in a capitalistic society and have problems getting a job, you can get screwed very fast. But then again, socialism has its drawbacks too. |
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April 09, 2013, 05:53:56 PM |
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I can't see that it is not a crime to be unemployed in a capitalistic society. I'd rather work in a gulag than starve to death while being spit on by the employed.
Do you have no friends? No relatives? No support structure whatsoever? If so, I feel for you. I have friends, relatives and enough money to fill a pool with cash. I just don't like the fact that if you are assumed 'not good enough' in a capitalistic society and have problems getting a job, you can get screwed very fast. But then again, socialism has its drawbacks too. Like being screwed very fast if you're "too good," and forced to support those who aren't. Keep in mind that Capitalism allows for entrepreneurship, and one can, if unable to find work for someone else, always go into business for one's self. There are some fields which are very low cost, even free, to enter. Of course, State regulations do tend to increase the cost (and/or risk) of entering even those fields, which is why I'm anti-State. |
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April 09, 2013, 05:58:32 PM |
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fuck one can stupidass
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April 09, 2013, 05:58:45 PM |
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I can't see that it is not a crime to be unemployed in a capitalistic society. I'd rather work in a gulag than starve to death while being spit on by the employed.
Do you have no friends? No relatives? No support structure whatsoever? If so, I feel for you. I have friends, relatives and enough money to fill a pool with cash. I just don't like the fact that if you are assumed 'not good enough' in a capitalistic society and have problems getting a job, you can get screwed very fast. But then again, socialism has its drawbacks too. Like being screwed very fast if you're "too good," and forced to support those who aren't. Keep in mind that Capitalism allows for entrepreneurship, and one can, if unable to find work for someone else, always go into business for one's self. There are some fields which are very low cost, even free, to enter. Of course, State regulations do tend to increase the cost (and/or risk) of entering even those fields, which is why I'm anti-State. You are right. There's freedom. Freedom to do think and like whatever you want. I love that freedom. But I've seen many sides of the medal, and I think there are things socialism can offer which capitalism can't. Anti-State is a big word, I'd rather see a State with the power of socialism harnessed by some open-source democracy. |
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April 09, 2013, 06:02:29 PM |
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look at fucking Thatcher, she talked the same bs and screwed over her country in the process.
yet these idiots keep talking her way.
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April 09, 2013, 06:03:54 PM |
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I can't see that it is not a crime to be unemployed in a capitalistic society. I'd rather work in a gulag than starve to death while being spit on by the employed.
Do you have no friends? No relatives? No support structure whatsoever? If so, I feel for you. I have friends, relatives and enough money to fill a pool with cash. I just don't like the fact that if you are assumed 'not good enough' in a capitalistic society and have problems getting a job, you can get screwed very fast. But then again, socialism has its drawbacks too. Like being screwed very fast if you're "too good," and forced to support those who aren't. Keep in mind that Capitalism allows for entrepreneurship, and one can, if unable to find work for someone else, always go into business for one's self. There are some fields which are very low cost, even free, to enter. Of course, State regulations do tend to increase the cost (and/or risk) of entering even those fields, which is why I'm anti-State. You are right. There's freedom. Freedom to do think and like whatever you want. I love that freedom. But I've seen many sides of the medal, and I think there are things socialism can offer which capitalism can't. Anti-State is a big word, I'd rather see a State with the power of socialism harnessed by some open-source democracy. No thanks, I've seen the prosperity capitalism produces, and the widespread poverty socialism and voting yourself money produces, and I'll take capitalism. |
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April 09, 2013, 06:04:40 PM |
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fuck one can stupidass
what? pull the dick out of your mouth before you speak so we can attempt to understand you. |
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myrkul
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April 09, 2013, 06:09:20 PM |
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fuck one can stupidass
what? pull the dick out of your mouth before you speak so we can attempt to understand you. I think he's suggesting fucking a can. I don't recommend it, most have sharp edges. |
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April 09, 2013, 06:10:15 PM |
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fuck one can stupidass
what? pull the dick out of your mouth before you speak so we can attempt to understand you. I guess he is a bit confused since Thatcher's death.. |
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April 09, 2013, 06:18:48 PM
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I think socialists should probably stay away from bitcoin if that is the case, namely due to how difficult it is to tax. Especially if people begin trading bitcoin over the tor network.
By investing in or even mining bitcoins, socialists would be contributing to the decline of socialism. You'd basically see a return to the early days of the US where they relied upon the taxes of sales of certain goods. Services would be unable to be taxed effectively, and income for large corporate entities would be hard to tax (which would be a good thing IMO as corporations as it is don't really pay any taxes - they just push the expense on to the customer.)
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