Why do people in USA fear socialism so much?

[myrkul]

Mathematicians are often "inventing" stuff that are useless, just for the lulz, and then the stuff gets useful.

tell me what use there is for algebraic topology, other then the lulz.

Good one, focusing on a tiny, easily backed up part of your statement, and ignoring the rest of what both of us said.

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[kokjo]

Mathematicians are often "inventing" stuff that are useless, just for the lulz, and then the stuff gets useful.

tell me what use there is for algebraic topology, other then the lulz.

Good one, focusing on a tiny, easily backed up part of your statement, and ignoring the rest of what both of us said.

yeah man, fuck the rest! should properly stop now, before my drunk brain embarres me anymore.

I'll be back!

[myrkul]

yeah man, fuck the rest! should properly stop now, before my drunk brain embarres me anymore.

I'll be back!

Probably a good idea. In the meantime, think how you might get a stoner to produce for the community instead of sitting on his ass all day smoking and eating.
Here's a hint.

[nebulus]

Some stuff has to be taken away to have a society at all though. The bare minimum. This would mean enough of a basic income so everyone can have food, shelter, clothes, education and healthcare. This is the minimum any human should be able to expect from any society. Even prisoners have that so to say we shouldn't give people that is inhumane.

Beyond that, no one is entitled to a good job or a good life, just the opportunity to pursue it as the Constitution says. So some level of socialism is necessary just so people have the opportunity to pursue happiness or to better their lives. Education for example, if you cannot educate yourself or pursue knowledge then you're basically static and can never advance in anything. You can be against socialism, but on some level you have to also be against ignorance, because to be for ignorance but against socialism is not only bad for your self interest but bad for the economy as well. So education is necessary and while it does not have to be public run, it must be public funded and funded nationally.

For some reason, you are assuming that in order to obtain education you have to be pro-socialistic. I am not sure why you think that way... All the education, that really matters I obtained on my own, mind you I paid BIG bucks for it. The socialistic piece of this is just getting a diploma regardless of what the heck it is worth. So you can brag to your "brethen" that you actually know something by showing them a paper. Of course, I am against this. How many public school students actually know anything worthwhile?

American socialism is this... You are in the middle-upper to upper class - you bust your ass and then you pay extra taxes to take care of the rest "who does not work". Yes, a chunk of that money goes to army/road building but a lot of it does not. Now, I do not have a problem with charity but I like to do it by my own consent not by decision of some politicians who cut my check arbitrarily from my standpoint.

[kokjo]

yeah man, fuck the rest! should properly stop now, before my drunk brain embarres me anymore.

I'll be back!

Probably a good idea. In the meantime, think how you might get a stoner to produce for the community instead of sitting on his ass all day smoking and eating.
Here's a hint.

They can be Philosophers, and create some new philosophic views called dankism.

[myrkul]

yeah man, fuck the rest! should properly stop now, before my drunk brain embarres me anymore.

I'll be back!

Probably a good idea. In the meantime, think how you might get a stoner to produce for the community instead of sitting on his ass all day smoking and eating.
Here's a hint.

They can be Philosophers, and create some new philosophic views called dankism.

Good idea! Then they can encourage MORE people to become navel-gazing eaters.

[Mike Christ]

For some reason, you are assuming that in order to obtain education you have to be pro-socialistic. I am not sure why you think that way... All the education, that really matters I obtained on my own, mind you I paid BIG bucks for it. The socialistic piece of this is just getting a diploma regardless of what the heck it is worth. Of course, I am against this. How many public school students actually know anything worthwhile?

American socialism is this... You are in the middle-upper to upper class - you bust your ass and then you pay extra taxes to take care of the rest "who does not work". Yes, a chunk of that money goes to army/road building but a lot of it does not. Now, I do not have a problem with charity but I like to do it by my own consent not by decision of some politicians who cut my check arbitrarily from my standpoint.

To add to that, most taxes actually are going to military (a 500+ billion dollar army doesn't come from nowhere), a huge chunk of it goes to social security and welfare, a lot more goes to paying national interest on its debts (lol.)  And then there's the wages of every government employee.  I know I didn't sign up to have all my cash siphoned into the war; so why be for or against warfare?  The gov's got a mind of its own, anyway.  Statism has shown for thousands of years what good it does.  It's just a matter of when, for the individual, they realize the source of all the world's problems; it's because a tiny portion of people rule the world, and they're always competing for complete control.

[Ekaros]

For some reason, you are assuming that in order to obtain education you have to be pro-socialistic. I am not sure why you think that way... All the education, that really matters I obtained on my own, mind you I paid BIG bucks for it. The socialistic piece of this is just getting a diploma regardless of what the heck it is worth. Of course, I am against this. How many public school students actually know anything worthwhile?

American socialism is this... You are in the middle-upper to upper class - you bust your ass and then you pay extra taxes to take care of the rest "who does not work". Yes, a chunk of that money goes to army/road building but a lot of it does not. Now, I do not have a problem with charity but I like to do it by my own consent not by decision of some politicians who cut my check arbitrarily from my standpoint.

To add to that, most taxes actually are going to military (a 500+ billion dollar army doesn't come from nowhere), a huge chunk of it goes to social security and welfare, a lot more goes to paying national interest on its debts (lol.)  And then there's the wages of every government employee.  I know I didn't sign up to have all my cash siphoned into the war; so why be for or against warfare?  The gov's got a mind of its own, anyway.  Statism has shown for thousands of years what good it does.  It's just a matter of when, for the individual, they realize the source of all the world's problems; it's because a tiny portion of people rule the world, and they're always competing for complete control.

For a reason I still don't get why the hell goverment pays interest for debt... When it's loaned by FED for free... Must be some very special kind of socialism...

[myrkul]

For some reason, you are assuming that in order to obtain education you have to be pro-socialistic. I am not sure why you think that way... All the education, that really matters I obtained on my own, mind you I paid BIG bucks for it. The socialistic piece of this is just getting a diploma regardless of what the heck it is worth. Of course, I am against this. How many public school students actually know anything worthwhile?

American socialism is this... You are in the middle-upper to upper class - you bust your ass and then you pay extra taxes to take care of the rest "who does not work". Yes, a chunk of that money goes to army/road building but a lot of it does not. Now, I do not have a problem with charity but I like to do it by my own consent not by decision of some politicians who cut my check arbitrarily from my standpoint.

To add to that, most taxes actually are going to military (a 500+ billion dollar army doesn't come from nowhere), a huge chunk of it goes to social security and welfare, a lot more goes to paying national interest on its debts (lol.)  And then there's the wages of every government employee.  I know I didn't sign up to have all my cash siphoned into the war; so why be for or against warfare?  The gov's got a mind of its own, anyway.  Statism has shown for thousands of years what good it does.  It's just a matter of when, for the individual, they realize the source of all the world's problems; it's because a tiny portion of people rule the world, and they're always competing for complete control.

For a reason I still don't get why the hell goverment pays interest for debt... When it's loaned by FED for free... Must be some very special kind of socialism...

It's not loaned for free. That's the point. The FED is no more a government body than is FedEx.

[creativex]

For some reason, you are assuming that in order to obtain education you have to be pro-socialistic. I am not sure why you think that way... All the education, that really matters I obtained on my own, mind you I paid BIG bucks for it. The socialistic piece of this is just getting a diploma regardless of what the heck it is worth. Of course, I am against this. How many public school students actually know anything worthwhile?

American socialism is this... You are in the middle-upper to upper class - you bust your ass and then you pay extra taxes to take care of the rest "who does not work". Yes, a chunk of that money goes to army/road building but a lot of it does not. Now, I do not have a problem with charity but I like to do it by my own consent not by decision of some politicians who cut my check arbitrarily from my standpoint.

To add to that, most taxes actually are going to military (a 500+ billion dollar army doesn't come from nowhere), a huge chunk of it goes to social security and welfare, a lot more goes to paying national interest on its debts (lol.)  And then there's the wages of every government employee.  I know I didn't sign up to have all my cash siphoned into the war; so why be for or against warfare?  The gov's got a mind of its own, anyway.  Statism has shown for thousands of years what good it does.  It's just a matter of when, for the individual, they realize the source of all the world's problems; it's because a tiny portion of people rule the world, and they're always competing for complete control.

For a reason I still don't get why the hell goverment pays interest for debt... When it's loaned by FED for free... Must be some very special kind of socialism...

Correct. This special kind of socialism is called Fascism. Masquerading as socialists promotes debates such as this one.

Na·zi  (näts, nt-)
n. pl. Na·zis

1. A member of the National Socialist German Workers' Party, founded in Germany in 1919 and brought to power in 1933 under Adolf Hitler.
2. often nazi An adherent or advocate of policies characteristic of Nazism; a fascist.
adj.
Of, relating to, controlled by, or typical of the National Socialist German Workers' Party.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Nazi

The concept that Socialism is the extreme left and Fascism is the extreme right on the political spectrum is ridiculous. They're both forms of collectivism.

[myrkul]

simple: because of their brainwashing.

It is a rather stupid thing to fear, isn't it? Pity, I think, would be a more appropriate emotion.

[vampire]

The concept that Socialism is the extreme left and Fascism is the extreme right on the political spectrum is ridiculous. They're both forms of collectivism.

Well what make fascism right is racism.

Communism/Socialism (much less) is basically statism.
Fascism is like statism with extreme racism.

[Mike Christ]

The concept that Socialism is the extreme left and Fascism is the extreme right on the political spectrum is ridiculous. They're both forms of collectivism.

Well what make fascism right is racism.

Communism/Socialism (much less) is basically statism.
Fascism is like statism with extreme racism.

So you have benevolent statism and then you ahve the total state

[myrkul]

I hear - though - that even capitalists do want to do without the state. It's supposed to do the state-sponsored-killing, central banking and such.

You seem to be somewhat misinformed about capitalism.

I'd give you a wiki link, but I don't want to get you fired.

Bet you could look it up at home, though. Just use Tor, so they can't track your useage.

[Mike Christ]

what would Obama do without the state? shine shoes?

That'd be a little more useful than what he's doing now.

[Premium]

Plain and simple anwser, it is against the very reason the united states of America was founded in the first place.

[myrkul]

Too much state and stateists in Wash.DC

Or Tehran, for that matter.

[Mike Christ]

What about this: if the state collapsed, would we still call it the United States of America?  Would it then simply be United America, or just America?

[myrkul]

Jewnited Americunts 

Sigh. You were doing so well.

[Mike Christ]

Lol if you're not mai77/antibanker, you're of his blood