[Guide] Dogie's Comprehensive Manufacturer Trustworthiness Guide [1st Feb 2016]

[CanaryInTheMine]

"But Dogie's Comprehensive Manufacturer Trustworthiness Guide" says that you're taking pre-orders. What's going on ?" - Try to explain your convoluted BS to a newcomer.

Happy to.

I have compromise: Give us prefect score on not taking pre-orders, give us penalty on "unspecified under NDA dispute with Dogie"

First part: No
Second part: Maybe later
Overall: You can bitch and moan all you like but as companies time and time again have found out - I don't get strong-armed and I don't get paid off. You also seem to think that 92/100 is so damaging compared to 100/100 that its going to prevent sales/investment, yet your actions in here are probably doing 100x that. No one sees a CEO throwing a hissy fit on a forum and thinks "that's a company I want to give my money to".

You're full of it!  You did get compensated by Bitmain but even there you caused nothing but problems for them.
People are tired of your bullshit.

[hdbuck]

"But Dogie's Comprehensive Manufacturer Trustworthiness Guide" says that you're taking pre-orders. What's going on ?" - Try to explain your convoluted BS to a newcomer.

Happy to.

I have compromise: Give us prefect score on not taking pre-orders, give us penalty on "unspecified under NDA dispute with Dogie"

First part: No
Second part: Maybe later
Overall: You can bitch and moan all you like but as companies time and time again have found out - I don't get strong-armed and I don't get paid off. You also seem to think that 92/100 is so damaging compared to 100/100 that its going to prevent sales/investment, yet your actions in here are probably doing 100x that. No one sees a CEO throwing a hissy fit on a forum and thinks "that's a company I want to give my money to".

You're full of it!  You did get compensated by Bitmain but even there you caused nothing but problems for them.
People are tired of your bullshit.

Sad part is that people who take Dogies ratings with a grain of salt are only veterans on the forums and know what is going on, the noobs are the ones buying gear based off it.

what? people still buy mining hardware??

[hdbuck]

"But Dogie's Comprehensive Manufacturer Trustworthiness Guide" says that you're taking pre-orders. What's going on ?" - Try to explain your convoluted BS to a newcomer.

Happy to.

I have compromise: Give us prefect score on not taking pre-orders, give us penalty on "unspecified under NDA dispute with Dogie"

First part: No
Second part: Maybe later
Overall: You can bitch and moan all you like but as companies time and time again have found out - I don't get strong-armed and I don't get paid off. You also seem to think that 92/100 is so damaging compared to 100/100 that its going to prevent sales/investment, yet your actions in here are probably doing 100x that. No one sees a CEO throwing a hissy fit on a forum and thinks "that's a company I want to give my money to".

You're full of it!  You did get compensated by Bitmain but even there you caused nothing but problems for them.
People are tired of your bullshit.

Sad part is that people who take Dogies ratings with a grain of salt are only veterans on the forums and know what is going on, the noobs are the ones buying gear based off it.

what? people still buy mining hardware??

Yup, sometimes it's more about risk and entertainment then pure profits (I enjoy mining and tweaking).

i mine a bit too, but i mean, i dont buy anymore HW.
and if spondoo relies on dogie's ratings for selling their miners, business would seems to be quite dreadful..

[dogie]

Sad part is that people who take Dogies ratings with a grain of salt are only veterans on the forums and know what is going on, the noobs are the ones buying gear based off it.

Which rating do you not agree with?

You're full of it!  You did get compensated by Bitmain but even there you caused nothing but problems for them.
People are tired of your bullshit.

Yes? I openly posted that I was proving tech support for them on the forums. And since that started, they had the lowest rating they'd ever (?) had for months and months.

[dogie]

The criteria did not change, nor the way that I enforce it. In December I added more descriptive text to all the criterion so I didn't have to keep repeating myself throughout the thread - the descriptions act as an FAQ. For example I was asked what was company size about 20 times which you can search for in this thread.

Why not post the differences of the text for everyone to see it? Show us what was written pre-December so we can compare to the present text. Will you do it or will you chicken out?

I'm not on trial here, nor do I have to prove my 'innocence'. Even so, I checked and the oldest version dropbox archived is 9th Jan 2015. There is an internet archive version here from October which shows the only description was:

Preorders?
Preorders are a recipe for disaster and puts all the risk on the buyer.

As I said, I added more descriptive text.

[Guy Corem]

The criteria did not change, nor the way that I enforce it. In December I added more descriptive text to all the criterion so I didn't have to keep repeating myself throughout the thread - the descriptions act as an FAQ. For example I was asked what was company size about 20 times which you can search for in this thread.

Why not post the differences of the text for everyone to see it? Show us what was written pre-December so we can compare to the present text. Will you do it or will you chicken out?

I'm not on trial here, nor do I have to prove my 'innocence'. Even so, I checked and the oldest version dropbox archived is 9th Jan 2015. There is an internet archive version here from October which shows the only description was:

Preorders?
Preorders are a recipe for disaster and puts all the risk on the buyer.

As I said, I added more descriptive text.

Continue avoidance and BS-ing. Lier.

[Guy Corem]

...
and if spondoo relies on dogie's ratings for selling their miners, business would seems to be quite dreadful..

Certainly not. Still, it's a lie and I can't let it go without setting the record straight.

[Guy Corem]

The criteria did not change, nor the way that I enforce it. In December I added more descriptive text to all the criterion so I didn't have to keep repeating myself throughout the thread - the descriptions act as an FAQ. For example I was asked what was company size about 20 times which you can search for in this thread.

Why not post the differences of the text for everyone to see it? Show us what was written pre-December so we can compare to the present text. Will you do it or will you chicken out?

I'm not on trial here, nor do I have to prove my 'innocence'. Even so, I checked and the oldest version dropbox archived is 9th Jan 2015. There is an internet archive version here from October which shows the only description was:

Preorders?
Preorders are a recipe for disaster and puts all the risk on the buyer.

As I said, I added more descriptive text.

Yes, your unethical behaviour is on trial here.

Until December, your description for preorders was:
Preorders are a recipe for disaster and puts all the risk on the buyer.
Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20141022200447/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=456691

When it was time to remove our pre-orders ranking (we stop doing pre-orders in November), the description was changed:
Preorders are extremely bad for the industry and put all the financial risk on the buyer. This criterion does not act as a snapshot, but a longer term (both past and future) "does
this company engage in preorders". A company who's business model relies on preorders to fund development and new generations is still considered to utilise preorders even if
they intermediately sell some products from stock. Transitional scores may be used when companies have promised the exclusion of preorders but have yet to prove their business
model can operate without them.
Source: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=456691.msg5035158#msg5035158

I told, endless times, that we won't take pre-orders on our 3rd gen due to the design risk.
It falls on deaf dogs ears.
 
In addition:

- You opposed the SP20 legendaries reviews we did for some reason, very loud
- You asked a moderator to move a thread called "Spondoolies Spam" from trash to meta, after we launched the SP20 legendaries reviews
- You've unjustifiably reported some of my posts in some of the legendaries reviews threads
- You reported Philip's poll questions threads and tried to kill the hardware manufacturer's poll

All of that, I believe, is because of our unrelated dispute.

Guy

[dogie]

All of that, I believe, is because of our unrelated dispute.

Then you probably believe in ghosts as well. You're free to start a scam accusation thread but its becoming off topic here.

[Guy Corem]

All of that, I believe, is because of our unrelated dispute.

Then you probably believe in ghosts as well. You're free to start a scam accusation thread but its becoming off topic here.

Revealing the reasons behind our score is not off topic. Anyway, I've posted enough for this round of lies. I guess we'll meet again in April.

[Chris_Sabian]

"But Dogie's Comprehensive Manufacturer Trustworthiness Guide" says that you're taking pre-orders. What's going on ?" - Try to explain your convoluted BS to a newcomer.

Happy to.

I have compromise: Give us prefect score on not taking pre-orders, give us penalty on "unspecified under NDA dispute with Dogie"

First part: No
Second part: Maybe later
Overall: You can bitch and moan all you like but as companies time and time again have found out - I don't get strong-armed and I don't get paid off. You also seem to think that 92/100 is so damaging compared to 100/100 that its going to prevent sales/investment, yet your actions in here are probably doing 100x that. No one sees a CEO throwing a hissy fit on a forum and thinks "that's a company I want to give my money to".

You're full of it!  You did get compensated by Bitmain but even there you caused nothing but problems for them.
People are tired of your bullshit.

Sad part is that people who take Dogies ratings with a grain of salt are only veterans on the forums and know what is going on, the noobs are the ones buying gear based off it.

what? people still buy mining hardware??

Yes, a little.  I'm using some S3 are heat in the winter since I've gotta heat my house anyway...

And the prisma provided a nice fire for more warmth as well...

[CanaryInTheMine]

All of that, I believe, is because of our unrelated dispute.

Then you probably believe in ghosts as well. You're free to start a scam accusation thread but its becoming off topic here.

this isn't about a "scam" its about your lies, per Guy. stick to the topic Guy is hammering you on. 

Also, appeal to mockery/ridicule is preposterous: claiming "believe in ghost" is a pathetic attempt on your part, appeal to ridicule is irrelevant to the issue Guy is raising.  address the lie issue Guy has brought up and then you can talk about all the ghost stories you wish.
man up already and suck it up.  you will gain respect here by admitting mistakes and fixing them, ignoring them and continuing your style continues to negatively reflect on you.

[Guy Corem]

If someone is interested, here are our posts exchange after Dogie changed the pre-order criteria in December listing of his guide:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=456691.msg9875277#msg9875277
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=456691.msg9877118#msg9877118
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=456691.msg9877499#msg9877499
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=456691.msg9877629#msg9877629
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=456691.msg9877670#msg9877670
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=456691.msg9883514#msg9883514

[dogie]

All of that, I believe, is because of our unrelated dispute.

Then you probably believe in ghosts as well. You're free to start a scam accusation thread but its becoming off topic here.

this isn't about a "scam" its about your lies, per Guy. stick to the topic Guy is hammering you on.  

Also, appeal to mockery/ridicule is preposterous: claiming "believe in ghost" is a pathetic attempt on your part, appeal to ridicule is irrelevant to the issue Guy is raising.  address the lie issue Guy has brought up and then you can talk about all the ghost stories you wish.
man up already and suck it up.  you will gain respect here by admitting mistakes and fixing them, ignoring them and continuing your style continues to negatively reflect on you.

There is nothing to 'admit' to. He's suggesting that because he ..... [the issue HE is hiding behind an NDA on, not me]... that he believes:

1) I opposed spamming threads as marketing, which I did, and still do. For all companies.
2) Asked an incorrectly moved thread discussing said topic to meta so we could have an adult discussion about the above issue, which I did and would do again? If it was not appropriate then the thread would have died immediately, instead it grew to 7 pages and spawned important discussion between the mods.
3) Reported his posts, which is both untrue and irrelevant. As much as he wants to believe his 1 word posts were deleted as part of some conspiracy, I am not a moderator.
4) Reported someone posting 5 threads in a manner that should have just been one thread? Yes, and would do it again because I was not the only person to report them. And I reported one post asking for a mod to see what he though. The mod decided that it was inappropriate and there were multiple ways in which it should have been done in one thread.

My reply in regards to he 'also believes in ghosts' is in response to that he believes the above are all in some huge conspiracy against him and his company [including the mods], when it was and still is one of the highest scoring companies of all time, and is poised to be the first company ever to get a perfect score if he follows through on his word. He's still not revealed the reason why exactly he wants that to happen prematurely though, also hiding behind an NDA on that one.

Anything else?

[Guy Corem]

All of that, I believe, is because of our unrelated dispute.

Then you probably believe in ghosts as well. You're free to start a scam accusation thread but its becoming off topic here.

this isn't about a "scam" its about your lies, per Guy. stick to the topic Guy is hammering you on.  

Also, appeal to mockery/ridicule is preposterous: claiming "believe in ghost" is a pathetic attempt on your part, appeal to ridicule is irrelevant to the issue Guy is raising.  address the lie issue Guy has brought up and then you can talk about all the ghost stories you wish.
man up already and suck it up.  you will gain respect here by admitting mistakes and fixing them, ignoring them and continuing your style continues to negatively reflect on you.

There is nothing to 'admit' to. He's suggesting that because he ..... [the issue HE is hiding behind an NDA on, not me]... that he believes:

1) I opposed spamming threads as marketing, which I did, and still do. For all companies.
2) Asked an incorrectly moved thread discussing said topic to meta so we could have an adult discussion about the above issue, which I did and would do again? If it was not appropriate then the thread would have died immediately, instead it grew to 7 pages and spawned important discussion between the mods.
3) Reported his posts, which is both untrue and irrelevant. As much as he wants to believe his 1 word posts were deleted as part of some conspiracy, I am not a moderator.
4) Reported someone posting 5 threads in a manner that should have just been one thread? Yes, and would do it again because I was not the only person to report them. And I reported one post asking for a mod to see what he though. The mod decided that it was inappropriate and there were multiple ways in which it should have been done in one thread.

My reply in regards to he 'also believes in ghosts' is in response to that he believes the above are all in some huge conspiracy against him and his company, when it was and still is one of the highest scoring companies of all time, and is poised to be the first company ever to get a perfect score if he follows through on his word. He's still not revealed the reason why exactly he wants that to happen prematurely though, also hiding behind an NDA on that one.

Anything else?

The amount of BS and lies one person dog can write poop.



I believe our NDA is actually doing you a favour. It prevents you from further humiliating yourself.

[dogie]

All of that, I believe, is because of our unrelated dispute.

Then you probably believe in ghosts as well. You're free to start a scam accusation thread but its becoming off topic here.

this isn't about a "scam" its about your lies, per Guy. stick to the topic Guy is hammering you on.  address the lie issue Guy has brought up and then you can talk about all the ghost stories you wish.

There is nothing to 'admit' to. He's suggesting that because he ..... [the issue HE is hiding behind an NDA on, not me]... that he believes:

1) I opposed spamming threads as marketing, which I did, and still do. For all companies.
2) Asked an incorrectly moved thread discussing said topic to meta so we could have an adult discussion about the above issue, which I did and would do again? If it was not appropriate then the thread would have died immediately, instead it grew to 7 pages and spawned important discussion between the mods.
3) Reported his posts, which is both untrue and irrelevant. As much as he wants to believe his 1 word posts were deleted as part of some conspiracy, I am not a moderator.
4) Reported someone posting 5 threads in a manner that should have just been one thread? Yes, and would do it again because I was not the only person to report them. And I reported one post asking for a mod to see what he though. The mod decided that it was inappropriate and there were multiple ways in which it should have been done in one thread.

My reply in regards to he 'also believes in ghosts' is in response to that he believes the above are all in some huge conspiracy against him and his company, when it was and still is one of the highest scoring companies of all time, and is poised to be the first company ever to get a perfect score if he follows through on his word. He's still not revealed the reason why exactly he wants that to happen prematurely though, also hiding behind an NDA on that one.

Anything else?

The amount of BS and lies one person dog can write poop.

Yet I'm the one ignoring the topic, right?

I believe our NDA is actually doing you a favour. It prevents you from further humiliating yourself.

Then you'll have no problem releasing me from the NDA, right? Or are you going to hide behind it again?

[Guy Corem]

this isn't about a "scam" its about your lies, per Guy. stick to the topic Guy is hammering you on.  

The amount of BS and lies one person dog can write poop.

Yet I'm the one ignoring the topic, right?

I believe our NDA is actually doing you a favour. It prevents you from further humiliating yourself.

Then you'll have no problem releasing me from the NDA, right? Or are you going to hide behind it again?

No matter how many times you'll ask, I won't release you from your NDA, which you gladly signed.
You insist on keep lying about changing your criteria specifically for us, I keep insisting on the NDA.

[dogie]

this isn't about a "scam" its about your lies, per Guy. stick to the topic Guy is hammering you on.  

The amount of BS and lies one person dog can write poop.

Yet I'm the one ignoring the topic, right?

I believe our NDA is actually doing you a favour. It prevents you from further humiliating yourself.

Then you'll have no problem releasing me from the NDA, right? Or are you going to hide behind it again?

No matter how many times you'll ask, I won't release you from your NDA, which you gladly signed.

That's okay, you're free to hide behind it all you like.

[Guy Corem]

this isn't about a "scam" its about your lies, per Guy. stick to the topic Guy is hammering you on.  

The amount of BS and lies one person dog can write poop.

Yet I'm the one ignoring the topic, right?

I believe our NDA is actually doing you a favour. It prevents you from further humiliating yourself.

Then you'll have no problem releasing me from the NDA, right? Or are you going to hide behind it again?

No matter how many times you'll ask, I won't release you from your NDA, which you gladly signed.

That's okay, you're free to hide behind it all you like.

That's okay, you can keep lying about not changing your ranking criteria specifically for us.

[dogie]

this isn't about a "scam" its about your lies, per Guy. stick to the topic Guy is hammering you on. 

The amount of BS and lies one person dog can write poop.

Yet I'm the one ignoring the topic, right?

I believe our NDA is actually doing you a favour. It prevents you from further humiliating yourself.

Then you'll have no problem releasing me from the NDA, right? Or are you going to hide behind it again?

No matter how many times you'll ask, I won't release you from your NDA, which you gladly signed.

That's okay, you're free to hide behind it all you like.

That's okay, you can keep lie about not changing your ranking criteria specifically for us.

Then we're cool then?