【BOT】 🌟 C.A.T. Cryptocurrency Automatic Trader 🌟 (New Price List 04/2021)

[Sampey]

I did not want support, I tried to wrote in an nice way that CAT has a problem with the static mode.

Of course it is clear now that You don't see it that way but I look at the program from a users view not as a developer - my understanding is that this program should be a trading software and I think all people having something to do with exchanges would think a static buy sell order system should buy at the buy price an sell at the sell price - nothing more or less.

As i said, i have fix the problem, so in next version you must not use the solution i suggest you because static mode will works without recalculation and %check. But actually, that solution (a simple solution) works.
So, what's the problem? 

[Sampey]

Hi CAT Users.
In the Version 1.1 i will add the "REAL PORTFOLIO VALUE".
Real portfolio is the real BTC Value that you will get in that moment if you sell all your altcoins.

[megaplage]

As i said, i have fix the problem, so in next version you must not use the solution i suggest you because static mode will works without recalculation and %check. But actually, that solution (a simple solution) works.
So, what's the problem? 

last words from me :

Fix in the next verion - all fine

But

- i pointed You to the the strange behaviour of static mode, sent You logs so You could easily figure out what is happening
- You say static mode does buy and sell at the given prices
- I say it does not, like to see from the logs
- You say it does check % set and recalculates
- I say it should buy and sell at static prices nothing other
- You agree and will fix this in a new version
- You suggest a workaround
- I try it, it does not work
- You don't believe me saying the workaround does not work
- I gave up

So what could have been done especially because this software was paid for

- verifiy the programs behaviour and fix it
- inform the customer that the current version does not work as someone would expect

This is not a minor problem, it losses reproducable coins without any chance to avoid it by the user !

Maybe no one uses static mode so You were lucky. So don't blame me for pointing out an error in CAT which affects all users.

[Sampey]

- You suggest a workaround
- I try it, it does not work

I Ask you for a log to understand why the problem on static algo continue (after you use my suggestion)

If you set Sell (Static) @ X, Buy (Static) @ Y and % GAIN < % Diff between X and Y and algo doesn't work i need to read a log.

If you want to use now the static algo i can send you the version with the fix.

it might work - not very encouraging if the developer does not know or can evaluate his own program

This kind of sentences can offend. Do not you think?
I have worked (and i work) very hard on this project and i always try to do my best.
This is a very complex program, and if there are some errors (in some particular case) i think users should understand instead of treating me like a fool.

Peace 

[andycee]

Hi CAT Users.
In the Version 1.1 i will add the "REAL PORTFOLIO VALUE".
Real portfolio is the real BTC Value that you will get in that moment if you sell all your altcoins.

Great, this will be really helpful. How are you calculating this ?
Either Coin Amount x Best Buy Price, or (correctly) Coin Amount sold to fulfil existing buy orders at that moment ?

Just to say the new version is nice and stable but I have a few other random points & questions....

• As being currently discussed, there are major issues with trading markets with only 1 satoshi buy/sell spread such as DOGE/BTC. In Normal trading mode, C.A.T. sometimes re-calculates the sell price to be the same as the buy price (or vice-versa) resulting in a loss of fees. In Static mode, trades also can recalculate the 'fixed' price (as posted) above, again resulting in same buy/sell price gain losses. I understand you are fixing these issues.
• Some very active markets (such as LTC/BTC) have continuously moving prices, but with very small spreads of less than your minimum gain. The problem here is that it might take forever for C.A.T. to place a new Ping order, as the minimum gain never gets past your threshold. During this time, the market can have moved quite a bit, and we have missed out on some good possible trades. Of course you could set the min. gain to a lower level just to get the Ping trade placed, but you will also then get a lower Pong trade price set, resulting in lower gains. Is it worth adding a 'Ignore %min gain when placing PING order' option ? This probably only affects a couple of markets.
  
  For example...here is C.A.T. not being able to place a new LTC/BTC PING Buy order for nearly an hour due to constantly low spreads under my min. gain of 0.6%.
  

  2014-03-17 09:42:18| BSP : Pool Buy/Sell Must Wait :  Min Sell Price is 0.02783960 Max Buy Price is 0.02779999 % Diff is 0.14248206 % Ref is 0.6
  2014-03-17 09:45:37| BSP : Pool Buy/Sell Must Wait :  Min Sell Price is 0.02786990 Max Buy Price is 0.02783972 % Diff is 0.10840626 % Ref is 0.6
  2014-03-17 09:48:58| BSP : Pool Buy/Sell Must Wait :  Min Sell Price is 0.02787000 Max Buy Price is 0.02779000 % Diff is 0.28787333 % Ref is 0.6
  2014-03-17 09:52:17| BSP : Pool Buy/Sell Must Wait :  Min Sell Price is 0.02786989 Max Buy Price is 0.02785391 % Diff is 0.05737076 % Ref is 0.6
  2014-03-17 09:55:37| BSP : Pool Buy/Sell Must Wait :  Min Sell Price is 0.02789000 Max Buy Price is 0.02787791 % Diff is 0.04336766 % Ref is 0.6
  2014-03-17 09:58:57| BSP : Pool Buy/Sell Must Wait :  Min Sell Price is 0.02789000 Max Buy Price is 0.02787791 % Diff is 0.04336766 % Ref is 0.6
  2014-03-17 10:02:17| BSP : Pool Buy/Sell Must Wait :  Min Sell Price is 0.02787789 Max Buy Price is 0.02773192 % Diff is 0.52636095 % Ref is 0.6
  2014-03-17 10:05:37| BSP : Pool Buy/Sell Must Wait :  Min Sell Price is 0.02787730 Max Buy Price is 0.02780002 % Diff is 0.27798541 % Ref is 0.6
  2014-03-17 10:08:57| BSP : Pool Buy/Sell Must Wait :  Min Sell Price is 0.02787729 Max Buy Price is 0.02783970 % Diff is 0.13502300 % Ref is 0.6
  2014-03-17 10:12:17| BSP : Pool Buy/Sell Must Wait :  Min Sell Price is 0.02787727 Max Buy Price is 0.02780002 % Diff is 0.27787749 % Ref is 0.6
  2014-03-17 10:15:38| BSP : Pool Buy/Sell Must Wait :  Min Sell Price is 0.02780002 Max Buy Price is 0.02771255 % Diff is 0.31563316 % Ref is 0.6
  2014-03-17 10:18:57| BSP : Pool Buy/Sell Must Wait :  Min Sell Price is 0.02786679 Max Buy Price is 0.02780003 % Diff is 0.24014362 % Ref is 0.6
  2014-03-17 10:22:18| BSP : Pool Buy/Sell Must Wait :  Min Sell Price is 0.02780003 Max Buy Price is 0.02770901 % Diff is 0.32848521 % Ref is 0.6
  2014-03-17 10:25:38| BSP : Pool Buy/Sell Must Wait :  Min Sell Price is 0.02780003 Max Buy Price is 0.02770902 % Diff is 0.32844900 % Ref is 0.6
  2014-03-17 10:28:58| BSP : Pool Buy/Sell Must Wait :  Min Sell Price is 0.02780002 Max Buy Price is 0.02770923 % Diff is 0.32765255 % Ref is 0.6
  2014-03-17 10:32:17| BSP : Pool Buy/Sell Must Wait :  Min Sell Price is 0.02780003 Max Buy Price is 0.02780002 % Diff is 0.00003597 % Ref is 0.6
  2014-03-17 10:35:37| BSP : Pool Buy/Sell Must Wait :  Min Sell Price is 0.02780003 Max Buy Price is 0.02780003 % Diff is 0.00000000 % Ref is 0.6
  2014-03-17 10:39:04| BSP : Pool Buy/Sell Must Wait :  Min Sell Price is 0.02785998 Max Buy Price is 0.02780003 % Diff is 0.21564724 % Ref is 0.6
  

• Why do the volume amounts in the Markets page bear little or no resembalance to trade volumes in Cryptsy ? How are these two amounts calculated ?
• Is Always Create Pong Orders From Trade saved/set just by changing it, or by Update Ping Pong Parameter ?
• And lastly, most important suggestion !
  
  Everyone needs to be using stop limits to maximise their profits, preventing 'stuck' trades on the outer limits of the trading price range. I use the Stop Ping Creation algo options, but I think these should be improved as they currently do not differentiate between PING Buys & Sells.
  
  For example, if a market gets too high for your trading price range, you only want to stop PING buying new coins at this high price - as you will then have to PONG sell even higher to make profit. BUT, if you have a coin balance available for PING sell orders, you are more than happy to sell at a high price, as you then expect the market to fall and you will then PONG Buy to make a profit.
  So, I really think these two options should be :
  - Stop Ping BUY Creation if Sell Value >
  - Stop Ping SELL Creation if Buy Value <
  
  Currently, a too low or too high price stops ALL Ping creations, both Ping Buys & Ping Sells...which stops you from trading on the other high / low side of the markets price range.
• Oh, and I forget to ask again...Please could we have some kind of indication that a markets trades are being limited by min/max stop limits ? If we could use a different colour for the market tab text, that would be great. Currently you have to go into each log to check if stop limits are in effect.

thanks for listening !!  

[megaplage]

You successfully identify a channel in a market, set the static trading to take advantage of this, let it run overnight and then looking at the results all hopes of gains are wiped away : 6 initially winning trades turned each into a loss of 0.5% transaction fee ! Tried the suggestion and the next set of losses occured ...

So what do You expect, yes it was offending but I got upset along the conversion because I thought I made things clear in a fair way and You seemed to play things down not being important...
I even gave You the information You wanted but maybe to hidden ...

I will remove the % Check in the next release.
I think it is not a big problem, i gave you the solution. 

solution does not work !

maybe one should set the pct to a greater value than the diff of buy and sell but I am done with this now - it's simply annoying

I have fix this problem in the next version, but why do you say that doesn't work??? What message did you get?

I got no message, only the same behaviour as shown above

Every pong trade was adjusted to the entry price and therefore closed with a loss of the transaction fee

Maybe my bar is set too high after being >20 years in the business of it/software development but what I know is that the only truth lies within the source code of a program. So it is (should be) always possible to predict the outcome of operations. So I didn't initially treated (or wanted to) You like a fool but along the discussion it was tempting... So please try to understand the users view and that they want to help You - as You as the developer with the source are the only one who can change and evaluate things.

So let's move on an keep improving CAT

[Sampey]

Great, this will be really helpful. How are you calculating this ?
Either Coin Amount x Best Buy Price, or (correctly) Coin Amount sold to fulfil existing buy orders at that moment ?

Yes, Real Portfolio Value is a simulation of what happen if you sell all your coins in a precise moment.
And yes, i start filling all buy orders using your quantity.

As being currently discussed, there are major issues with trading markets with only 1 satoshi buy/sell spread such as DOGE/BTC. In Normal trading mode, C.A.T. sometimes re-calculates the sell price to be the same as the buy price (or vice-versa) resulting in a loss of fees. In Static mode, trades also can recalculate the 'fixed' price (as posted) above, again resulting in same buy/sell price gain losses. I understand you are fixing these issues.

This 2 problems will be fixed in the next version. 

• Some very active markets (such as LTC/BTC) have continuously moving prices, but with very small spreads of less than your minimum gain. The problem here is that it might take forever for C.A.T. to place a new Ping order, as the minimum gain never gets past your threshold. During this time, the market can have moved quite a bit, and we have missed out on some good possible trades. Of course you could set the min. gain to a lower level just to get the Ping trade placed, but you will also then get a lower Pong trade price set, resulting in lower gains. Is it worth adding a 'Ignore %min gain when placing PING order' option ? This probably only affects a couple of markets.
  
  For example...here is C.A.T. not being able to place a new LTC/BTC PING Buy order for nearly an hour due to constantly low spreads under my min. gain of 0.6%.
  

  2014-03-17 09:42:18| BSP : Pool Buy/Sell Must Wait :  Min Sell Price is 0.02783960 Max Buy Price is 0.02779999 % Diff is 0.14248206 % Ref is 0.6
  2014-03-17 09:45:37| BSP : Pool Buy/Sell Must Wait :  Min Sell Price is 0.02786990 Max Buy Price is 0.02783972 % Diff is 0.10840626 % Ref is 0.6
  2014-03-17 09:48:58| BSP : Pool Buy/Sell Must Wait :  Min Sell Price is 0.02787000 Max Buy Price is 0.02779000 % Diff is 0.28787333 % Ref is 0.6
  2014-03-17 09:52:17| BSP : Pool Buy/Sell Must Wait :  Min Sell Price is 0.02786989 Max Buy Price is 0.02785391 % Diff is 0.05737076 % Ref is 0.6
  2014-03-17 09:55:37| BSP : Pool Buy/Sell Must Wait :  Min Sell Price is 0.02789000 Max Buy Price is 0.02787791 % Diff is 0.04336766 % Ref is 0.6
  2014-03-17 09:58:57| BSP : Pool Buy/Sell Must Wait :  Min Sell Price is 0.02789000 Max Buy Price is 0.02787791 % Diff is 0.04336766 % Ref is 0.6
  2014-03-17 10:02:17| BSP : Pool Buy/Sell Must Wait :  Min Sell Price is 0.02787789 Max Buy Price is 0.02773192 % Diff is 0.52636095 % Ref is 0.6
  2014-03-17 10:05:37| BSP : Pool Buy/Sell Must Wait :  Min Sell Price is 0.02787730 Max Buy Price is 0.02780002 % Diff is 0.27798541 % Ref is 0.6
  2014-03-17 10:08:57| BSP : Pool Buy/Sell Must Wait :  Min Sell Price is 0.02787729 Max Buy Price is 0.02783970 % Diff is 0.13502300 % Ref is 0.6
  2014-03-17 10:12:17| BSP : Pool Buy/Sell Must Wait :  Min Sell Price is 0.02787727 Max Buy Price is 0.02780002 % Diff is 0.27787749 % Ref is 0.6
  2014-03-17 10:15:38| BSP : Pool Buy/Sell Must Wait :  Min Sell Price is 0.02780002 Max Buy Price is 0.02771255 % Diff is 0.31563316 % Ref is 0.6
  2014-03-17 10:18:57| BSP : Pool Buy/Sell Must Wait :  Min Sell Price is 0.02786679 Max Buy Price is 0.02780003 % Diff is 0.24014362 % Ref is 0.6
  2014-03-17 10:22:18| BSP : Pool Buy/Sell Must Wait :  Min Sell Price is 0.02780003 Max Buy Price is 0.02770901 % Diff is 0.32848521 % Ref is 0.6
  2014-03-17 10:25:38| BSP : Pool Buy/Sell Must Wait :  Min Sell Price is 0.02780003 Max Buy Price is 0.02770902 % Diff is 0.32844900 % Ref is 0.6
  2014-03-17 10:28:58| BSP : Pool Buy/Sell Must Wait :  Min Sell Price is 0.02780002 Max Buy Price is 0.02770923 % Diff is 0.32765255 % Ref is 0.6
  2014-03-17 10:32:17| BSP : Pool Buy/Sell Must Wait :  Min Sell Price is 0.02780003 Max Buy Price is 0.02780002 % Diff is 0.00003597 % Ref is 0.6
  2014-03-17 10:35:37| BSP : Pool Buy/Sell Must Wait :  Min Sell Price is 0.02780003 Max Buy Price is 0.02780003 % Diff is 0.00000000 % Ref is 0.6
  2014-03-17 10:39:04| BSP : Pool Buy/Sell Must Wait :  Min Sell Price is 0.02785998 Max Buy Price is 0.02780003 % Diff is 0.21564724 % Ref is 0.6
  

yes this could be a good feature. "Always Place Ping" was one of the feature i have in mind (but it's not easy like Always Place Pong, because i want to avoid the risk to get a "bad" value during Ping Creation, and create a bad order, so this feature could have more than 1 check before commit).
Any suggestion?

• Why do the volume amounts in the Markets page bear little or no resembalance to trade volumes in Cryptsy ? How are these two amounts calculated ?

Is the (Total Amount in Currency / BTC Value of that Coins) (BTC Value is the last trade value)

• Is Always Create Pong Orders From Trade saved/set just by changing it, or by Update Ping Pong Parameter ?

When you change a Ping Pong PArameter during a running, you must always press the UPDATE Button (and verify in the Market Log that parameters are correct).

Everyone needs to be using stop limits to maximise their profits, preventing 'stuck' trades on the outer limits of the trading price range. I use the Stop Ping Creation algo options, but I think these should be improved as they currently do not differentiate between PING Buys & Sells.

For example, if a market gets too high for your trading price range, you only want to stop PING buying new coins at this high price - as you will then have to PONG sell even higher to make profit. BUT, if you have a coin balance available for PING sell orders, you are more than happy to sell at a high price, as you then expect the market to fall and you will then PONG Buy to make a profit.
So, I really think these two options should be :
- Stop Ping BUY Creation if Sell Value >
- Stop Ping SELL Creation if Buy Value <

Currently, a too low or too high price stops ALL Ping creations, both Ping Buys & Ping Sells...which stops you from trading on the other high / low side of the markets price range.[/li]
[li] Oh, and I forget to ask again...Please could we have some kind of indication that a markets trades are being limited by min/max stop limits ? If we could use a different colour for the market tab text, that would be great. Currently you have to go into each log to check if stop limits are in effect.[/li]
[/list]

This is another good idea i will try to add in the next release.

thanks for suggestion 

[Sampey]

So let's move on an keep improving CAT

If you want i have a tested version of CAT with static algo, i can send you this version if you want to try the static mode. 

[Sampey]

• Why do the volume amounts in the Markets page bear little or no resembalance to trade volumes in Cryptsy ? How are these two amounts calculated ?

Correct answer : Total Amount in Currency * BTC Value of that Coins (i have written Total Amount in Currency / BTC Value of that Coins)

[andycee]

Thanks for your responses Sampey 

[mulde]

want to buy private cat please pm me

[madpoet]

Selling my license of C.A.T. for .5 btc.  PM me.  Includes the Cryptsy account it is tied to.

[Spratan]

Hi Sampey

I noticed only 2 problems :
- Putting a static order is definitive, even if you ultimately uncheck "static" and update parameters.
- NXT doesn't accept decimals, so Pongs don't work in NXT market.

Just another word : I used to invest only in promising coins because if I get temporarily stucked in alt-coin, I don't care.
I have to say I am not sure there are still promising coins and Cryptsy is becoming a cemetery. So intelligently using CAT is becoming harder.
Are you planning others exchanges ?

Thanks

[Sampey]

Hi Sampey

I noticed only 2 problems :
- Putting a static order is definitive, even if you ultimately uncheck "static" and update parameters.
- NXT doesn't accept decimals, so Pongs don't work in NXT market.

Just another word : I used to invest only in promising coins because if I get temporarily stucked in alt-coin, I don't care.
I have to say I am not sure there are still promising coins and Cryptsy is becoming a cemetery. So intelligently using CAT is becoming harder.
Are you planning others exchanges ?

Thanks

Yes, statis is definitive
Oh so NXT is like CENT?? I will restore the CENT Code to use NXT

Yes i'm planning to interface CAT "Core" with other exchanges but i don't know actually which exchange choose.

[golikcoin]

Yes i'm planning to interface CAT "Core" with other exchanges but i don't know actually which exchange choose.

Wow great news!!! 

next week i'll restart CAT, this week i was too busy to check it 

[Spratan]

You could choose BTC-E because
- The volume of exchanges is enormous (so there are always buyers and sellers, and numbers of successful pongs can be great),
- Markets are very often "sideways"
- You can trade BTC and fiat, so one doesn't care if he gets stucked in BTC or fiat (unlike "shitcoins")

If you choose another "cryptsy copycat exchange", it won't add nothing interesting, just a few altcoins that were'nt on Cryptsy, but with low volume.
And again, CAT is perfect for daily or weekly gains on sideways, not really for speculation.

[megaplage]

I am also all for BTC-E for the obvious reasons made above by Spratan

[Sampey]

I am checking the BTC-E Api, and they are VERY Poor. It will be an hard work to interface C.A.T. on this kind of api.
No Market List.....less info than Cryptsy.......different way to use call parameters......it is not only an interface work, but i must go inside the core code.

I think it will be easier to start from CAT and adequate all the code removing what is impossible to adequate, and create a new Program (B.A.T. obviously  )

[frufru]

Sampey, I never used the "Don't create ping with total < Than" option,  I'm thinking about it now but it's not clear to me, you set the number of coins here or the value ?

[andycee]

In anticipation of the 1 Satoshi spread fix (no pressure Sampey  ), I've been watching the movements in such markets closely...DOGE/BTC would be a good example.

One question always asked is how can I (or how can C.A.T.) spot a rising market which is about to turn and start on a downward trend. At this point it would be best to stop buying in, and wait for the market to drop 1 Satoshi.

Well this is quite simple to spot as once the current stack of Buy orders reaches zero, then the market buy/sell moves down 1 price point.

So for instance, if you were Ping Buying @ ..121 and Pong Selling @ ..122, then this market looks like its about to drop as the ...121 Buy order stack is nearing zero.

Code:

 Sell orders
Price (BTC)	DOGE	Total (BTC)
0.00000122	4177072.17110799	5.09602805
0.00000123	3235257.77545642	3.97936706
0.00000124	8584152.67462602	10.64434932
0.00000125	22303657.36914711	27.87957171

 Buy Orders
Price (BTC)	DOGE	Total (BTC)
0.00000121	5146504.36723128	0.22727028  <<<<<<<<<<
0.00000120	13942266.81836029	16.73072018
0.00000119	5759662.02588798	6.85399781
0.00000118	24435427.01642257	28.83380388

So...my suggestion is a simple one - to add another filter - 'Never Create Ping to Existing Order Queue of < XXX Value'.

Of course this will only stop adding NEW Ping Buy Orders. You could also have 'Cancel Ping if Order Queue < XXX Value' which might just stop you in time before the price changes.

Comments please !