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January 09, 2019, 07:43:11 PM
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I don't really get why someone would add a Jr. Member after buying an item.

There are a bunch of collectibles manufacturers who are trusted regardless of what their rank is in here. (Smartpaymint isn't one of them, though...)

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January 09, 2019, 07:43:45 PM
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Sweet, there goes my account.

All it takes is some unhinged ramblings from Timelord2067. Wink

I can see the intent behind this, but I'm definitely feeling screwed over by bullshit feedback.

I hope that current DT members look into these feedbacks and fix them, either by countering them or by asking the DT member who gave the negative trust  to remove it "if it's a false accusation with no solid proof"or by untrusting / tagging him as a last resort.

i don't see that  happening too fast and easy, but the current system kind of allow current DT members to tweak the list , i hope it gets used for a good purpose to defend the innocent and punish the guilty.

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January 09, 2019, 07:45:47 PM
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I don't really get why someone would add a Jr. Member after buying an item.
There are a bunch of collectibles manufacturers who are trusted regardless of what their rank is in here. (Smartpaymint isn't one of them, though...)
Collectibles if often like a complety disclocated set of the forum. Rank doesn't usually mean much there.

I hope that current DT members look into these feedbacks and fix them, either by countering them or by asking the DT member who gave the negative trust  to remove it "if it's a false accusation with no solid proof"or by untrusting / tagging him as a last resort.
Alrleady working on it, and already receiving threats. Undecided As long as the participants are open minded, it should work out okay.
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January 09, 2019, 07:48:08 PM
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Anduck has been complaining for months how one negative trust can ruin a rating.

Now he is doing it to me.

I don't see him jumping to remove it.  Anyone believe he is not a hypocrite? 

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January 09, 2019, 07:49:27 PM
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Although I'm still a bit confused on how this new system will work I'm happy to see some changes, thank you theymos!

The old DT system was surely outdated and I know see some people that are good to have in there and It'll be interesting to see how all of this plays out. Hopefully we can move on from a lot of the past drama and start anew Smiley.

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January 09, 2019, 07:50:01 PM
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Anduck has been complaining for months how one negative trust can ruin a rating.

Now he is doing it to me.

I don't see him jumping to remove it.  Anyone believe he is not a hypocrite? 

 Tongue
It's simple.
All that being said, I still discourage retaliatory ratings, and with these changes I encourage people to try to "bury the hatchet" and de-escalate rather than trying to use any increased retaliatory power you now have. Also, it's best to make your own custom list, and you must do this if you want to be on DT1.
You both remove the ratings. There are bigger problems to focus on. Grin
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January 09, 2019, 07:50:50 PM
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Anduck has been complaining for months how one negative trust can ruin a rating.

Now he is doing it to me.

I don't see him jumping to remove it.  Anyone believe he is not a hypocrite? 

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You've ignored my PM. I am a reasonable man, we can discuss, but not when you have me ignored.

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January 09, 2019, 07:52:37 PM
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People who you add to your list are DT1 for you. The people that they have added to their lists are DT2 for you. Feedbacks from both layers are visible by default.
Ahhh make sense. I will  need to review the outcome again. Thanks



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Full working link for anyone that needs it (thanks ib): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dt
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I believe the hierarchical view would be: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;full;dt
don't know about this coz I actually don't understand the Hierarchical view LOL


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January 09, 2019, 07:53:50 PM
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If I understand correctly the default trust list is useless now since it will change periodically?

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January 09, 2019, 07:54:06 PM
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@theymos, can that default trust extension stay up indefinitely, it means I can remove default trust from my trust list if so?

I'm not sure I agree with the force adding of 10 people. At a push I have probably 5 I'd definitely trust, just my 2 cents though I'm not fussed about being added I'm sure my reputation speaks for itself anyway Grin and anyone who makes a reputation argument without a reference (under most circumstances) should be distrusted anyway.

@le, that's how I take it. Or it will at least be diluted.

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January 09, 2019, 07:54:59 PM
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If I understand correctly the default trust list is useless now since it will change periodically?
No; it's just much more dynamic (and going to get much more bigger/wider).

@theymos, can that default trust extension stay up indefinitely, it means I can remove default trust from my trust list if so?
You can make any changes to your own view as always.
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January 09, 2019, 07:55:42 PM
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You both remove the ratings. There are bigger problems to focus on. Grin

That would make the rest of my trust ratings questionable.

He scammed and I mark scammers.  I guess now scammers can mark me.  Smiley

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Previous investigations:  OG vs Lauda (2018)  OG vs TMAN (2017)  OG vs Owlcatz (2018)  OG vs Twitchyseal (2018)  OG vs Lutpin (2016)  After all these complaints, OG was removed as the sole forum treasurer in early 2019. 
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January 09, 2019, 07:56:15 PM
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For years I've been unhappy with how DefaultTrust ended up as a centralized and largely-untouchable authority, but I was reluctant to change it because the alternatives seemed too messy. However, I've finally decided to try some changes, and we'll see how it works.

I have also been unhappy with your useless badly designed Default trust system.
However recently it actually worked and banned your worst offender/abuser of it.

Your recent changes have returned that individual to a point where she is again able to continue her harassment of people ,
that only crime is they have a difference of opinion and won't buckle to her extortion of them.

Since your changes have once again turned her loose on the community,
it only infers that you personally support her actions, as it was a major undertaking to exclude the bitch from DT.

Your changes are bad , your default trust system is utterly useless.
Want to really improve it, then scrap the whole damn thing.

Continuance of DT , shows the truth behind your character by the villains/criminals that you support with it.


 Cool

I was Red Tagged because Lauda Blows Theymos to get back on DT
The rest are just lauda's personal butt monkeys=> Hhampuz , Vod, TMAN , achow101
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January 09, 2019, 07:57:54 PM
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I will go through all my trust ratings when I get time, I do realise the impact they have on people - anyone with a tag from me without a reference or wanting to bitch please chill out and give me a week

@vod @anduck - please touch each others helmets and move on - big change here, lets not have trusted members get into penis measuring contests - we all know that Thepharmacist will win anyway

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January 09, 2019, 08:05:00 PM
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You both remove the ratings. There are bigger problems to focus on. Grin

That would make the rest of my trust ratings questionable.

He scammed and I mark scammers.  I guess now scammers can mark me.  Smiley

My reformed list seems good. You're -1/+27 to me.
I added too many of Jet Cash's alts though and I think that scews it a bit. Ah well, I can change it as and where necessary.

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January 09, 2019, 08:05:34 PM
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That would make the rest of my trust ratings questionable.
It would certainly not, no.

He scammed and I mark scammers.  I guess now scammers can mark me.  Smiley
I'm certain that a lot of different people see his actions and the dispute very differently. There have been too many posts about it to begin with. Either way, he won't do it again (I hope). Either way, it's been a very long time now.

@vod @anduck - please touch each others helmets and move on - big change here, lets not have trusted members get into penis measuring contests - we all know that Thepharmacist will win anyway
Would be nice. This dispute is very difficult for anyone who trusts both of them for very different reasons.

All that being said, I still discourage retaliatory ratings, and with these changes I encourage people to try to "bury the hatchet" and de-escalate rather than trying to use any increased retaliatory power you now have.
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January 09, 2019, 08:08:28 PM
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@vod @anduck - please touch each others helmets and move on
For what it's worth, I agree with you on that one.  The self-bidding thing was wrong, but as Lauda pointed out it was a long time ago, and even though Anduck is still justifying it I don't think he'll do it again.

But not this one:
penis measuring contests - we all know that Thepharmacist will win anyway
Flaccid, it could be mistaken for a bellybutton.

I don't think I have to do much adjusting to the trust I've left, since I was already on DT2 anyway and I don't make it a common practice to leave feedback without either a reference link or an explanation, and I don't think I've left retaliatory feedback.  I'll take a look at the trust I've given out, but man...it's quite a lot.  

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January 09, 2019, 08:09:30 PM
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That would make the rest of my trust ratings questionable.
It would certainly not, no.

Of course it would!

If all it takes for a scammer to get away with scamming is to tag me back and then negotiate mutual removal, no one will trust my ratings anymore.

If Anduck is willing to remove his rating if I remove mine, what does that say about his rating?


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Previous investigations:  OG vs Lauda (2018)  OG vs TMAN (2017)  OG vs Owlcatz (2018)  OG vs Twitchyseal (2018)  OG vs Lutpin (2016)  After all these complaints, OG was removed as the sole forum treasurer in early 2019. 
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January 09, 2019, 08:11:42 PM
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If Anduck is willing to remove his rating if I remove mine, what does that say about his rating?
Well: If you view every "dispute" in which parties exchanged negative ratings, then you can never "burry the hatchet" with anyone. No?
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I'm sure we are gonna see some dick measuring at 1st, but overall I think this is great for the forum

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