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January 16, 2019, 07:01:36 PM
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Thanks Loyce, ashamed I missed this myself TBH
He's still on DT2 (excluded by ibminer and included by Lafu). I've only excluded scammers (and users with terrible judgement) so far, I'll see how it develops. There's a lot of users to review.

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January 16, 2019, 07:05:17 PM
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I've been away since I was put on DT1, and I have a lot of reading to do to catch up, but my first impression is that there's already a circle jerk even more controversy when certain accounts suddenly leave each other trust and add each other to their trust list. And just like the hostile takeover I described, a dozen users can easily add all of them on DT, and turn all of them to +110 (after 10 months).

I would like to think that, as Theymos intended, the system is now able to eventually right itself, but who knows... We have to give it time for the kinks to get ironed out. There are obviously now kinks galore but in a few months maybe things will settle down a bit..





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January 16, 2019, 07:21:30 PM
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I am not ignoring the rule. I am participating in a discussion about the DT changes. I wanted to show an example of the weakness with the DT change so I believe I am in the right place=>> the DT changes discussion

syl...

So you believe I am Sylon? Quite funny.

Please make that unfunded accusation, and I will be pleased to tag you Smiley (not a threat, simple cause -> effect relation)

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Rep is the best place for this, “if” you prove to be correct you can link the rep thread into a post here, asche deserves the right to defend himself buddy

I am giving an exemple while participating in a discussion. as I said
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January 16, 2019, 07:26:05 PM
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Thanks Loyce, ashamed I missed this myself TBH
He's still on DT2 (excluded by ibminer and included by Lafu). I've only excluded scammers (and users with terrible judgement) so far, I'll see how it develops. There's a lot of users to review.

Excluded by me now till I speak with him and sort it fella

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January 16, 2019, 07:44:46 PM
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I would like to think that, as Theymos intended, the system is now able to eventually right itself, but who knows...
Eventually it can boil down to the question who have the most accounts with enough voting power (read: Merit): "the good guys", or "the bad guys"?

That brings me back to this comment:
I like LoyceV just fine but 6X as many votes as SaltySpitoon? lol no..
If you put it like this, it is weird indeed.
This now makes perfect sense! If I assume "the good guys" earn more Merit, but "the bad guys" create more accounts, it makes perfect sense not to cap the voting power of accounts with a lot of Merit ("the good guys"), while many accounts with less Merit keep their voting power by sheer number of accounts they have ("the bad guys").



In case I don't make any sense: I barely slept for 3 days, I have no caffeine left in my blood, so I'm off for the night.

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January 16, 2019, 09:27:02 PM
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I was on the DT2 list for a very short time. Just started to paint the farmers account - immediately disappeared from the list (probably due to the fact that dropped TheFuzzStone)  Cry
Added you in under me man, you should be on DT
It feels like DT has much more inflation that Bitcoin at the moment. Take Alex_Sr's Sent feedback for example: he started sending green trust the moment he was on put on DT. Look at his feedback on DabLjat:
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Expert on trust issues and active user!
Let me focus on the last 2 words: "active user". The account is 7 months young, has 104 posts, and (who would have thought!) he too started dropping green and red trust the same day!

I've been away since I was put on DT1, and I have a lot of reading to do to catch up, but my first impression is that there's already a circle jerk even more controversy when certain accounts suddenly leave each other trust and add each other to their trust list. And just like the hostile takeover I described, a dozen users can easily add all of them on DT, and turn all of them to +110 (after 10 months).

Just a thought: I've seen users counter negative trust, countering positive trust would be a new thing.

Thoughts like the above are exactly why I have LoyceV on my trust list. 

I too have a bunch of catching up to do but at first glance it would seem Alex_Sr is not correctly using their new responsibilites

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January 16, 2019, 10:06:45 PM
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I too have a bunch of catching up to do but at first glance it would seem Alex_Sr is not correctly using their new responsibilites

he wants to show that he is " working " Grin

2019-01-15

only in one day, he left more than 80 negative feedbacks and with reference

This guy should enter the guinness book

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January 16, 2019, 10:10:47 PM
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only in one day, he left more than 80 negative feedbacks and with reference
While I completely agree with the points made regarding the positive feedback he has left, to be fair to him, his negative feedbacks had originally been left over a period of weeks to months. However, he had not left any references for them, as so was advised earlier in this thread to update them all with references, which he did:

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Thank you for correcting me! I'm not experienced yet, but I'm learning fast!

Done! All negative ratings now with links!

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January 17, 2019, 12:07:22 AM
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only in one day, he left more than 80 negative feedbacks and with reference
While I completely agree with the points made regarding the positive feedback he has left, to be fair to him, his negative feedbacks had originally been left over a period of weeks to months. However, he had not left any references for them, as so was advised earlier in this thread to update them all with references, which he did:

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Please add reference links to all your negative ratings.

Thank you for correcting me! I'm not experienced yet, but I'm learning fast!

Done! All negative ratings now with links!

this means that he placed these references in just one day  Grin


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January 17, 2019, 12:20:57 AM
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But.... Why???

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January 17, 2019, 05:30:24 AM
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Let me focus on the last 2 words: "active user". The account is 7 months young, has 104 posts, and (who would have thought!) he too started dropping green and red trust the same day!

I've been away since I was put on DT1, and I have a lot of reading to do to catch up, but my first impression is that there's already a circle jerk even more controversy when certain accounts suddenly leave each other trust and add each other to their trust list. And just like the hostile takeover I described, a dozen users can easily add all of them on DT, and turn all of them to +110 (after 10 months).

Just a thought: I've seen users counter negative trust, countering positive trust would be a new thing.

My feedback of this user was given for the creation of this topic dedicated to the trust: [Challenge] Create your Trust list - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5096402.0

If leaving such feedback is a problem-tell me: "Bro is a problem!" and I will not leave such feedback!

As I wrote earlier I am still very inexperienced in matters of trust, but I'm learning fast:

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Thank you for correcting me! I'm not experienced yet, but I'm learning fast!

Done! All negative ratings now with links!

this means that he placed these references in just one day  Grin

Yes, I rewrote all my negative feedback in one day, as they did not contain a Reference link

P.S. I really want to get feedback from the community that I have to fix!


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January 17, 2019, 05:56:33 AM
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 #752

My feedback of this user was given for the creation of this topic dedicated to the trust: [Challenge] Create your Trust list - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5096402.0

If leaving such reviews is a problem-tell me: "Bro is a problem!" and I will not leave such reviews!
No mate positive, feedback isn't like negative feedback. Negative feedback could be send for single reason/thread. But if it's positive feedback then you can't leave it just for made a thread. Do you know how hardly managed positive feedback by old DT? I have made more then 34 valid scam accusation, but still I haven't got any positive feedback for that also it doesn't mean I am trusted (I wasn't did for feedback or whatever) but I am still doing that. Now think how you can leave positive feedback for single post and you are just new added on DT ?

Seems you are bit active to handle few scammers, so my suggestion is ;
Delete your positive feedback which is really not necessary. There is only few are deserve it. And hardly try to use reference link. Especially on negative feedback. Then contact with TMAN , I am still not sure he will put back you. But you can try. Please don't use native language on feedback.

To be honest just one guys on my list is new, and I have send him PM to don't misuse you feedback. And don't send me any feedback because of I added you on my list. Otherwise I have to exclude you.





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January 17, 2019, 06:09:06 AM
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So you believe I am Sylon? Quite funny.
Please no or this will not end well. Undecided

Delete your positive feedback which is really not necessary. There is only few are deserve it.
Exactly. People need to be conservative or we will have even more "scammed by light/dark green trusted users" threads.
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January 17, 2019, 06:26:38 AM
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~snip~

Spoken with Alex, he is fully aware of the situation as I see it, I have requested some immediate action and some changes moving forwards. I will be adding him back to my trust list, i will keep and eye on his ratings but if anyone else notices something that isn't "standard" please PM him and if you don't like the answer please come to me.

It has to be said I do like how fluid this is being compared to the previous system and I do encourage anyone who has an issue with my trust-list to reach out to me, we are a community and DT is here to protect the community, think of it as a true democracy - not Trump, more like the cool dude in charge at your northern neighbor.

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January 17, 2019, 06:29:51 AM
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Exactly. People need to be conservative or we will have even more "scammed by light/dark green trusted users" threads.

People should probably also start using the neutral tag more often. From what I've seen it's mainly used as pre-negative and very rarely as something pre-positive. Not sure why it's like that but leaving a positive for anything and everything is getting out of hand.

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January 17, 2019, 06:33:51 AM
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Seems you are bit active to handle few scammers, so my suggestion is ;
Delete your positive feedback which is really not necessary. There is only few are deserve it. And hardly try to use reference link. Especially on negative feedback. Then contact with TMAN , I am still not sure he will put back you. But you can try. Please don't use native language on feedback.

To be honest just one guys on my list is new, and I have send him PM to don't misuse you feedback. And don't send me any feedback because of I added you on my list. Otherwise I have to exclude you.

Thanks! I deleted all feedback without Reference link. From now on I'm only motivated to leave feedback and I will be very conservative!

Spoken with Alex, he is fully aware of the situation as I see it, I have requested some immediate action and some changes moving forwards. I will be adding him back to my trust list, i will keep and eye on his ratings but if anyone else notices something that isn't "standard" please PM him and if you don't like the answer please come to me.

It has to be said I do like how fluid this is being compared to the previous system and I do encourage anyone who has an issue with my trust-list to reach out to me, we are a community and DT is here to protect the community, think of it as a true democracy - not Trump, more like the cool dude in charge at your northern neighbor.

Thanks for mentoring! I appreciate that! This is a new experience for me.


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January 17, 2019, 07:40:27 AM
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Thanks! I deleted all feedback without Reference link. From now on I'm only motivated to leave feedback and I will be very conservative!
Well, I have checked your feedback right now. Seems you have cleaned your feedback look like legitimate to me. I am not sure who have exclude you. But I think you deserve second chance. Although its depend on who excluded you. Ask TMAN for reconsideration.





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January 17, 2019, 07:44:04 AM
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I am not sure who have exclude you. But I think you deserve second chance. Although its depend on who excluded you. Ask TMAN for reconsideration.

I removed then excluded him, we had a chat about my issues - he fixed what I saw as wrong and now Alex is back on my trust-list, hopefully all issues around trust-lists can be that easy to resolve.

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It has to be said I do like how fluid this is being compared to the previous system and I do encourage anyone who has an issue with my trust-list to reach out to me, we are a community and DT is here to protect the community, think of it as a true democracy - not Trump, more like the cool dude in charge at your northern neighbor.
I would echo this statement, especially since I am new on DT and doubly especially to the DT1 users who saw fit to include me on their trust lists. The last thing we want is to get in to an back-and-forth escalation of exclusions for inappropriate ratings. Now, while some change and evolution of the system is good and bound to happen from month to month, if all of DT1 fill their lists up with various exclusions, then a small change in DT1 would result in a much larger change in DT2, and then potentially the loss of good feedback or the gain of poor feedback. Much better simply to discuss and resolve concerns in the open.

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The last thing we want is to get in to an back-and-forth escalation of exclusions for inappropriate ratings
I thought I had you in my list already, added you now as this is the type of attitude everyone on DT should have

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