DefaultTrust changes

[Hhampuz]

So this is the list for consideration:

BadBear
dserrano5
hilariousandco
Maged
philipma1957
SaltySpitoon
Tomatocage

If you think any of these members have good reliable trust lists and deserve to be back in DT1 - please include them in your list. They may have been unfairly penalized by being in the old DT, which gave less incentive for other users to include them.

I definitely feel like hilarious, Salty and BadBear should be getting back, the others I don't know that well to comment. Tomato however, feels iffy.

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[Quickseller]

Perhaps it would be a good idea to blacklist Lauda, TMAN and owlcatz, considering they all were part of an extortion attempt....

[theymos]

Unless major problems come up, I'm going to reconstruct DT1 again using the published criteria on Monday, so set up your trust lists before then. After that I'll probably switch to doing it near the beginning of each month.

[owlcatz]

Perhaps it would be a good idea to blacklist Lauda, TMAN and owlcatz, considering they all were part of an extortion attempt....

I had no knowledge of it until after it happened. So... Sorry. BTW, It wasn't even real.

Anyhow, you are wrong and just butthurt like usual. Scammer.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Tomatocage

He excluded me from his trust list some months ago, and I don't even know the guy--much like zazarb.  Somehow I had a suspicion that the account might be compromised and I think it was discussed at one point.  In any case, don't count on me to do him any favors.

Hilariousandco:  Definitely yes.  I've already got him on my list.
SaltySpitoon:  Yes.  I don't know him at all, but I've read some of his recent posts and seems very level-headed and cogent.  An old-timer who used to be on DT1 who has no history of scamming?  That's a no-brainer.

The rest of them I'm not all that familiar with, except BadBear just by reputation and he's on my list as well.

Tomatoface is controlled by Quickseller. So fuck that guy....

That was my impression as well.

In a recent thread, I asked about whether adding Jet Cash to my trust list was a good idea or not, but after just reviewing it it looks like I already had him in there.  If anyone has any concerns about that, feel free to let me know but I think he deserves it.

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Edit - This is how he and OgNasty got me, Zepher, Tman excluded from DT2 overnight about a year ago, the same day We ALL gave OG a bunch of shit!!! ....

Yeah, and me as well if I'm not mistaken.  I was on DT for something like 3 weeks then got excluded by either OgNasty or Tomatocage, but it was the latter that had me a bit puzzled.  He hadn't even been active for a while before coming out of the woodwork to exclude me from his trust list and apparently you and the above members as well, though I don't recall that.  I found that not just a little strange, but very strange.

[owlcatz]

Tomatocage

He excluded me from his trust list some months ago, and I don't even know the guy--much like zazarb.  Somehow I had a suspicion that the account might be compromised and I think it was discussed at one point.  In any case, don't count on me to do him any favors.

Hilariousandco:  Definitely yes.  I've already got him on my list.
SaltySpitoon:  Yes.  I don't know him at all, but I've read some of his recent posts and seems very level-headed and cogent.  An old-timer who used to be on DT1 who has no history of scamming?  That's a no-brainer.

The rest of them I'm not all that familiar with, except BadBear just by reputation and he's on my list as well.

Tomatoface is controlled by Quickseller. So fuck that guy....

Edit - This is how he and OgNasty got me, Zepher, Tman excluded from DT2 overnight about a year ago, the same day We ALL gave OG a bunch of shit!!! ....

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I think hilarious is a no-brainer for DT1, unless there is a perceived conflict of interest with his moderation position.
philipma1957 is one of the most valuable members of the forum imo, whether that makes him DT1 material is another matter.
Tomatocage no. That "room mate" routine he pulled was a piss take.

[suchmoon]

I definitely feel like hilarious, Salty and BadBear should be getting back, the others I don't know that well to comment. Tomato however, feels iffy.

I have included those three and Philip as well.

[OgNasty]

Perhaps it would be a good idea to blacklist Lauda, TMAN and owlcatz, considering they all were part of an extortion attempt....

It is a bit amazing how confirmed documented scammers found their way into DT.  It caused me to be excluded from DT for previously pointing out their scams. Adjustments are obviously needed to the list, but I’m sure they will come with time, and hopefully before more scams are carried out by these users. They very obviously belong nowhere near any sort of trust list.

Unless major problems come up, I'm going to reconstruct DT1 again using the published criteria on Monday, so set up your trust lists before then. After that I'll probably switch to doing it near the beginning of each month.

Any new system has growing pains. While I believe today’s change empowered a lot of nefarious users who have been trying to manipulate the trust system for a long time, and thus had a head start on these custom trust lists, I have faith the issues will be worked through in time. Thanks for working on this theymos and willingly reducing your control of the system in the name of decentralization.

[cryptohunter]

Perhaps it would be a good idea to blacklist Lauda, TMAN and owlcatz, considering they all were part of an extortion attempt....

It is a bit amazing how confirmed documented scammers found their way into DT.  It caused me to be excluded from DT for previously pointing out their scams. Adjustments are obviously needed to the list, but I’m sure they will come with time, and hopefully before more scams are carried out by these users. They very obviously belong nowhere near any sort of trust list.

Unless major problems come up, I'm going to reconstruct DT1 again using the published criteria on Monday, so set up your trust lists before then. After that I'll probably switch to doing it near the beginning of each month.

Any new system has growing pains. While I believe today’s change empowered a lot of nefarious users who have been trying to manipulate the trust system for a long time, and thus had a head start on these custom trust lists, I have faith the issues will be worked through in time. Thanks for working on this theymos and willingly reducing your control of the system in the name of decentralization.

Even if the algo is going to work long term there is no reason that these ones can not be blacklisted immediately before further damage is done.

Any DT not removing them at once is actually part of the issue and needs removing.

Let's have a clean out.

[Hhampuz]

I definitely feel like hilarious, Salty and BadBear should be getting back, the others I don't know that well to comment. Tomato however, feels iffy.

I have included those three and Philip as well.

That's great. Looking at it I didn't have BadBear on my list, won't have much effect in the whole with me adding him but he is someone that I'd trust although I've never had any real interaction with him. There's actually a few people I've added to my list that I've never met or spoken to but they do good stuff here at the forum which gives me peace of mind.

[cryptohunter]

Perhaps it would be a good idea to blacklist Lauda, TMAN and owlcatz, considering they all were part of an extortion attempt....

I had no knowledge of it until after it happened. So... Sorry. BTW, It wasn't even real.

Anyhow, you are wrong and just butthurt like usual. Scammer.

LOL cool story bro

Get these scum bags out ffs. They make a mockery of anything related to being trustworthy.

Also where are the details of this?

Present the evidence and perhaps some DT members will do the responsible thing.

This is a seperate issue to the scam promoting and protecting and issue claiming 3000btc escrow funds being misused for personal gains?

Obviously not the pharmacist because he already told me

I don't understand if lauda is a scammer or not since I do not have the technical knowledge to analyse the observable events...but I support him anyway out of loyalty ..... LOL haha yeah another good one for DT

DT is Default Trust right? not Devious Traitors , Dishonest Turds?  Perhaps green is signalling danger? I had it all wrong?

I mean when scam highlighters and  fighters get more and more red from those same scam pumpers and protectors he fought and brought attention to you know the system is kind of malfunctioning right now.

[suchmoon]

I have a somewhat tangential request... please everyone let's try to maintain some order in Meta and Reputation. Please report any threads about individual members to be moved to Reputation and merged into no more than one per member, and any generic DT complaints - just merge them into one or smth, plus there is this thread already. I don't know if moderators will agree but let's just try. Otherwise this will be 10x worse than newbie merit invasion.

A'ight, fair enough.  I had to respond to Og's post, though.

This thread is fine, I'm more worried to wake up to 20 new Lauda threads tomorrow

[The Sceptical Chymist]

It caused me to be excluded from DT for previously pointing out their scams.

And you excluded me from your trust list because of what, again?  I think your stated reason was that I was picking on newbies or something like that, something completely unrelated to ever scamming anyone.  I've never had any beef with you except for that, which caused me to be booted from DT2 the first time I got added.  I think we disagree over Quickseller's 'self-escrow' thing, but the real reason I'm pretty sure is that you think I'm on the wrong side of the OgNasty/Lauda squabble.  It's more of a feud, actually, and I want no part of it.  

I have a feeling you'll get back on DT again anyway.  I'd almost be willing to bet money on it (but I'm currently broke).

please everyone let's try to maintain some order in Meta and Reputation.

A'ight, fair enough.  I had to respond to Og's post, though.

[cryptohunter]

I have a somewhat tangential request... please everyone let's try to maintain some order in Meta and Reputation. Please report any threads about individual members to be moved to Reputation and merged into no more than one per member, and any generic DT complaints - just merge them into one or smth, plus there is this thread already. I don't know if moderators will agree but let's just try. Otherwise this will be 10x worse than newbie merit invasion.

Suchmoon are you by your own definition a scammer? Because I just want to ask you before I demonstrate using your own criteria for scammer that I think you may be. I mean I want you to answer first. Then I provide your own quotes to demonstrate why you by your own words define yourself as a scammer. Unless of course you are about to strike lauda off your DT list.

Yep bury all FACTS about scammers infesting DT in rep where they can easily be ignored.

As DT why are you not explaining why you are not voting lauda out at once .... do you support/enable scammers? answer me coward

I thought you said those supporting or enabling scammers are scammers themselves?  are you a scammer then suchmoon?

[stompix]

Oh, so this is the reason we have three topics mentioning Lauda bumped or created today....

Otherwise this will be 10x worse than newbie merit invasion.

Newbies spammed he section for a few months each time, people involved in the DT war are holding grudges for years.
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Grabbing some popcorn and subscribing to Tman's list, I'm in the mood for some picturesque descriptions of human and not only interactions:

[cryptohunter]

Oh, so this is the reason we have three topics mentioning Lauda bumped or created today....

Otherwise this will be 10x worse than newbie merit invasion.

Newbies spammed he section for a few months each time, people involved in the DT war are holding grudges for years.
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Grabbing some popcorn and subscribing to Tman's list, I'm in the mood for some picturesque descriptions of human and not only interactions:

Not about opinons and grudges I'm afraid.

Its about observable factual events demonstrating scam pumping protecting and enabling and other abuse

I notice lauda tried to remove this abuse today all of a sudden

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2945878.msg49144312#msg49144312

look who immediately pop up to merit the guy for being grateful the abuse ended.

Yes the pharmacist Who claims in public he is unable to decide if lauda is a scammer or not but will support him anyway for DT because he feels he is loyal to him.
WTF? and this clown is DT too.

[OgNasty]

It caused me to be excluded from DT for previously pointing out their scams.

And you excluded me from your trust list because of what, again?

I excluded you because your ratings are shit. Didn’t you trust aTriz as he was scamming everyone with lies and fake ICOs?  Now you have Lauda who is a documented extortionist included in your trust network... You’re a good example of a user who should be blacklisted... Your judgement is awful.

[suchmoon]

Does someone have a quick way to find out who's been removed from DT1?

Sounds like a job for LoyceV!

That's sorted out but there's still a challenge for LoyceV: get a list of removed DT2 members. I know the whole DT concept is now going to be more fluid so we shouldn't be too fixated on the old system but still I'd like to know if there are any worthy former members who ended up not included in the new system.

[cryptohunter]

Does someone have a quick way to find out who's been removed from DT1?

Sounds like a job for LoyceV!

That's sorted out but there's still a challenge for LoyceV: get a list of removed DT2 members. I know the whole DT concept is now going to be more fluid so we shouldn't be too fixated on the old system but still I'd like to know if there are any worthy members who ended up not included in the new system.

Is this not like proof of total collusion for a start? I mean is this how it is really meant to work?
So we will work hard now to get back in the ones we want that the algo got out but we will not do anything to get rid of scam pumpers that just got put back in??

Or am I getting that all wrong? is that not what is happening?


I think you missed my question suchmoon?

Can you tell me by your prior definition that is in your post history are you a scammer or not?

Please answer because it seems like you are unwilling to.

Are you trying to get lauda off of DT or leaving him on. Because if you are leaving him on then by your own publicly available definition you are a scammer.

Are you a scammer now? I just want to know how to address you in future.

Remember promoting or enabling scammers or scams makes you a scammer. Remember you said that the other day?

Are you pro lauda being on DT or not? if so then you are a scammer. I hope you understand I can clearly prove it according to your own definition.

oh hold on suchmoon you are a scammer by your very own definition. I hope you will accept me addressing you as suchscamoon

Laudas support group ??

TMAN -reported to be in a scam with lauda and owlcatz
Blazed
suchmoon (*suchscamoon) a self diagnosed scammer
owlcatz - reported to be in a scam with lauda and tman
JohnUser - only trusted by Lauda and owlcatz HMMMM
BitcoinPenny
The Pharmacist - but he says in his post history does not know if lauda is a scammer or not but will support him out of loyalty anyway...sounds like a good plan???

hmmmm well I see TMAN, THE PHARMACIST OWLCATZ  SUCHMOON  JohnUser that is only there because of owlcatz and lauda lol


So let's break this down

TMAN and OWLcats = are they  part of the same apparent scam as Lauda? the extortion one?

Johnuser = only there because of owlcatz and lauda lol

The pharmacist  says I don't know if lauda is a scammer or not but I will support him because I am his loyal bitch anyway.

Suchmoon = well he is now looking like a total scammer by his own definition of a scammer and the same criteria he has used to justify leaving the red scam tags on many people

never heard of the others.

This looks like a very bad start indeed to DT.

I am getting more trustworthy by the second with my red trust coming from this exact group of dirty scamps.

I think I will send TRADEFORTRESS all my BTC to look after because I want it to be really safe and by the looks of his score and how DT works now I will be sure to find it not one satoshi short when I ask for it back in a few years.