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January 17, 2019, 08:56:49 PM
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a lot all of your feedbacks

Also the risked amounts don't seem to be credible.

Of course 50 risked BTC amount is not real but if you look at the 2013's post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=211858.msg2221664#msg2221664 :
"If you want to make a rating stronger, increase "Risked BTC". 50 extra risked BTC is equivalent to an additional rating."

I followed the rules and put 50 risked BTC to give a stronger rating. Other risked BTC amounts are 100% real!

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January 17, 2019, 09:05:08 PM
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My point is : mind your own business
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That is nonsense and doesn't work. If you are non-DT you can set your list to full of scammers if you wish, nobody should care. if you are DT, you affect everyone and thus are responsible for keeping a proper list. If you don't, then you should be willing to accept the consequences. Your post didn't need breaking down as it is just not worth it.
By what law are the last 2 users you discussed with coinlocket$ scammers?
Excluding someone from the trust list has nothing to do with someone being a scammer. You don't understand the basics, so please stop suggesting nonsense.

Thank you for your suggestion, I appreciate the commitment but I don't want to remove any feedbacks (even if the accounts are old and inactive). These are proofs that trade went well and some users could get irritated. I think I'm using the feedback system as it should be used: send feedbacks after trades and send feedback to users I really trust. There's no reason to remove feedbacks. Anyway, if any of the users in my list or in my sent feedback list do something wrong I'll be ready to remove them or leave a negative feedback. I feel responsible for my DT list and feedback list.
Dead user accounts with green trust pose a security risk; removing the rating is trivial if the transaction isn't really significant/rating isn't important.

Why should extend our exclusion list if we can solve issue by discussion. Is it better just kick out some one without any explanation? I don't think so. Those are new they can learn from here and they can motivate themselves.  

Yes. I'd really prefer not to have a trust list with several hundred excluded users.

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January 17, 2019, 09:25:43 PM
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Of course 50 risked BTC amount is not real but if you look at the 2013's post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=211858.msg2221664#msg2221664 :
"If you want to make a rating stronger, increase "Risked BTC". 50 extra risked BTC is equivalent to an additional rating."

I followed the rules and put 50 risked BTC to give a stronger rating. Other risked BTC amounts are 100% real!

I don't think that's valid anymore. The current system scores all ratings equally but the fake amount stands out to other users looking at it.

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January 17, 2019, 10:14:10 PM
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a lot all of your feedbacks

Also the risked amounts don't seem to be credible.

Of course 50 risked BTC amount is not real but if you look at the 2013's post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=211858.msg2221664#msg2221664 :
"If you want to make a rating stronger, increase "Risked BTC". 50 extra risked BTC is equivalent to an additional rating."

I followed the rules and put 50 risked BTC to give a stronger rating. Other risked BTC amounts are 100% real!

This is a perfect example of the arbitrary enforcement of rules around here. If there is not a clearly defined set of rules, then even people who want to cooperate have no idea what they can and can't be doing. If there is no rule of "law" so to speak, then those in charge systematically debase their own authority. For some people apparently chaos is opportunity though...
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January 17, 2019, 10:15:45 PM
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So I spoked to them and I removed them to my trust list, there is no point to include them if you are going to exclude them, but I will probably add them back soon or later when/if they will start to use the feedback system in a better way.
Also, I'm updating my normal trust list and exclusion list.


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January 17, 2019, 10:34:29 PM
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So I spoked to them and I removed them to my trust list, there is no point to include them if you are going to exclude them, but I will probably add them back soon or later when/if they will start to use the feedback system in a better way.
Also, I'm updating my normal trust list and exclusion list.

I believe that the function of the DT2 is exposing the scammers and leave feedbacks, would be something like forum police, so if you see that person does not have the habit of exposing scammers the best thing you can do is not add that person. Add people who are active exposing scammers, of course you should choose people who have ethics.


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January 17, 2019, 10:43:19 PM
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I believe that the function of the DT2 is exposing the scammers and leave feedbacks, would be something like forum police, so if you see that person does not have the habit of exposing scammers the best thing you can do is not add that person. Add people who are active exposing scammers, of course you should choose people who have ethics.

I understand this point of view, believe me but we need to know what theymos wants from the new trust system if he wants a bigger network with all trustworthy people on it or if he wants only who is very active and "works" for the community.


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I believe that the function of the DT2 is exposing the scammers and leave feedbacks, would be something like forum police, so if you see that person does not have the habit of exposing scammers the best thing you can do is not add that person. Add people who are active exposing scammers, of course you should choose people who have ethics.

I understand this point of view, believe me but we need to know what theymos wants from the new trust system if he wants a bigger network with all trustworthy people on it or if he wants only who "works with no payment" for the community.

I think what he wants is to not be the one to decide.  He's putting systems in place so that the community can be the decider of what we want from the trust system.


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January 18, 2019, 05:33:37 AM
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I’ve spent some time in the local language sections and I am struggling to find members who are active with trust who I would feel comfortable adding to my list, after the Russian debacle I do feel that the foreign language guys do deserve representation on DT-2 but it is hard with language  and cultural  differences to identify reliable candidates, does anyone here know of decent members who I should be adding?

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January 18, 2019, 07:58:58 AM
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Not sure about other languages but the new system automatically made a few German and french members part of DT (myself included).

Communities should build their own list and "make" their own DTs.

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January 18, 2019, 08:00:34 AM
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Not sure about other languages but the new system automatically made a few German and french members part of DT (myself included).

Communities should build their own list and "make" their own DTs.
As long as you don't try to collude or abuse it in any way, that is the intended behavior of the new system!

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January 18, 2019, 08:05:19 AM
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that is the intended behavior of the new system!

That's kinda why I answered this to TMAN Wink

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January 18, 2019, 08:08:41 AM
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that is the intended behavior of the new system!

That's kinda why I answered this to TMAN Wink

All good and well in a closed community - but as soon as they venture outside of the local sections then it is a free for all, especially when as in the case of the Russian section they are excluding the most prolific trust senders on the forum. I would love to back some of the local sections that are not represented on DT-2 and have started a thread for it in Rep https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5098962.0 - I totally understand how own trust lists are so important, but its the newbies who will get taken advantage of if its not handled correctly.

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All good and well in a closed community - but as soon as they venture outside of the local sections then it is a free for all, especially when as in the case of the Russian section they are excluding the most prolific trust senders on the forum. I would love to back some of the local sections that are not represented on DT-2 and have started a thread for it in Rep https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5098962.0

I hear you!

Really nice initiative. Will have a look.

just wanted to give some feedback that it worked out pretty well in the french & german sections (in my opinion at least).

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This has probably been asked a dozen times before, but i am wondering where i can see who included/excluded me in their trust lists. Is this even possible?

Best i can find is; https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dtview

but that only shows DT1 (?)

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January 18, 2019, 11:05:56 AM
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but that only shows DT1 (?)

Exactly. There are only DT1 ratings.

You can find here for all view who have exclude or include you :  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;full it's real time update.

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This has probably been asked a dozen times before, but i am wondering where i can see who included/excluded me in their trust lists. Is this even possible?

Best i can find is; https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dtview

but that only shows DT1 (?)
Use this: https://fusiontables.google.com/data?docid=1juCTvnPsvC4ZQqJsYp3DAPrpjJKKK2JE6TTYtTB6#rows:id=1

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Worth mentioning that this tool is based on the trust dump (available here: https://bitcointalk.org/trust.txt.xz) which is updated once a week on Saturday. So that tool shows the state of the trust network as of last Saturday, and any change made since then (which is probably quite a lot) will not be reflected until the new trust dump tomorrow.

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This has probably been asked a dozen times before, but i am wondering where i can see who included/excluded me in their trust lists. Is this even possible?

Best i can find is; https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dtview

but that only shows DT1 (?)

If you go here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;full;dt then (to me) you appear included on Dark Star_ list with a net (1) rating which puts you on DT2.
Get this confirmed by someone that knows what they're talking about before you go and paint the town red  Wink



Edit after o_e_l_e_o's reply
Although I don't think that exactly answers your question; I know of no way to check whether you or I or anyone is included or excluded by members who are not currently on DT and therefore currently don't "matter".

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Get this confirmed by someone that knows what they're talking about before you go and paint the town red  Wink

You are correct. You can also double check by going to any profile you have left trust to, switching to default trust view by adding ";dt" at the end of the URL, and seeing if your name appears under the "Trusted feedback" section. Example: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=911719;dt

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