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January 10, 2019, 02:42:32 AM
Last edit: January 10, 2019, 03:41:14 AM by cryptohunter
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Does someone have a quick way to find out who's been removed from DT1?

Sounds like a job for LoyceV!

That's sorted out but there's still a challenge for LoyceV: get a list of removed DT2 members. I know the whole DT concept is now going to be more fluid so we shouldn't be too fixated on the old system but still I'd like to know if there are any worthy members who ended up not included in the new system.

Is this not like proof of total collusion for a start? I mean is this how it is really meant to work?
So we will work hard now to get back in the ones we want that the algo got out but we will not do anything to get rid of scam pumpers that just got put back in??

Or am I getting that all wrong? is that not what is happening?


I think you missed my question suchmoon?

Can you tell me by your prior definition that is in your post history are you a scammer or not?

Please answer because it seems like you are unwilling to.

Are you trying to get lauda off of DT or leaving him on. Because if you are leaving him on then by your own publicly available definition you are a scammer.

Are you a scammer now? I just want to know how to address you in future.

Remember promoting or enabling scammers or scams makes you a scammer. Remember you said that the other day?

Are you pro lauda being on DT or not? if so then you are a scammer. I hope you understand I can clearly prove it according to your own definition.

oh hold on suchmoon you are a scammer by your very own definition. I hope you will accept me addressing you as suchscamoon

Laudas support group ??

TMAN -reported to be in a scam with lauda and owlcatz
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suchmoon (*suchscamoon) a self diagnosed scammer
owlcatz - reported to be in a scam with lauda and tman
JohnUser - only trusted by Lauda and owlcatz HMMMM
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The Pharmacist - but he says in his post history does not know if lauda is a scammer or not but will support him out of loyalty anyway...sounds like a good plan???

hmmmm well I see TMAN, THE PHARMACIST OWLCATZ  SUCHMOON  JohnUser that is only there because of owlcatz and lauda lol


So let's break this down

TMAN and OWLcats = are they  part of the same apparent scam as Lauda? the extortion one?

Johnuser = only there because of owlcatz and lauda lol

The pharmacist  says I don't know if lauda is a scammer or not but I will support him because I am his loyal bitch anyway.

Suchmoon = well he is now looking like a total scammer by his own definition of a scammer and the same criteria he has used to justify leaving the red scam tags on many people

never heard of the others.

This looks like a very bad start indeed to DT.

I am getting more trustworthy by the second with my red trust coming from this exact group of dirty scamps.

I think I will send TRADEFORTRESS all my BTC to look after because I want it to be really safe and by the looks of his score and how DT works now I will be sure to find it not one satoshi short when I ask for it back in a few years.

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January 10, 2019, 02:56:51 AM
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Does someone have a quick way to find out who's been removed from DT1?

Sounds like a job for LoyceV!

That's sorted out but there's still a challenge for LoyceV: get a list of removed DT2 members. I know the whole DT concept is now going to be more fluid so we shouldn't be too fixated on the old system but still I'd like to know if there are any worthy former members who ended up not included in the new system.

After briefly looking through the DT list I see that most people that were already there still are, but obviously I don't remember all of them and there's surely a few missing. LoyceV is good at what he does though so I'm sure he'll have a list for us sooner or later Cheesy

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January 10, 2019, 03:07:47 AM
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I excluded you because your ratings are shit. Didnít you trust aTriz as he was scamming everyone with lies and fake ICOs?  Now you have Lauda who is a documented extortionist included in your trust network... Youíre a good example of a user who should be blacklisted... Your judgement is awful.
Yeah, OK.  You excluded me from your trust list when?  It was on or before 2/10/18, because that's when I got booted off DT2 the first time I was on it.  Can't remember if it was you or Tomatocage's exclusion that did it. 

When did the aTriz scam get discovered?  Oh yeah, it was around April:

Looks like aTriz started the ANN thread.  Maybe start asking questions there.

So aTriz had nothing to do with it.  It's not about me abusing newbies and discouraging their progress on the forum as you first claimed.  It's about Lauda and nothing else, and you were never honest about that. 

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January 10, 2019, 03:11:10 AM
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Now, the dt list is start to dynamically changing due to inclusions and exclusions in their individual trust list, zazarb is removed out of dt1, tomatocage too in dt2, and many others has added.

I still discourage retaliatory ratings
By any chance, is there any punishment to those who are confirmed doing this? Or just removing in the list, and will not be added after all. Or?

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January 10, 2019, 03:15:44 AM
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I excluded you because your ratings are shit. Didnít you trust aTriz as he was scamming everyone with lies and fake ICOs?  Now you have Lauda who is a documented extortionist included in your trust network... Youíre a good example of a user who should be blacklisted... Your judgement is awful.
Yeah, OK.  You excluded me from your trust list when?  It was on or before 2/10/18, because that's when I got booted off DT2 the first time I was on it.  Can't remember if it was you or Tomatocage's exclusion that did it.  

When did the aTriz scam get discovered?  Oh yeah, it was around April:

Looks like aTriz started the ANN thread.  Maybe start asking questions there.

So aTriz had nothing to do with it.  It's not about me abusing newbies and discouraging their progress on the forum as you first claimed.  It's about Lauda and nothing else, and you were never honest about that.  

You do abuse newbies I just posted the link

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5063753.0

You said you are unsure if lauda is a scammer or not yourself LOL  but will support him anyway because you are his bitch
You can't support people to be mods or DT if you are unsure if they are scammers you dumb sap

How did a nothing burger like you get on DT and Merit source anyway.

Who first voted the pharmacist on to DT ?  was lauda involved by any chance???
was owlcatz or tman involved?  maybe even suchmoon?

what kind of dirty schemers are we uncovering here now we start to look back at things because it is quite worrying.

Don't play that bumbling nice guy.... you are an evil little tyrant when you think you can push newbies about. I have no clue how someone as clearly stupid as you has even got into these positions. Lauda is a scam pumping devious schemer so I am not shocked that is infesting all kinds of positions. You are obviously his dumb puppet like Tman and owlcatz. Time for a blacklist on any shady characters.

A full analysis of entire post histories and connections between them should be done. Freeze their accounts whilst we examine them

Suchmoon too if he continues to be a scammer by his own definition of a scammer.

These are not spurious accusations. I can back anything I say with corroborating events or clear evidence in their post histories. Freeze their histories for close inspection now. Then we will take a look through them together.


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January 10, 2019, 03:24:35 AM
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It caused me to be excluded from DT for previously pointing out their scams.
And you excluded me from your trust list because of what, again?

I excluded you because your ratings are shit. Didnít you trust aTriz as he was scamming everyone with lies and fake ICOs?  Now you have Lauda who is a documented extortionist included in your trust network... Youíre a good example of a user who should be blacklisted... Your judgement is awful.

Since you didnít answer... Yes, you trusted aTriz as he pulled ICO scams alongside Lauda using their shared brand. Not only did you trust someone actively scamming, you then added his partner to your trust network where he sits today even after being a major part of another ICO scam and refusing to be transparent with his escrow duties. Horrible judgement or nefarious support of a scam ring? Either way, you donít deserve to be in a position of having your opinions valued. That should be obvious, so Iím at a loss for how this community wants to move forward in establishing a trustworthy trust rating system while putting people like you in positions of trust.

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January 10, 2019, 03:26:51 AM
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By any chance, is there any punishment to those who are confirmed doing this? Or just removing in the list, and will not be added after all. Or?

I think we're supposed to police ourselves. Keep in mind that if you have at least 10 earned merits (which you do) your vote matters. Keep your list up to date, include/exclude users based on how you value their judgement. Theymos can blacklist but I would imagine that will be rare.

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January 10, 2019, 03:35:52 AM
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By any chance, is there any punishment to those who are confirmed doing this? Or just removing in the list, and will not be added after all. Or?

I think we're supposed to police ourselves. Keep in mind that if you have at least 10 earned merits (which you do) your vote matters. Keep your list up to date, include/exclude users based on how you value their judgement.

What you think is no longer important Suchscamoon.

Nobody needs to listen to you any longer because you are a self diagnosed scammer.

Deny it ??  or accept it?

You are a scammer protector and enabler. Now you too are a scammer? can you red trust yourself please so you are not a provable hypocrite.

Or explain your actions



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Since you didnít answer...
I did answer.  You excluded me in February 2018.  When did the aTriz stuff come to light?  What was your original reason for justifying excluding me from your trust list?  It certainly wasn't that.  You're making up reasons after the fact.

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Since you didnít answer...
I did answer.  You excluded me in February 2018.  When did the aTriz stuff come to light?  What was your original reason for justifying excluding me from your trust list?  It certainly wasn't that.  You're making up reasons after the fact.

Who originally voted you on DT?

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Since you didnít answer...
I did answer.  You excluded me in February 2018.  When did the aTriz stuff come to light?  What was your original reason for justifying excluding me from your trust list?  It certainly wasn't that.  You're making up reasons after the fact.

Here it is: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2881533.msg30244238#msg30244238

Nothing about aTriz as far as I can see.

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Since you didnít answer...
I did answer.  You excluded me in February 2018.  When did the aTriz stuff come to light?  What was your original reason for justifying excluding me from your trust list?  It certainly wasn't that.  You're making up reasons after the fact.

Here it is: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2881533.msg30244238#msg30244238

Nothing about aTriz as far as I can see.

As stated, the aTriz scam was exposed after that. How could I have used it as a reference beforehand? Had he not already been identified as someone with horrible judgement, the aTriz support while he was scamming would have done it. Donít get mad at me that heís continued to add to his list of shady behavior even after I excluded him...

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As stated, the aTriz scam was exposed after that. How could I have used it as a reference beforehand? Had he not already been identified as someone with horrible judgement, the aTriz support while he was scamming would have done it. Donít get mad at me that heís continued to add to his list of shady behavior even after I excluded him...

I'm not mad at you, I'm just not trusting you for your ever-shifting excuses. If this was a single occurrence I'd call it a difference of opinions and leave it at that. But you seem to have misused DT ratings and exclusions more than once. For example you neg-trusted a user for posting in your thread, accused of buying the account, and refused to remove the rating even after the user proved otherwise. How many times did you edit that rating to change the narrative?

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As stated, the aTriz scam was exposed after that. How could I have used it as a reference beforehand? Had he not already been identified as someone with horrible judgement, the aTriz support while he was scamming would have done it. Donít get mad at me that heís continued to add to his list of shady behavior even after I excluded him...

I'm not mad at you, I'm just not trusting you for your ever-shifting excuses. If this was a single occurrence I'd call it a difference of opinions and leave it at that. But you seem to have misused DT ratings and exclusions more than once. For example you neg-trusted a user for posting in your thread, accused of buying the account, and refused to remove the rating even after the user proved otherwise. How many times did you edit that rating to change the narrative?

LOL. That user was threatening me for quite some time. I didnít make most of it public. Thereís no way Iíd ever remove that rating. Heís lucky I didnít call the police. He 100% deserved the rating he received and probably a lot more. Iíve gotten so many death threats from users here over the years, I donít even try to make them public as it would add to my workload. This is actually a good example of why TMAN shouldnít be in DT. He left that lunatic positive trust after he saw me being attacked by him. This is not what we want to see here at bitcointalk. So apparently attacking me is reason enough to earn default trust from TMAN now... Definitely some adjustments need to be made.

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LOL. That user was threatening me for quite some time. I didnít make most of it public. Thereís no way Iíd ever remove that rating. Heís lucky I didnít call the police. He 100% deserved the rating he received and probably a lot more. Iíve gotten so many death threats from users here over the years, I donít even try to make them public as it would add to my workload. This is actually a good example of why TMAN shouldnít be in DT. He left that lunatic positive trust after he saw me being attacked by him. This is not what we want to see here at bitcointalk. So apparently attacking me is reason enough to earn default trust from TMAN now... Definitely some adjustments need to be made.

There you go. A reason #6 in addition to 5 specious reasons you put in the trust feedback. Exactly my point. You're just making it up as you go.

Just like your ratings for Frij and owlcatz evolved from mere disagreements or misunderstandings to full blown scam accusations.

HabBear was another one that you neg-trusted basically for a post you disliked. That has been removed, so well done. Feel free to rethink your other thin-skinned ratings and exclusions now that you have some free time off DT.

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LOL. That user was threatening me for quite some time. I didnít make most of it public. Thereís no way Iíd ever remove that rating. Heís lucky I didnít call the police. He 100% deserved the rating he received and probably a lot more. Iíve gotten so many death threats from users here over the years, I donít even try to make them public as it would add to my workload. This is actually a good example of why TMAN shouldnít be in DT. He left that lunatic positive trust after he saw me being attacked by him. This is not what we want to see here at bitcointalk. So apparently attacking me is reason enough to earn default trust from TMAN now... Definitely some adjustments need to be made.

There you go. A reason #6 in addition to 5 specious reasons you put in the trust feedback. Exactly my point. You're just making it up as you go.

Just like your ratings for Frij and owlcatz evolved from mere disagreements or misunderstandings to full blown scam accusations.

HabBear was another one that you neg-trusted basically for a post you disliked. That has been removed, so well done. Feel free to rethink your other thin-skinned ratings and exclusions now that you have some free time off DT.

Yeah pretty much... he can pm me for talking about removing the negs, but he never will. he's like Trump... Double down....  Roll Eyes
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LOL. That user was threatening me for quite some time. I didnít make most of it public. Thereís no way Iíd ever remove that rating. Heís lucky I didnít call the police. He 100% deserved the rating he received and probably a lot more. Iíve gotten so many death threats from users here over the years, I donít even try to make them public as it would add to my workload. This is actually a good example of why TMAN shouldnít be in DT. He left that lunatic positive trust after he saw me being attacked by him. This is not what we want to see here at bitcointalk. So apparently attacking me is reason enough to earn default trust from TMAN now... Definitely some adjustments need to be made.

There you go. A reason #6 in addition to 5 specious reasons you put in the trust feedback. Exactly my point. You're just making it up as you go.

Just like your ratings for Frij and owlcatz evolved from mere disagreements or misunderstandings to full blown scam accusations.

HabBear was another one that you neg-trusted basically for a post you disliked. That has been removed, so well done. Feel free to rethink your other thin-skinned ratings and exclusions now that you have some free time off DT.

Again, youíre mad at me because these people have done so much shady activity? Iím only allowed to pick one? The fact there are 6 reasons for someone to get excluded from my trust network or given negative feedback is not a good thing... HabBear asked me to reconsider his trust rating and admitted he made a mistake so I removed his rating. I did the same thing for minerjones after he was caught letting TMAN manipulate an auction and doxxed canaryinthemine. When people act reasonably, I respond reasonably. You might say Iím a reasonable person.

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As stated, the aTriz scam was exposed after that. How could I have used it as a reference beforehand? Had he not already been identified as someone with horrible judgement, the aTriz support while he was scamming would have done it. Donít get mad at me that heís continued to add to his list of shady behavior even after I excluded him...

I'm not mad at you, I'm just not trusting you for your ever-shifting excuses. If this was a single occurrence I'd call it a difference of opinions and leave it at that. But you seem to have misused DT ratings and exclusions more than once. For example you neg-trusted a user for posting in your thread, accused of buying the account, and refused to remove the rating even after the user proved otherwise. How many times did you edit that rating to change the narrative?

LOL. That user was threatening me for quite some time. I didnít make most of it public. Thereís no way Iíd ever remove that rating. Heís lucky I didnít call the police. He 100% deserved the rating he received and probably a lot more. Iíve gotten so many death threats from users here over the years, I donít even try to make them public as it would add to my workload. This is actually a good example of why TMAN shouldnít be in DT. He left that lunatic positive trust after he saw me being attacked by him. This is not what we want to see here at bitcointalk.

Is this what we want to see? https://imgur.com/a/BvLLC (album).

You trying to bully me into thinking everything is as you say it is? Someone in a position of power threatening to destroy my business due to the friends I keep?

But hey, tell me again how dumb I am while you've had the most "accurate opinion" over the last 8 years? (However that works).

To be honest, the day you are back on DT1 will be a sad day for this forum overall.

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As stated, the aTriz scam was exposed after that. How could I have used it as a reference beforehand? Had he not already been identified as someone with horrible judgement, the aTriz support while he was scamming would have done it. Donít get mad at me that heís continued to add to his list of shady behavior even after I excluded him...

I'm not mad at you, I'm just not trusting you for your ever-shifting excuses. If this was a single occurrence I'd call it a difference of opinions and leave it at that. But you seem to have misused DT ratings and exclusions more than once. For example you neg-trusted a user for posting in your thread, accused of buying the account, and refused to remove the rating even after the user proved otherwise. How many times did you edit that rating to change the narrative?

LOL. That user was threatening me for quite some time. I didnít make most of it public. Thereís no way Iíd ever remove that rating. Heís lucky I didnít call the police. He 100% deserved the rating he received and probably a lot more. Iíve gotten so many death threats from users here over the years, I donít even try to make them public as it would add to my workload. This is actually a good example of why TMAN shouldnít be in DT. He left that lunatic positive trust after he saw me being attacked by him. This is not what we want to see here at bitcointalk.

Is this what we want to see? https://imgur.com/a/BvLLC (album).

You trying to bully me into thinking everything is as you say it is? Someone in a position of power threatening to destroy my business due to the friends I keep?

But hey, tell me again how dumb I am while you've had the most "accurate opinion" over the last 8 years? (However that works).

To be honest, the day you are back on DT1 will be a sad day for this forum overall.

OK,
I'll tell you , Hhampuz  

You are an utter Dumbass.

That is the general consensus.

 Cool

I was Red Tagged because Lauda Blows Theymos to get back on DT
The rest are just lauda's personal butt monkeys=> Hhampuz , Vod, TMAN , achow101
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January 10, 2019, 04:47:48 AM
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As stated, the aTriz scam was exposed after that. How could I have used it as a reference beforehand? Had he not already been identified as someone with horrible judgement, the aTriz support while he was scamming would have done it. Donít get mad at me that heís continued to add to his list of shady behavior even after I excluded him...

I'm not mad at you, I'm just not trusting you for your ever-shifting excuses. If this was a single occurrence I'd call it a difference of opinions and leave it at that. But you seem to have misused DT ratings and exclusions more than once. For example you neg-trusted a user for posting in your thread, accused of buying the account, and refused to remove the rating even after the user proved otherwise. How many times did you edit that rating to change the narrative?

LOL but you will trust lauda.........sounds reasonable Smiley  for a scammer.

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