DefaultTrust changes

[LFC_Bitcoin]

You can - https://bitcointalk.org/trust.txt.xz

This file contains a complete dump of all custom trust. It is updated every Saturday. x->y means x trusts y. x-/>y means x excludes y.

Just Ctrl+F search for your name.

LFC - you are trusted by jeremypwr, Joca97, Fakhoury, Don Pedro Dinero, Devawnm367, and you are excluded by EFS.

Thanks buddy, sent you 2 Merit’s. I have no fucking idea who EFS is
Was hoping more people would have me in their trust network to be honest

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[Lauda]

Was hoping more people would have me in their trust network to be honest

You have sent a very small number of ratings. Given that number, I'm actually surprised that so many people have added you TBH. Adding someone who sends almost no ratings (regardless of whether they are positive or negative) is pointless in my opinion.

[r1s2g3]

If I understood the system correctly, it means theymos is encouraging all of us to create our custom trust list.
I think he do not want to keep fix DT1 and DT2.

I think he might like to rotate the DT1 with this criteria. If DT1 will be rotated then DT2 will be automatically rotated.

#3
I will periodically (maybe every month) be reconstructing the default trust list to include everyone who matches these criteria:
 - If rank was determined solely using earned merit, then you must be of at least Member rank.
 - You must have been online sometime within the last 3 days.
 - Your trust list must include at least 10 users, not including ~distrust entries.
 - You must not be banned or manually blacklisted from selection.
 - You must have posted sometime within the last 30 days.
 - You must have at least 10 people directly trusting you each with an earned merit of at least 10, not including merit you yourself sent.
 - You must have at least 1 person directly trusting you with an earned merit of at least 100, not including merit you yourself sent.

Correct me If I am wrong.

[cryptohunter]

Was hoping more people would have me in their trust network to be honest

You have sent a very small number of ratings. Given that number, I'm actually surprised that so many people have added you TBH. Adding someone who sends almost no ratings (regardless of whether they are positive or negative) is pointless in my opinion.

But in your opinion scams are to be enabled and protected ?

I'm shocked anyone added you except the obvious ass kissers you got on DT in the first place for that exact reason.

Why would your opinion be valid with regards a trust system? seems almost ludicrous.

If you deny this is the case ask me know to provide information and I will.

[r1s2g3]

Thanks buddy, sent you 2 Merit’s. I have no fucking idea who EFS is

He is moderator of the turkish board, never saw him posting in any English board as per my memory recalls.

[Findingnemo]

If I understood the system correctly, it means theymos is encouraging all of us to create our custom trust list.
I think he do not want to keep fix DT1 and DT2.

I think he might like to rotate the DT1 with this criteria. If DT1 will be rotated then DT2 will be automatically rotated.

#3
I will periodically (maybe every month) be reconstructing the default trust list to include everyone who matches these criteria:
 - If rank was determined solely using earned merit, then you must be of at least Member rank.
 - You must have been online sometime within the last 3 days.
 - Your trust list must include at least 10 users, not including ~distrust entries.
 - You must not be banned or manually blacklisted from selection.
 - You must have posted sometime within the last 30 days.
 - You must have at least 10 people directly trusting you each with an earned merit of at least 10, not including merit you yourself sent.
 - You must have at least 1 person directly trusting you with an earned merit of at least 100, not including merit you yourself sent.

Correct me If I am wrong.

Yes,he don't want to stick with only some members since people calling them as gang so he (theymos) really wanted to introduce decentralization into the bitcointalk forum as well.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

Thanks buddy, sent you 2 Merit’s. I have no fucking idea who EFS is

He is moderator of the turkish board, never saw him posting in any English board as per my memory recalls.

I PM’d him & asked him why he excluded me from his trust list -

I don't remember. I don't know you and I don't have any problem.

Fucking stupid if you ask me.
Maybe I pissed him off predicting a Turkish football team to lose in the gambling section

[mOgliE]

Ahahahahah

I like it, you don't change by small paces do you? 

Well anyway I think it's more linked to the first idea of Trust system: to build your own.
Anyone can get hacked, anyone can have a sudden change of mind when big coins are on the balance.

This is a good way to clearly state on the whole forum "DT is NOT safe, DT is a tool but you're the one responsible for keeping your trades safe".

Thumbs up.

[hilariousandco]

You can - https://bitcointalk.org/trust.txt.xz

This file contains a complete dump of all custom trust. It is updated every Saturday. x->y means x trusts y. x-/>y means x excludes y.

Just Ctrl+F search for your name.

LFC - you are trusted by jeremypwr, Joca97, Fakhoury, Don Pedro Dinero, Devawnm367, and you are excluded by EFS.

Thanks buddy, sent you 2 Merit’s. I have no fucking idea who EFS is
Was hoping more people would have me in their trust network to be honest

EFS is the Turkish mod. He can be very petty sometimes and you probably just said something he (or his alts) didn't like at one point. Just check his trust list and see who he's excluded as there's many very trusted users there. They're rarely based on actual trustworthiness but are just people he's had runs in before or have called him out on his lies or something else. As far as I recall he even exuded me right after I made this post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=970157.msg10679576#msg10679576 (so that tells you a lot about that situation). Darkstar and yahoo are also excluded and probably denied him or his alts from a campaign so on the naughty list you go.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

You can - https://bitcointalk.org/trust.txt.xz

This file contains a complete dump of all custom trust. It is updated every Saturday. x->y means x trusts y. x-/>y means x excludes y.

Just Ctrl+F search for your name.

LFC - you are trusted by jeremypwr, Joca97, Fakhoury, Don Pedro Dinero, Devawnm367, and you are excluded by EFS.

Thanks buddy, sent you 2 Merit’s. I have no fucking idea who EFS is
Was hoping more people would have me in their trust network to be honest

EFS is the Turkish mod. He can be very petty sometimes and you probably just said something he (or his alts) didn't like at one point. Just check his trust list and see who he's excluded as there's many very trusted users there. They're rarely based on actual trustworthiness but are just people he's had runs in before or have called him out on his lies or something else. As far as I recall he even exuded me right after I made this post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=970157.msg10679576#msg10679576 (so that tells you a lot about that situation). Darkstar and yahoo are also excluded and probably denied him or his alts from a campaign so on the naughty list you go.

Thanks for explaining buddy

Edit - He has removed me from his exclusion list - Well he told me that via PM

[Lauda]

If I understood the system correctly, it means theymos is encouraging all of us to create our custom trust list.

This was always the case due to abuse on both layers. Some people are ego-maniacs and very petty (I'm stealing this from hilarious) but the list remained mostly static.

EFS is the Turkish mod. He can be very petty sometimes and you probably just said something he (or his alts) didn't like at one point. Just check his trust list and see who he's excluded as there's many very trusted users there.

This is a valid reason to exclude him (plus the link that you've posted). He got off easy. People that have bad exclusions are likely to have bad judgement overall.

[Rambotnic]

Correct me if I am wrong here fellas, but if everyone creates their own custom trust lists Default Trust will have little to no meaning....

Well the default trust will alawys have some meaning, especially to the new members which don't know how to create their own.

[suchmoon]

New members of DT2, who were not in the "old" DT2 or DT1. No user ID on the trust page, so I couldn't create profile links, sorry. Please review and make adjustments if needed. This is based on coinlocket$'s snapshot of the old system vs the current DT2 list as of a few minutes ago. Things change quickly so feel free to yell at me if something is wrong.

A-10
aacoins
Adriano
Aerys2
Akka
alp
AltcoinSteps
Anduck
Anon11073
anonymousminer
asche
Astro
AT101ET
Barcode_
BG4
bill gator
BiPolarBob
BitcoinNewsMagazine
bittawm
Branduardi
buckrogers
Carlton Banks
Carra23
ChiBitCTy
chimk
Chris!
chronicsky
comit
Corrosive
cryptoheadd
cryptonic21
CydeWeys
DaveF
dazedfool
dbshck
DebitMe
digicoinuser
dolphriends
dozerz
eddie13
elianite
Ente
Entropy-uc
Eodguy149
ezeminer
F2b
Fattcatt
fhh
fluffypony
forrestv
Fortify
franckuestein
frankenmint
gocoins
guigui371
Gunthar
gwillen
Halab
HCP
hephaist0s
Hiroaki
Hox
hybridsole
IdiotCoder
iron77
Jet Cash
JoelKatz
Kialara
kingscrown
klaaas
kneim
Kryptowerk
Kushedout
LeGaulois
Lesbian Cow
m4nki
Matt Corallo
Meni Rosenfeld
micromen
midnightmagic
miffman
mike
mikeywith
minifrij
Minor Miner
Mister k
montreal
mrkent
MrLehmann
ndnh
ninjarobot
o_e_l_e_o
OmegaStarScream
Otoh
Pieter Wuille
Pistachio
pmorici
Poloherb
polymerbit
PsychoticBoy
Raoul Duke
rdponticelli
RealHummer
rickbig41
risho
romanornr
rusbitcoinuser
Saint-loup
saveawedge
SFR10
SgtSpike
Shitcointalk
SolarSilver
Spazzer
squall1066
ssateneth
start the art
Sylon
teeGUMES
TheAnalogKid
TheBanksLife
TheNewAnon135246
Ticked
tmfp
TommyBitcoin
tothemoonsands
Tramirostronix
twbt
vanycon
vizique
Vladimir
welshcollectibles
wheelz1200
WOLTAN78
Xal0lex
xhomerx10
Xprim777
yakuza699
yogg
zefir
zekoroger
Zepher
ZipReg

[Lauda]

New users in DT2, who were not in the "old" DT2 or DT1. No user ID on the trust page, so I couldn't create profile links, sorry. Please review and make adjustments if needed.
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Sylon

Yuck. Excluded; first name that popped up. It seems that some DT1 people still have unmaintained lists.

[mOgliE]

Correct me if I am wrong here fellas, but if everyone creates their own custom trust lists Default Trust will have little to no meaning....

Correct me if I am wrong here fellas, but that's exactly the goal. To see the DT as a tool for newbies that's all.

[S_Therapist]

Correct me if I am wrong here fellas, but if everyone creates their own custom trust lists Default Trust will have little to no meaning....

Well the default trust will alawys have some meaning, especially to the new members which don't know how to create their own.

It's not such a complex thing that a new member will not understand if he gives a try here. If a majority of the persons build a custom list, Dt will have a little value only. By the way, as per LoyceV, adding someone doesn't mean a trusted person rather a good habit of providing valid feedback. Again, most of the current DT members deserves to be in the custom list.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I added BadBear on depth 0, look how someone's reputation has changed:  
<snip>
Oh, and that someone is you!  

Explain to me what happened there?  I'm assuming he trusts someone who gave me a neg but don't know who.  I'm not even sure how to check BB's trust list without modifying my own.  Yep, ignorance at its finest and I've been here long enough that I should know this.

Edit:

It shouldn't matter to you. BadBear's list is likely unmaintained due to his inactivity.

Yeah, it's my fragile ego that's doing the wondering here.  

God knows how many accounts under him have already changed hands either sold or hacked.

Good idea, he's pruned from my list.

[Lauda]

I added BadBear on depth 0, look how someone's reputation has changed:  
<snip>
Oh, and that someone is you!  

Explain to me what happened there?  I'm assuming he trusts someone who gave me a neg but don't know who.  I'm not even sure how to check BB's trust list without modifying my own.  Yep, ignorance at its finest and I've been here long enough that I should know this.

It shouldn't matter to you. BadBear's list is likely unmaintained due to his inactivity.

[suchmoon]

Former members of DT (1 or 2), who are no longer included in the "new" DT or have been excluded. Please review and if you find someone worthy - include them.

aigeezer
alch1mista
allinvain
Anon39
argovian
BayAreaCoins
Bees Brothers
bertani
binaryFate
brutale2
btharper
burnside
BurtW
buysolar
byt411
Cablez
Caesium
CrazyGuy
Cripto
danieldaniel
davecoin
davvo
DeathAndTaxes
diego1000
dogie
dserrano5
ercolinux
favdesu
fernarios
Finksy
fluidjax
Gavin Andresen
gdassori
generalt
gentlemand
ghibly79
GIANNAT
Gleb Gamow
HagssFIN
haploid23
HostFat
idee2013
iluvbitcoins
ioxoi
jackjack
jwzguy
kelpy
kilo17
Korbman
LazerViking
Light
loshia1974
LoweryCBS
LuisCar
majamalu
ManeBjorn
MarkAz
markj113
Matthew N. Wright
MCHouston
mdude77
mikegogulski
mindtrip
molecular
Mushroomized
naypalm
OgNasty
paci
paraipan
piuk
Powell
rb1205
Rmcdermott927
sayulita
Shawshank
shorena
Stemby
stenkross
sveetsnelda
teukon
the joint
ThickAsThieves
Tomatocage
Tomatocage1
TomUnderSea
tysat
Tywill
wallet.dat
xetsr
xkrikl
ziomik

[stompix]

I added BadBear on depth 0, look how someone's reputation has changed:  
<snip>
Oh, and that someone is you!  

Explain to me what happened there?  I'm assuming he trusts someone who gave me a neg but don't know who.  I'm not even sure how to check BB's trust list without modifying my own.  Yep, ignorance at its finest and I've been here long enough that I should know this.

Yeah, somehow ~spartan82 is on his trust list and this is messing up the score.
But, as Lauda said above his list is pretty old and he is not active anymore so I don't think it's a good idea to add him on depth 0. God knows how many accounts under him have already changed hands either sold or hacked.