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You've listed the users he is "trusted by" -- not users he has trusted (added to his trust list). So if you want to judge the judgment of this person then you'll need to do it by something else... preferably his own trust list or trust ratings.
I thought it was pretty obvious that it was about "sockpuppets" since I only posted part of the bbcode. In addition, I did not say that the presented list "Trusted by" reflects my opinion in matters of judgment, the last sentence [cursive] is a kind of additional comment based on personal observations. I didn't find it obvious, possibly because you said your complaint "is related to the judgment of this person" and then proceeded to list users who trust this user, which isn't necessarily indicative of Bubbalex's ability to use the trust system. As far as the sockpuppeting allegations are concerned, did you ever follow up with Loyce's advice last time around?
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February 02, 2021, 10:33:10 PM |
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We went from 150 eligible users last month to 151 this month. That shows our (lack of) tolerance for trust padding is having a positive effect.
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February 02, 2021, 10:37:35 PM |
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We have a new DT1 MoxnatyShmel, in the Russian locale, which left this tag: Some users may not update their trust list for years. The review you are linking to is not backed up by a link, and the tag should be changed to neutral. The first thing you need to do is write to him in a PM and then here, remember to tell him to revise his trust list. Perhaps someone will delve into the proofs that you provided, but you did not mention that you have a red tag from LVLF and MoxnatyShmel. Since they at DT, everyone sees these feedback, and since LVLF and MoxnatyShmel now have a federated model against you, therefore it worries you so much. You Too, left LVLF an unjustified red tag in the form of retribution for his red tag, and it seems that all your reviews come down to insults.
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February 02, 2021, 11:01:20 PM |
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We have a new DT1 MoxnatyShmel, in the Russian locale, which left this tag: Some users may not update their trust list for years. The review you are linking to is not backed up by a link, and the tag should be changed to neutral. The first thing you need to do is write to him in a PM and then here, remember to tell him to revise his trust list. Perhaps someone will delve into the proofs that you provided, but you did not mention that you have a red tag from LVLF and MoxnatyShmel. Since they at DT, everyone sees these feedback, and since LVLF and MoxnatyShmel now have a federated model against you, therefore it worries you so much. You Too, left LVLF an unjustified red tag in the form of retribution for his red tag, and it seems that all your reviews come down to insults. Good summary of why you don't throw stones - they get bigger until someone gets hurt. This Meta area should talk about how the DT system works - topics related to who deserves to be in DT should be kept to the reputation section.
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February 03, 2021, 11:10:22 AM |
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We have a new DT1 MoxnatyShmel, in the Russian locale, which left this tag: Some users may not update their trust list for years. The review you are linking to is not backed up by a link, and the tag should be changed to neutral. The first thing you need to do is write to him in a PM and then here, remember to tell him to revise his trust list. Perhaps someone will delve into the proofs that you provided, but you did not mention that you have a red tag from LVLF and MoxnatyShmel. Since they at DT, everyone sees these feedback, and since LVLF and MoxnatyShmel now have a federated model against you, therefore it worries you so much. You Too, left LVLF an unjustified red tag in the form of retribution for his red tag, and it seems that all your reviews come down to insults. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg55899693#msg55899693
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MoparMiningLLC
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March 07, 2021, 10:16:51 PM |
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I escrowed some deals for the member - is that an issue? I was under the impression that trust lists were managed by each user. If the user gives anyone a reason to not trust them and they present the case and/or the user gives me an issue to not trust them, I will remove them.
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March 07, 2021, 10:25:36 PM |
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I escrowed some deals for the member - is that an issue? Trust lists means you trust a users judgement and ability to give out feedbacks, escrowing a deal for a user of itself would likely not reveal that they are fit to be in default trust. Of course you could know the user personally beyond what is made public on the forum and have a good reason for adding them. I was under the impression that trust lists were managed by each user.
True, your trust list is personal and usually only visible to you. Except of course you are on DT, then your trust list determines which users feedback counts (is shown by default) and which doesn't.
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March 07, 2021, 10:26:47 PM |
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I was under the impression that trust lists were managed by each user. If the user gives anyone a reason to not trust them and they present the case and/or the user gives me an issue to not trust them, I will remove them.
You are correct. People added to your trust list is definitely up to you. It's all about trusting their judgement, generally in relation to feedback they leave or stances they take on the forum. Leaving them positive feedback would make more sense in having escrowed multiple deals for them and them having been responsible and truthful. Again you can add whoever you want but the purpose of a custom trust list is to make their useful feedback visible to you, and by extension users of Default trust when you are DT1. So when their only feedback is a positive left for yourself it can appear you're padding your trust score. That's just the optics of it. Either way, as always with trust lists and feedback. Do what works for you, others will do what works for them.
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March 07, 2021, 10:29:31 PM |
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exactly - except now I am getting posted about for it - getting pm's as if I have violated a rule. Make it simple - will remove the guy until someone who is someone actually trusts the guy too, then I will readd him.
edit - removed. anyone else I need to remove?
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The Sceptical Chymist
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March 07, 2021, 10:48:55 PM |
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exactly - except now I am getting posted about for it - getting pm's as if I have violated a rule. Make it simple - will remove the guy until someone who is someone actually trusts the guy too, then I will readd him.
edit - removed. anyone else I need to remove?
I think the main point is that since you're on DT you have a responsibility to be extremely conservative about who you put in your trust list and who you give positive feedback to, because someone could easily misuse both a position on DT and/or a green trust. Jeez, things used to be so much simpler (and better IMO) when it was extremely hard to even get on DT2. The first time I made the list, I recall hilariousandco or Lauda created a thread just to discuss some potential new DT2 additions. Now it's like a free-for-all and it seems like it doesn't mean much to be a DT member anymore. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't be careful about maintaining your trust list if you are on DT.
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March 07, 2021, 11:10:14 PM |
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Jeez, things used to be so much simpler (and better IMO) when it was extremely hard to even get on DT2. The first time I made the list, I recall hilariousandco or Lauda created a thread just to discuss some potential new DT2 additions. Now it's like a free-for-all and it seems like it doesn't mean much to be a DT member anymore. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't be careful about maintaining your trust list if you are on DT.
Not going to lie that old system was a shit show. People were so entrenched in certain camps, non DT's actually had to be exercise some caution at times when expressing their views. The fact that retaliatory or negating trust feedbacks were a thing and even necessary was so far beyond fucked up it was gross. This system isn't perfect but it actually allows everyone to participate, and potentially be included if overall they are within acceptable practices governed by the community. exactly - except now I am getting posted about for it - getting pm's as if I have violated a rule. Make it simple - will remove the guy until someone who is someone actually trusts the guy too, then I will readd him.
edit - removed. anyone else I need to remove?
I know it can be confusing and there is sometimes a disconnect to some extent between collectibles/marketplace and the rest of the forum about how it can be used. Personally my advice is re-add them when you've seen them interact with other individuals in trades, or in leaving appropriate feedback. In the meantime positive or neutral feedback depending on your threshold are 100% appropriate for someone you've done business with. This will also only come up when you are a DT1 member, as it does gran people in your list a role of some significance. Have a good one
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MoparMiningLLC
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problem solved - everyone removed from my personal list - I don't have time for the drama that stupid shit like this causes.
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March 08, 2021, 12:20:51 AM |
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problem solved - everyone removed from my personal list - I don't have time for the drama that stupid shit like this causes.
Or you could have just said, “Fork off, I like him.”.. “Extremely conservative”? Lol Look at the pages full of positive trust for “scambusting” and “alt hunting” without a single trade.. Idk about you, but I’d trust high value collectibles traders much more with “trades”, than a bunch of newbs just out to accomplish......what exactly?
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MoparMiningLLC
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March 08, 2021, 12:43:47 AM |
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problem solved - everyone removed from my personal list - I don't have time for the drama that stupid shit like this causes.
Or you could have just said, “Fork off, I like him.”.. “Extremely conservative”? Lol Look at the pages full of positive trust for “scambusting” and “alt hunting” without a single trade.. Idk about you, but I’d trust high value collectibles traders much more with “trades”, than a bunch of newbs just out to accomplish......what exactly? yea I tried that - all I got was more DM's - I just turned em all off. In the end it was more for me to remember who I had positive dealings with - it was not done to affect anyone else. but apparently it does so meh - just remove it. Now watch me get blasted for not having someone listed...
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