DefaultTrust changes

[Jet Cash]

(such as if you happened to have been a real nice person in your grade school years, and whether grandma never had to yell at you nor spank you and you always ate all your cookies, drank all your milk while keeping the basement clean and organized).

I'm bottom of the pile then. I was always in detention at school. My parents put me over the washing machine and took a belt to me. I hate milk on its own, and I don't eat cookies. I rebuilt a motor cycle gearbox in my bedroom as well. This probably shaped my character, and this may or may not be good.

I agree that the important things relate to forum activity, but good and helpful posting doesn't mean that a member won't try to take advantage of other members in a financial transaction.

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[JayJuanGee]

(such as if you happened to have been a real nice person in your grade school years, and whether grandma never had to yell at you nor spank you and you always ate all your cookies, drank all your milk while keeping the basement clean and organized).

I'm bottom of the pile then. I was always in detention at school. My parents put me over the washing machine and took a belt to me. I hate milk on its own, and I don't eat cookies. I rebuilt a motor cycle gearbox in my bedroom as well. This probably shaped my character, and this may or may not be good.

Seems like the rebellious roots of a potential cyberpunk.   

[asche]

Trust don't come from a system but your actions every day.

You are proving my point.

You have no clue what you are writing about You have no place in DT whatsoever.

[Anduck]

Trust don't come from a system but your actions every day.

You are proving my point.

You have no clue what you are writing about You have no place in DT whatsoever.

Care to elaborate on why JanEmil shouldn't be on DT?

[actmyname]

I had some points on the DT system changes a while back but I'll restate them since looking for them would be too much work:

The increase in DT1/2 members means trust value dilution. This henceforth means that positive trust is generally worth less, evidenced clearly by the increased trust scores on many individuals (of whom previously had far less).

What I would say is that now, with the dilution of positive trust: negative trust is worth more in relation. It's nearly a reversal of what would be common prior to these changes: "neg more, trust less".

That being said, I'm sticking to my old firm criteria regarding positive trust but not imposing them upon other users.

[asche]

That being said, I'm sticking to my old firm criteria regarding positive trust but not imposing them upon other users.

I do share your point of view

Care to elaborate on why JanEmil shouldn't be on DT?

I thought it was self explanatory.

JanEmil has left extensive positive feedbacks to some users I find shady/doubtful.
JanEmil has left a lot of positive feedbacks with no reference
A lot of said feedbacks are for insignificant trades or with no indicated value
JanEmil, in his answer a few posts earlier clearly showed he is not aware of how the trust network works, meaning he is not measuring the impact of said feedbacks.


That being said, I have nothing against JanEmil, and all of the above if perfectly fine for a personal trust list. I only believe these ratings shouldn't make it to DT, and I definitely don't want to see them myself.

[eddie13]

JanEmil's sent feedback looks excellent to me though I only count 36 so he must have deleted some..

I'm not a firm believer in being so stingy with positive feedback nor do I like the concept of deleting old feedback very much.
If someone gets negative trust it's not like you need to go pulling all of your old positive feedback to them because the trust score algorithm easily covers old positive with new negative. I think leaving feedback is a big decision and once you decide you should really be prepared to stick to your decision, as it becomes historically significant to understand situations at the time. Even if you have positive trust on an account you can just also put a red tag to counter it if you want.
When I am researching an account I want to see all of the history of it so deleting old feedback sucks, especially when looking way back at historic happenings.

JanEmil has left a lot of positive feedbacks with no reference
A lot of said feedbacks are for insignificant trades or with no indicated value

asche, not a single one of your received positive feedback has a reference, and 7 or 8 out of 10 of them are not even for trades, just opinions, only 2 having indicated value..
Half of your sent positives have no reference and half are not even for trades, just opinions.

[JanEmil]

Please review me in ½ year again. I am here to learn and improve.

[teeGUMES]

I'd prefer this attitude in DT1

Please review me in ½ year again. I am here to learn and improve.

rather than this attitude in DT1

Trust don't come from a system but your actions every day.

You are proving my point.

You have no clue what you are writing about You have no place in DT whatsoever.

[Lesbian Cow]

I'd prefer this attitude in DT1

Please review me in ½ year again. I am here to learn and improve.

rather than this attitude in DT1

Trust don't come from a system but your actions every day.

You are proving my point.

You have no clue what you are writing about You have no place in DT whatsoever.

Agreed, asche you are coming across as an aschehole. 

[Lauda]

Please review me in ½ year again. I am here to learn and improve.

I have excluded you anyways. Wells of positive trust received for pocket change trades are dangerous.

[OgNasty]

Please review me in ½ year again. I am here to learn and improve.

I have excluded you anyways. Wells of positive trust received for pocket change trades are dangerous.

Receiving lots of positive trust is reason for exclusion from you now? Seems reasonable.

[TECSHARE]

Please review me in ½ year again. I am here to learn and improve.

I have excluded you anyways. Wells of positive trust received for pocket change trades are dangerous.

Receiving lots of positive trust is reason for exclusion from you now? Seems reasonable.

You exist, and existing is correlated with scamming so, chances are you are a scammer [clicks button on automatic negative rating script and takes a nap].

[LoyceV]

I often find users who completely wiped their custom trust list. This is the opposite of what should happen for a decentralized trust system. I don't want to PM them about it, but it would be nice to hear the reasoning behind it.

[Lauda]

I often find users who completely wiped their custom trust list. This is the opposite of what should happen for a decentralized trust system.

I don't see anything wrong with that. It is their choice.

[Quickseller]

I often find users who completely wiped their custom trust list. This is the opposite of what should happen for a decentralized trust system. I don't want to PM them about it, but it would be nice to hear the reasoning behind it.

How frequently is this happening? Maybe you can publish a list of who wiped their list (and who wiped all their inclusions) each week on loyce.club

I have found that it is very difficult to create a good trust list, even if you have only a small number of people on your list. There are a fairly large number of people who I have found that I am willing to trust their ratings, but are very bad at creating a trust list of their own. As you have seen with the very large number of trust exclusions in your trust network, someone with a fairly small list will likely come across a large number of people in their trust network whose ratings they don't trust -- if someone is forced to add enough people to their exclusions, they will eventually give up and go back to using DT.

[suchmoon]

Latest DT1 update:

Added:

hedgy73 Trust lists
buckrogers Trust lists
teeGUMES Trust lists
JohnUser Trust lists
dazedfool Trust lists
polymerbit Trust lists
roycilik Trust lists
kenzawak Trust lists
anonymousminer Trust lists
morvillz7z Trust lists
lovesmayfamilis Trust lists

Removed:

Rmcdermott927
Gunthar
Hellmouth42

[Andrey123]

Hello to all!

I still do not understand why these Trust are needed !?
If there are no ways to change it, deal with unfair accusations!

When a few people can push your fate, and you can not do anything.
What's the point of this?? What is this for?

If a person has just created an account and asks for a million dollars, it is clear that this is a fraud.

Or someone from a high rank, after many years deceives someone for tens of thousands of dollars and disappears .... and he will never go to the forum again, and it will be no matter who and what he writes in his profile.

I have benefited the forum for so many years, and they ruined my account just for a couple of days. All that honestly earned, now no one appreciates ....
Why is the power over all accounts, from the forum, concentrated in several people?

[btcsmlcmnr]

Don't over-create Trust Appeals; keep minds/ emotions stable. No more Red
Maybe, this thread is helpful for people whom usually over-react with their negative feedbacks.

[LoyceV]

I often find users who completely wiped their custom trust list. This is the opposite of what should happen for a decentralized trust system. I don't want to PM them about it, but it would be nice to hear the reasoning behind it.

How frequently is this happening? Maybe you can publish a list of who wiped their list (and who wiped all their inclusions) each week on loyce.club

I made an overview: Users who Created or Wiped their Trust list - weekly data.

I have found that it is very difficult to create a good trust list, even if you have only a small number of people on your list.

The recursive implications are so big because people you trust enter on your Depth 0, so you trust them one level deeper than DT1 (assuming you've included DefaultTrust). A way around that would be to add them to an alt-account, and then add just that alt-account to your Trust list.

I'm working on an overview of who's on DT2 now, and it's a very long list.

Looking forward to that overview!

I made this overview too: Complete overview of users on DT1 and DT2 and their ratings.