Malaysia Airlines Flight 370. WTF?

[kuroman]

aside the theory crafting any real news about the plane?

[Puppet]

The list you provided doesn't really show flights the same as MH370... sure, they are similar, but I guess I take a more defined approach with this thinking because I want to compare an 'apple' to an 'apple', and not an 'apple' that is somewhat similar to another apple.

To save my own time and sanity, I stuck with the accidents in the last 20-30 years that I am guessing you would see as similar to MH370

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helios_Airways_Flight_522)
Rapid decompression
plenty of communication happened between the pilot and ground. Plenty of alarms, plenty of time for distress calls.

They did contact the ground crew (but IIRC, they did not contact air traffic control, never sent out a panpan or mayday), but the problem was not fire as might be the case in flight 370, so there was no reason to cut power to the radio/transponder/etc (even though the last words of the captian were asking where certain fuses where, go figure). In case of an (electrical) fire, isolating the fire by turning off all electrical equipment is a lot more urgent than sending out a distress signal.

If you go with the theory of an electrical fire + a decompression incident, I don't see how the plane goes on for 6+ hours and on the flight path they are stating.

Why not? Engines need absolutely none of the electrical equipment in the fuselage. As I pointed out earlier, in the case of the Quantas Airbus A380 which had an engine explode, the crew did not manage to turn OFF another engine for several hours after landing, despite everything they tried, even hosing the engine with water from fire trucks. Once they run, engines only need fuel and they will keep running almost no matter what. Thats what they are designed to do.

I may be able to accept a ghost flight without the fire, but without a fire then you can't explain the communications manually being turned off, which would imply a severe electrical fire or a hijacking.

I dont understand why you think this is weird or impossible? An electrical fire doesnt necessarily have to rage out of control, especially not if all fuses were pulled, no longer feeding of the fire. All you need to incapacitate the crew is smoke, and having shut down, or the fire disabling most of the electrical stuff, you'd have no airconditioning, no ventilation and perhaps even no continuing pressurization. Guess what happens next?

Generally speaking, I find it hard to believe that a vicious fire could have taken out the crew without being able to send a distress signal, and then continue to fly on for 6+ hours until running out of gas.

Who said the fire was viscous? Just how much plastic do you think needs to burn or smolder to intoxicate 200 people crammed together in a small room with no ventilation and low oxygen levels?

If you show me an incident, in the past, which had some type of electrical fire and a decompression issue that incapacitated the crew quickly enough for them to not be able to send a distress signal AND force them to quickly disable electronics to stop a fire before sending a distress signal AND THEN having that plane somehow continue to fly for 6+ hours while making turns

You know, there is a reason very few accidents happen more than once in an identical way. Its because we are maniacal about flight safety and from every crash we learn and make sure it doesnt happen again. Id be more shocked to find a strikingly similar accident had happened before.

[randomlove]

The list you provided doesn't really show flights the same as MH370... sure, they are similar, but I guess I take a more defined approach with this thinking because I want to compare an 'apple' to an 'apple', and not an 'apple' that is somewhat similar to another apple.

To save my own time and sanity, I stuck with the accidents in the last 20-30 years that I am guessing you would see as similar to MH370

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helios_Airways_Flight_522)
Rapid decompression
plenty of communication happened between the pilot and ground. Plenty of alarms, plenty of time for distress calls.

They did contact the ground crew (but IIRC, they did not contact air traffic control, never sent out a panpan or mayday), but the problem was not fire as might be the case in flight 370, so there was no reason to cut power to the radio/transponder/etc (even though the last words of the captian were asking where certain fuses where, go figure). In case of an (electrical) fire, isolating the fire by turning off all electrical equipment is a lot more urgent than sending out a distress signal.

If you go with the theory of an electrical fire + a decompression incident, I don't see how the plane goes on for 6+ hours and on the flight path they are stating.

Why not? Engines need absolutely none of the electrical equipment in the fuselage. As I pointed out earlier, in the case of the Quantas Airbus A380 which had an engine explode, the crew did not manage to turn OFF another engine for several hours after landing, despite everything they tried, even hosing the engine with water from fire trucks. Once they run, engines only need fuel and they will keep running almost no matter what. Thats what they are designed to do.

I may be able to accept a ghost flight without the fire, but without a fire then you can't explain the communications manually being turned off, which would imply a severe electrical fire or a hijacking.

I dont understand why you think this is weird or impossible? An electrical fire doesnt necessarily have to rage out of control, especially not if all fuses were pulled, no longer feeding of the fire. All you need to incapacitate the crew is smoke, and having shut down, or the fire disabling most of the electrical stuff, you'd have no airconditioning, no ventilation and perhaps even no continuing pressurization. Guess what happens next?

Generally speaking, I find it hard to believe that a vicious fire could have taken out the crew without being able to send a distress signal, and then continue to fly on for 6+ hours until running out of gas.

Who said the fire was viscous? Just how much plastic do you think needs to burn or smolder to intoxicate 200 people crammed together in a small room with no ventilation and low oxygen levels?

If you show me an incident, in the past, which had some type of electrical fire and a decompression issue that incapacitated the crew quickly enough for them to not be able to send a distress signal AND force them to quickly disable electronics to stop a fire before sending a distress signal AND THEN having that plane somehow continue to fly for 6+ hours while making turns

You know, there is a reason very few accidents happen more than once in an identical way. Its because we are maniacal about flight safety and from every crash we learn and make sure it doesnt happen again. Id be more shocked to find a strikingly similar accident had happened before.

Schooled much?

[Bicknellski]

The list you provided doesn't really show flights the same as MH370... sure, they are similar, but I guess I take a more defined approach with this thinking because I want to compare an 'apple' to an 'apple', and not an 'apple' that is somewhat similar to another apple.

To save my own time and sanity, I stuck with the accidents in the last 20-30 years that I am guessing you would see as similar to MH370

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helios_Airways_Flight_522)
Rapid decompression
plenty of communication happened between the pilot and ground. Plenty of alarms, plenty of time for distress calls.

They did contact the ground crew (but IIRC, they did not contact air traffic control, never sent out a panpan or mayday), but the problem was not fire as might be the case in flight 370, so there was no reason to cut power to the radio/transponder/etc (even though the last words of the captian were asking where certain fuses where, go figure). In case of an (electrical) fire, isolating the fire by turning off all electrical equipment is a lot more urgent than sending out a distress signal.

If you go with the theory of an electrical fire + a decompression incident, I don't see how the plane goes on for 6+ hours and on the flight path they are stating.

Why not? Engines need absolutely none of the electrical equipment in the fuselage. As I pointed out earlier, in the case of the Quantas Airbus A380 which had an engine explode, the crew did not manage to turn OFF another engine for several hours after landing, despite everything they tried, even hosing the engine with water from fire trucks. Once they run, engines only need fuel and they will keep running almost no matter what. Thats what they are designed to do.

I may be able to accept a ghost flight without the fire, but without a fire then you can't explain the communications manually being turned off, which would imply a severe electrical fire or a hijacking.

I dont understand why you think this is weird or impossible? An electrical fire doesnt necessarily have to rage out of control, especially not if all fuses were pulled, no longer feeding of the fire. All you need to incapacitate the crew is smoke, and having shut down, or the fire disabling most of the electrical stuff, you'd have no airconditioning, no ventilation and perhaps even no continuing pressurization. Guess what happens next?

Generally speaking, I find it hard to believe that a vicious fire could have taken out the crew without being able to send a distress signal, and then continue to fly on for 6+ hours until running out of gas.

Who said the fire was viscous? Just how much plastic do you think needs to burn or smolder to intoxicate 200 people crammed together in a small room with no ventilation and low oxygen levels?

If you show me an incident, in the past, which had some type of electrical fire and a decompression issue that incapacitated the crew quickly enough for them to not be able to send a distress signal AND force them to quickly disable electronics to stop a fire before sending a distress signal AND THEN having that plane somehow continue to fly for 6+ hours while making turns

You know, there is a reason very few accidents happen more than once in an identical way. Its because we are maniacal about flight safety and from every crash we learn and make sure it doesnt happen again. Id be more shocked to find a strikingly similar accident had happened before.

+1 nothing else to add other than grammar Nazi stuff so I will refrain.

Let's hope that the engineers actually get some parts to piece together what happened. There is a probability that something lurking silently threatening crews and passengers in this aircrafts design that needs to be addressed or in the maintenance regime at Malaysia Airlines.

[Lauda]

There is also a theory that some of the passengers held patents for microchips, patents which would be owned by their respective companies if they died.

[Dogtanian]

There is also a theory that some of the passengers held patents for microchips, patents which would be owned by their respective companies if they died.

It's been discussed and is only shared by conspiracy nuts.

[dogechode]

There is also a theory that some of the passengers held patents for microchips, patents which would be owned by their respective companies if they died.

And a slight variation on this, is the theory that they were essentially kidnapped for the skill sets.

[hilariousandco]

There is also a theory that some of the passengers held patents for microchips, patents which would be owned by their respective companies if they died.

And a slight variation on this, is the theory that they were essentially kidnapped for the skill sets.

Don't you think there'll be easier ways to kidnap a handful of people rather than make an entire plane disappear?

[Dogtanian]

There is also a theory that some of the passengers held patents for microchips, patents which would be owned by their respective companies if they died.

And a slight variation on this, is the theory that they were essentially kidnapped for the skill sets.

Don't you think there'll be easier ways to kidnap a handful of people rather than make an entire plane disappear?

Sounds like a perfectly plausible situation lol.

[dogechode]

There is also a theory that some of the passengers held patents for microchips, patents which would be owned by their respective companies if they died.

And a slight variation on this, is the theory that they were essentially kidnapped for the skill sets.

Don't you think there'll be easier ways to kidnap a handful of people rather than make an entire plane disappear?

Dude I'm not saying I believe that lol! Don't lump me in with randomlove and the tinfoil hat-wearers, please!

[ibminer]

The list you provided doesn't really show flights the same as MH370... sure, they are similar, but I guess I take a more defined approach with this thinking because I want to compare an 'apple' to an 'apple', and not an 'apple' that is somewhat similar to another apple.

To save my own time and sanity, I stuck with the accidents in the last 20-30 years that I am guessing you would see as similar to MH370

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helios_Airways_Flight_522)
Rapid decompression
plenty of communication happened between the pilot and ground. Plenty of alarms, plenty of time for distress calls.

They did contact the ground crew (but IIRC, they did not contact air traffic control, never sent out a panpan or mayday), but the problem was not fire as might be the case in flight 370, so there was no reason to cut power to the radio/transponder/etc (even though the last words of the captian were asking where certain fuses where, go figure). In case of an (electrical) fire, isolating the fire by turning off all electrical equipment is a lot more urgent than sending out a distress signal.

I was just explaining why this was not similar to the 370 incident because they had time to contact the ground crew and there was plenty of communication and was intending to make the point that there was time for communication. I do realize not all incidents are the same. The perception that 'this happens all the time' with an incident like mh370 seems unjustified.

If you go with the theory of an electrical fire + a decompression incident, I don't see how the plane goes on for 6+ hours and on the flight path they are stating.

Why not? Engines need absolutely none of the electrical equipment in the fuselage. As I pointed out earlier, in the case of the Quantas Airbus A380 which had an engine explode, the crew did not manage to turn OFF another engine for several hours after landing, despite everything they tried, even hosing the engine with water from fire trucks. Once they run, engines only need fuel and they will keep running almost no matter what. Thats what they are designed to do.

Engines just need fuel is not a good argument, planes need more than just an engine to fly and make turns into the indian ocean.
Engines may only need fuel, but you also need aerodynamics and a pilot in order for a damaged plane to continue flying and make a turn into the indian ocean. In the Quantas incident, pilots were able to regain control of their damaged plane, there is no evidence of anything like this happening on mh370.

I may be able to accept a ghost flight without the fire, but without a fire then you can't explain the communications manually being turned off, which would imply a severe electrical fire or a hijacking.

I dont understand why you think this is weird or impossible? An electrical fire doesnt necessarily have to rage out of control, especially not if all fuses were pulled, no longer feeding of the fire. All you need to incapacitate the crew is smoke, and having shut down, or the fire disabling most of the electrical stuff, you'd have no airconditioning, no ventilation and perhaps even no continuing pressurization. Guess what happens next?

IF it was NOT raging out of control:
I would anticipate, in this theory, the crew potentially getting the fire under control by killing electronics, programmed a new heading for the airport that people claim it was heading towards, and ultimately must have died at some point thereafter due to smoke. When they died, why would the plane have continued to fly?  Would autopilot have been shut off at this point with all of the other electronics?  If autopilot was still active, why the erratic flight path?

Why would the plane have suddenly turned into the indian ocean and not just followed a straight path, as other ghost flights do?

Generally speaking, I find it hard to believe that a vicious fire could have taken out the crew without being able to send a distress signal, and then continue to fly on for 6+ hours until running out of gas.

Who said the fire was viscous? Just how much plastic do you think needs to burn or smolder to intoxicate 200 people crammed together in a small room with no ventilation and low oxygen levels?

If you show me an incident, in the past, which had some type of electrical fire and a decompression issue that incapacitated the crew quickly enough for them to not be able to send a distress signal AND force them to quickly disable electronics to stop a fire before sending a distress signal AND THEN having that plane somehow continue to fly for 6+ hours while making turns

You know, there is a reason very few accidents happen more than once in an identical way. Its because we are maniacal about flight safety and from every crash we learn and make sure it doesnt happen again. Id be more shocked to find a strikingly similar accident had happened before.

With this particular theory, I'm not looking for an identical event. I am looking for evidence that a plane can either:

a) Suffer from a vicious fire that kills off the crew but manages to keep the aerodynamics of the plane intact and continue flying for 6+ hours with no pilots, while changing directions.

b) Suffer from a small fire, contain it by pulling fuses, die by smoke and somehow the plane continues on 6+ hours, while changing directions.

I'm just not buying that this was a typical incident that has happened plenty of times in the past.

[Lauda]

There is also a theory that some of the passengers held patents for microchips, patents which would be owned by their respective companies if they died.

And a slight variation on this, is the theory that they were essentially kidnapped for the skill sets.

Don't you think there'll be easier ways to kidnap a handful of people rather than make an entire plane disappear?

They might have kidnapped everyone on board but you're right, this would be much harder to do rather than kidnapping just the individuals.

[MUFC]

This will be bizarre if the plane or not even a shred of debris is found at some point.

[Rampton]

This will be bizarre if the plane or not even a shred of debris is found at some point.

I'm sure something will turn up eventually.

[Lauda]

This will be bizarre if the plane or not even a shred of debris is found at some point.

I'm sure something will turn up eventually.

Eventually, yes.

[Puppet]

I was just explaining why this was not similar to the 370 incident because they had time to contact the ground crew and there was plenty of communication and was intending to make the point that there was time for communication. I do realize not all incidents are the same. The perception that 'this happens all the time' with an incident like mh370 seems unjustified.

"Aviate, Navigate, Communicate", in that order. I guess fighting fires comes even before that. So no one claims flight 370 "did not have time".  Its far more plausible they chose not to communicate, and instead chose to do the obvious thing and not waste time talking and instead tried to fix the problem asap, pulling fuses thereby disabling communication and transponder.  Its not because the Greek crew couldnt find their fuse box that this crew needed help with that.

Engines just need fuel is not a good argument, planes need more than just an engine to fly and make turns into the indian ocean.

Yeah, they need wings and a tail too. And thats about it. As for turning, apparently its beyond doubt the pilot initiated the turn. How does that invalidate a fire theory? Apart from trying to fight the fire, turning back to an airport is the second most urgent thing to do. Many will say its the first thing to do.

In the Quantas incident, pilots were able to regain control of their damaged plane, there is no evidence of anything like this happening on mh370.

My theory is that flight 370 never lost control at all. The crew was incapacitated, but the plane itself may have been fine after they stopped the electrical fire.

IF it was NOT raging out of control:
I would anticipate, in this theory, the crew potentially getting the fire under control by killing electronics, programmed a new heading for the airport that people claim it was heading towards, and ultimately must have died at some point thereafter due to smoke. When they died, why would the plane have continued to fly?  

Because that is precisely what planes do.

Would autopilot have been shut off at this point with all of the other electronics?  If autopilot was still active, why the erratic flight path?

Why would the plane have suddenly turned into the indian ocean and not just followed a straight path, as other ghost flights do?

I dont know what path it followed exactly after the transponder was shut down. Does anyone? I think not. But if it did indeed fly a slightly erratic path, it would only serve as another argument in favor of incapacitated crew. A plane doesnt just fall from the sky when you release the controls, it will for the most part simply continue flying even without autpilot. Almost all pilot induced crashes are because the crew actively did something wrong, like slowing it down too much, steering in to the ground, or in to a mountain, or because they pulled too hard and stalled the plane, ..  not because they didnt do anything at all.  If only the pilots of Air France Flight 447 had done nothing, or simply released the controls at any point during their stall, instead of pulling the sticks non stop, it would have been fine.

A plane cruising at altitude will just fly on without any input. If it starts to pitch down it will gain speed, gain lift and therefore automatically pitch up again. ANd due to the wing incidence if it starts rolling in one direction it will automagically slowly level itself again. Planes that lost all hydraulic power, leaving the pilot with no input (besides throttle), have flown on for hours many times, and the opposite, the plane crashing shorty after losing hydraulics in a cruise flight,  has to my knowledge, never happened. In fact, at least one plane landed safely without any hydraulics, with the pilots only using differential throttle. A DHL flight over Iraq. That shows you dont need stick input to keep flying, aerodynamics take care of that. You only need stick input/autopilot to steer.

Alternatively if the plane flew straight and level all the way to the crash site, that doesnt invalidate the theory either, as its just as plausible the autopilot was not disabled by the fire or fuse pulling. The fire could have been found being caused by other circuitry like communications, or the fire may have disabled those but pilots restored power to the other circuitry. We have no way of knowing.

With this particular theory, I'm not looking for an identical event. I am looking for evidence that a plane can either:

a) Suffer from a vicious fire that kills off the crew but manages to keep the aerodynamics of the plane intact and continue flying for 6+ hours with no pilots, while changing directions.

You will never find that, because if the fire truly rages out of control, it will eventually burn aluminium and composites and disintegrate. This is not a theory anyone is putting forward. Although I will add one thing; even a raging fire might be extinguished by depressurizing the plane at high altitude, since it will dramatically lower oxygen levels. Some radar plots suggest the plane climbed well above cruising altitude, and this might have been deliberate to starve a fire. Alternatively, it might have been caused by no one controlling the plane, pitching up and down is what you might expect in such scenario. That said, that radar altitude data is not at all reliable, so no one knows for sure if it did indeed climb that high.

b) Suffer from a small fire, contain it by pulling fuses, die by smoke and somehow the plane continues on 6+ hours, while changing directions.

And this is absolutely an identical event. Flight 522 is the closest you are going to find, and AFAICS, its absolutely identical with one exception: they did not disable communications. But since pulling fuses in reaction to inflight fire or cockpit smoke is standard procedure, was even attempted in the case of flight 522, I reallly dont get why you think this is such a leap of faith.

I'm just not buying that this was a typical incident that has happened plenty of times in the past.

Of course not. How many accidents have happened exactly the same way plenty times in the past? I would hope none, thats why we have all this safety regulation, crash investigation, mandatory pilot training and what not. The sole purpose of that is to avoid making the same mistakes over and over. Thats why commercial planes crash on average only once every 4 million hours. Almost all accidents that are not blatant pilot error these days are freak coincidences of things that rarely if ever happened before. When looking for the cause of a crash, you are almost by definition looking for an unprobable (chain of) event(s).

[kuroman]

One thing is for sure,thanks to this incident we are noticing now the amount of polution, damage  and trash we are trowing we/ve trown in the pacific ocean, there are whole island of trash and rubish floating around in the pacific!

[randomlove]

There is also a theory that some of the passengers held patents for microchips, patents which would be owned by their respective companies if they died.

It's been discussed and is only shared by conspiracy nuts.

If its not on the Main Stream Media its not true according to this sheep. Middle class american fool i bet you 0.1BTC! Stinks of it. Bet he plays  golf and flys (internally on his farm only probably for 'business') and he thinks he as a comfortable life (those who seek security over freedom deserve neither)! Me myself spend months at as time in the east (Don't go west since 2008) and see how people live and see how the western world take the piss and shit on the developing world. Well the reest of thee world as had enough of bell ends like this!

This dude is a !st class idiot! He probably thinks the police are there for our security as well haha

Seriously, He can call me troll as much as he wants, He's a narrow minded sheep, That actually enjoys the oppression, even if he doesn't realise he's a sheep, He is!

People with cognitive dissidence ridicule and attack when there perceptions of what they believe/are comfortable with are questioned. This is why even if you had 100% evidence it does not matter. People are programmed (schooled) to be this way and its worked for over 200 years. But as you can see, Some 'conspiracy nuts' actually use there brains and question authority and what there being told. Fact is most westerners are perfectly happy been oppressed and beg their oppressors to oppress thee poor, which is where we are today. And they dont even realise they do it because there ignorant and dont care about anything but them selves. There often called the middle class, Probably the most mind controlled off us all because of there ignorance.

Not there fault, They have been doing this to us for over 200 years as i say, Who you going blame? Your parents? there pareents? Parents parents parents? No, You have to wise up, Grow a back bone and stop being a pussy and stand up for what you believe instead of listening to the crowd. The 5% shout so loud the 95% just accept it! STOP BEING SHEEP LEAD TO YOUR SLAUGHTER!

Meh, why bother. Sheeple will be sheep, They can't see outside of their contructed artificial boxes. Most of them have never left there farms (country) and don't even know how others live around the world except for what they seen on the MASS CONTROLLED TELEVISION PROPAGANDA! Hell, most people cant even pinpoint where Ukraine is on the map but they want to wage war there. Brain dead moron zombies everywhere!

[Lauda]

There is also a theory that some of the passengers held patents for microchips, patents which would be owned by their respective companies if they died.

It's been discussed and is only shared by conspiracy nuts.

If its not on the Main Stream Media its not true according to this sheep. Middle class american fool i bet you 0.1BTC! Stinks of it. Bet he plays  golf and flys (internally on his farm only probably for 'business') and he thinks he as a comfortable life (those who seek security over freedom deserve neither)! Me myself spend months at as time in the east (Don't go west since 2008) and see how people live and see how the western world take the piss and shit on the developing world. Well the reest of thee world as had enough of bell ends like this!

This dude is a !st class idiot! He probably thinks the police are there for our security as well haha

Seriously, He can call me troll as much as he wants, He's a narrow minded sheep, That actually enjoys the oppression, even if he doesn't realise he's a sheep, He is!

People with cognitive dissidence ridicule and attack when there perceptions of what they believe/are comfortable with are questioned. This is why even if you had 100% evidence it does not matter. People are programmed (schooled) to be this way and its worked for over 200 years. But as you can see, Some 'conspiracy nuts' actually use there brains and question authority and what there being told. Fact is most westerners are perfectly happy been oppressed and beg their oppressors to oppress thee poor, which is where we are today. And they dont even realise they do it because there ignorant and dont care about anything but them selves. There often called the middle class, Probably the most mind controlled off us all because of there ignorance.

Not there fault, They have been doing this to us for over 200 years as i say, Who you going blame? Your parents? there pareents? Parents parents parents? No, You have to wise up, Grow a back bone and stop being a pussy and stand up for what you believe instead of listening to the crowd. The 5% shout so loud the 95% just accept it! STOP BEING SHEEP LEAD TO YOUR SLAUGHTER!

Meh, why bother. Sheeple will be sheep, They can't see outside of their contructed artificial boxes. Most of them have never left there farms (country) and don't even know how others live around the world except for what they seen on the MASS CONTROLLED TELEVISION PROPAGANDA! Hell, most people cant even pinpoint where Ukraine is on the map but they want to wage war there. Brain dead moron zombies everywhere!

+1
Those people also often blindly follow religion and such.
No wonder why most high educated people tend to be atheists.

[kuroman]

There is also a theory that some of the passengers held patents for microchips, patents which would be owned by their respective companies if they died.

It's been discussed and is only shared by conspiracy nuts.

If its not on the Main Stream Media its not true according to this sheep. Middle class american fool i bet you 0.1BTC! Stinks of it. Bet he plays  golf and flys (internally on his farm only probably for 'business') and he thinks he as a comfortable life (those who seek security over freedom deserve neither)! Me myself spend months at as time in the east (Don't go west since 2008) and see how people live and see how the western world take the piss and shit on the developing world. Well the reest of thee world as had enough of bell ends like this!

This dude is a !st class idiot! He probably thinks the police are there for our security as well haha

Seriously, He can call me troll as much as he wants, He's a narrow minded sheep, That actually enjoys the oppression, even if he doesn't realise he's a sheep, He is!

People with cognitive dissidence ridicule and attack when there perceptions of what they believe/are comfortable with are questioned. This is why even if you had 100% evidence it does not matter. People are programmed (schooled) to be this way and its worked for over 200 years. But as you can see, Some 'conspiracy nuts' actually use there brains and question authority and what there being told. Fact is most westerners are perfectly happy been oppressed and beg their oppressors to oppress thee poor, which is where we are today. And they dont even realise they do it because there ignorant and dont care about anything but them selves. There often called the middle class, Probably the most mind controlled off us all because of there ignorance.

Not there fault, They have been doing this to us for over 200 years as i say, Who you going blame? Your parents? there pareents? Parents parents parents? No, You have to wise up, Grow a back bone and stop being a pussy and stand up for what you believe instead of listening to the crowd. The 5% shout so loud the 95% just accept it! STOP BEING SHEEP LEAD TO YOUR SLAUGHTER!

Meh, why bother. Sheeple will be sheep, They can't see outside of their contructed artificial boxes. Most of them have never left there farms (country) and don't even know how others live around the world except for what they seen on the MASS CONTROLLED TELEVISION PROPAGANDA! Hell, most people cant even pinpoint where Ukraine is on the map but they want to wage war there. Brain dead moron zombies everywhere!

+1
Those people also often blindly follow religion and such.
No wonder why most high educated people tend to be atheists.

This is a totally wrong, you are just taking a jab on religion with no proof here, fact are, half of the most prominent scientist and noble price winners are religious heck even the biggest figure of science of all times believes in God! such as Copernicus, Galilei, Kepler, Descartes, Pascal, Newton, Boyl, Faraday, Mendel, Kelvin, Plank, Einstein, Sagan, Hawkins.... ect ect

People stupidity it what's makes them do stupid things, not the religion, and I don't understand your free jab on religion while in his reply he didn't mention religion not even once.

Edited : Hawkins on the list. So what's your argument now.