🥊 The UFC Info and Prediction Thread

[Rampagoe004]

Jon Jones is the beast. He is as talented in MMA and fighting as Messi is in Football.

I would say that Jones is a rare natural talent in the UFC. Has good striking, great wrestling, agile footwork and the most highlight is an extraordinary fighting IQ. It was too crazy a talent. Like a cheat. I think God gave Jones the lack of discipline and willpower to balance out such talent. Sorry if I'm offended but just imagine, if a monster with that kind of talent had all the qualities of a fighter like Khabib, then I think LHW should be changed to Jon Jones Division Weight LOL.

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[owengtam09]

There is nothing to expect from the Jones vs Miocic fight. It would just be another win for Jones. Jones says it's GOAT vs GOAT but the problem is the miocic era is over. I see it more like Jones is trying to complete his great record in the UFC by defeating a legendary heavyweight fighter but the problem is that the fighter is far past his prime. This is like you saying a welterweight fighter asks for a GOAT vs GOAT match but against GSP who is retired and hasn't trained in a long time.

There is a retirement of a legend for sure this is to seal the deal with Stipe Miocic as Miocic once went back-to-back against Francis Ngannou and Daniel Cormier, and Jon Jones is now a Heavyweight, and for me, this is a good send-off for Stipe Miocic and for sure this is a farewell and a parting gift of Jon Jones to him  for sure a big money awaits Stipe Miocic because he accepts this fight for me I am now OK with Stipe Miocic fighting Jon Jones even though
 am sure that Stipe Miocic will likely lose that fight, that is what may happen to him for sure, but as I have said a good send of for Stipe Miocic plus receiving money after the fight,

OK, I just checked the odds for Turner Vs Green and Green is a big underdog for some reason, with x2.88 (on Unibet) payout rate. What am I missing here? I'd expect bookies to be favouring Green.
Is it just age and reach advantage? Other than that, Turner is stepping in on a VERY short notice, he lost his 2 latest fights, while Green won his last two in a compelling fashion.

For sure many thought that Bobby Green would be the favorite and I am sure that he is not the underdog in this fight if you don't look at their age that is because Bobby Green is not fighting like a 37-year-old when you see him, and for sure he is still slick in my opinion in his age he looks decent for sure so giving him the underdog treatment is surely ludicrous,

I would say that Jones is a rare natural talent in the UFC. Has good striking, great wrestling, agile footwork and the most highlight is an extraordinary fighting IQ. It was too crazy a talent. Like a cheat. I think God gave Jones the lack of discipline and willpower to balance out such talent. Sorry if I'm offended but just imagine, if a monster with that kind of talent had all the qualities of a fighter like Khabib, then I think LHW should be changed to Jon Jones Division Weight LOL.

For sure Jon Jones is a talented monster sure it was like every IQ in the world he has gotten it, but after seeing Tom Aspinall doing that to Sergei Pavlovich I am sure that he can take on Jon Jones and I am likely excited for that fight to happen but for sure Stipe Miocic will likely to be the focus for Jon Jones right now for sure no Miocic fight then there will be no other fights aside from that,

[tokeweed]

Damn...  Dan Hooker pulled out.  Jalin Turner is replacing him.  ;/

OK, I just checked the odds for Turner Vs Green and Green is a big underdog for some reason, with x2.88 (on Unibet) payout rate. What am I missing here? I'd expect bookies to be favouring Green.
Is it just age and reach advantage? Other than that, Turner is stepping in on a VERY short notice, he lost his 2 latest fights, while Green won his last two in a compelling fashion.

I mean I think Jalin Turner should be the favorite but being on short notice I don't think he should be lined at 1.43.  And after the way we saw him lose vs Hooker?  No thank you.  He'll be at the bottom of my lottery ticket.  Lol.

As a single bet it's better to pass imho.  But gun on my head, I'd rather take Bobby Green at 2.95.  At least we know he'll come on there and bring it.  Turner on the other hand could have cardio issues.

[TopTort777]

Guys, I want to discuss or here your thought on how UFC has changed over last 5 years probably. Here are the things that have changed or I dont like:

1) In the past, all divisions have enough fighters or challengers. Now what we have, fighters fight against each other for 3-4 times
2) Or are so dominant in their division, that they move to other
3) A lot of fighters wish to move or try boxing. Mostly because of high payment there and low payment in UFC.
4) Fighters complain about who they fight. They choose who they fight. Previously, if UFC says fighter gonna fight Godzilla, he will fight if Godzilla makes the weight.

5-10 years ago I would even imagine that for example Chuck Liddell would challenge Brock Lesnar and complain that he earns low.

[electronicash]

Guys, I want to discuss or here your thought on how UFC has changed over last 5 years probably. Here are the things that have changed or I dont like:

1) In the past, all divisions have enough fighters or challengers. Now what we have, fighters fight against each other for 3-4 times
2) Or are so dominant in their division, that they move to other
3) A lot of fighters wish to move or try boxing. Mostly because of high payment there and low payment in UFC.
4) Fighters complain about who they fight. They choose who they fight. Previously, if UFC says fighter gonna fight Godzilla, he will fight if Godzilla makes the weight.

5-10 years ago I would even imagine that for example Chuck Liddell would challenge Brock Lesnar and complain that he earns low.

i think in the past there were complains about how low the pay White gives. they are just not very vocal anymore.

they need the cross with others say PFL vs UFC in order for this sport to have something new like unification. BMF title fight has to be cross-promotion so that the baddest in Bellator or PFL can be mandated to fight the BMF in UFC.

[pawel7777]

1) In the past, all divisions have enough fighters or challengers. Now what we have, fighters fight against each other for 3-4 times

It's a show business after all, if another re-match is something that the fans prefer to see over any other match-up, then a re-match it will be. Personally, I don't see it as much of a problem and I don't recall a situation when it would bother me really. We usually see it when the previous fights were close and exciting or when the number 1 contender is dominant over others and deserves another title shot.
This generates more money to the UFC, a money that could potentially solved this issue:

3) A lot of fighters wish to move or try boxing. Mostly because of high payment there and low payment in UFC.

This was a real problem in the past and I'm not sure on how much has the situation improved. But we shouldn't have a situation where fighters from the top 15 of the biggest MMA organisation in the world are struggling to pay their basic bills.

[TopTort777]

pawel7777, I was more thinking about situation with Figuiredo vs Moreno, Conor Poirier, possible Conor vs Diaz 3, and other fighting series. Imho a real fan would watch any fight where his favourite fighter fights. And the situation with Volk for example and others go to other division for a fight. Each division has perhaps 100+ fighters, but no, fighters prefer to go to other division for more challenge, or because they have beaten everyone in their division (sometimes for 2 times).

Maybe they search for big names in other division. But in past, every division has enough big names. Nobody jumped here and there for a better fight.

[Hirose UK]

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i think in the past there were complains about how low the pay White gives. they are just not very vocal anymore.

That why several fighters have declared their retirement from the UFC because they moved elsewhere and also tried new things that could earn them more money.
Like Ngannou, who has an agreement with the PFL and he stated that the PFL is much better able to give him what he wants, including larger amount of money than what the UFC gives.

they need the cross with others say PFL vs UFC in order for this sport to have something new like unification. BMF title fight has to be cross-promotion so that the baddest in Bellator or PFL can be mandated to fight the BMF in UFC.

Well, this is good idea when there is crossover between PFL vs UFC and by implementing an idea like this it can be possible for the UFC to get more support and financial benefits which of course can support each fighter contract in more appropriate or bigger way.
Moreover, the development of UFC and PFL is also due to the same person, namely Loren Mack, he is a figure who has been very instrumental in the development of these two free combat sports competition venues.
I sure that if there is an agreement between the two, it will be easier and can be agreed without much drama.
But it looks like it will be little difficult for White from the UFC.

[TopTort777]

I think Dana will never do cross promotion fights. UFC has been in business for tens years, and Dana only allowed Chuck Liddell to fight in Pride once (other promotion), Conor McGregor to have a boxing fight against Mayweather (boxer), James Toney (boxer) to fight against Randy Couture under mma rules and wrestler (the one that is a fake theatre) CM Punk fought 2 times unsuccessfully in UFC. That is it. Only 5 unusual behaviour or allowance from Dana during whole UFC life.

[tokeweed]

I never really looked into this weekend's main event and at first glance I thought it's going to be all Armand Tsarukyan.  But looking at Tsarukyan's record after getting beat by Gamrot...  He beat a deflated Ismagulov and Joaquim Silva?  Mmm...  Dariush would smoke those guys and the last time he got beat was vs Charles Oliveira.  I know it's useless playing MMA math but Oliveira beats Tsarukyan any day of the week.

Here's a replay of Dariush.

UFC Free Fight:  Dariush vs Ferreira
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfgwaH6BxU0

[TopTort777]

And who beat Dariush ? Not the top of lightweight division either Actually I have same questions to Arman and Dariush - why are you so high in ranking, when you beat unranked guys ? But, I know why odds on Arman are so low and Dariush is a huge underdog. Age and the fact that Arman lost to Makhachev via UD That automatically crosses out wrestling and bjj from Dariush skills, and Armans striking is much better Its A+ for me in this math test.

I am more interested to watch Rob Fons vs Figueiredo fight. First seems to retire any second, second only fought lego lover over last 3 years (that bad, as it limits you as a fighter, as a technician)

[YuginKadoya]

I would say that Jones is a rare natural talent in the UFC. Has good striking, great wrestling, agile footwork and the most highlight is an extraordinary fighting IQ. It was too crazy a talent. Like a cheat. I think God gave Jones the lack of discipline and willpower to balance out such talent. Sorry if I'm offended but just imagine, if a monster with that kind of talent had all the qualities of a fighter like Khabib, then I think LHW should be changed to Jon Jones Division Weight LOL.

Jon Jones is a natural talent and a likely great fight IQ, there is no doubt and I now agree after he defeats Ciryl Gane whom I was hyped about it comes to me that Jon Jones is a really special fighter and right now what I want is for Jon Jones to fight Tom Aspinall, for me that will be an epic fight for sure, as it will be a fight between a Heavy Weight and the Interim Heavy Weight Champion that will be an epic fight for sure,

I mean I think Jalin Turner should be the favorite but being on short notice I don't think he should be lined at 1.43.  And after the way we saw him lose vs Hooker?  No thank you.  He'll be at the bottom of my lottery ticket.  Lol.

As a single bet it's better to pass imho.  But gun on my head, I'd rather take Bobby Green at 2.95.  At least we know he'll come on there and bring it.  Turner on the other hand could have cardio issues.

I also think that it is not fair for Bobby Green to have this kind of odds, and for me, Bobby Green should be the favorite to win and this is also a short-notice fight, I think the fans will eventually flip the odds, and bet for Bobby Green because if not then for me I am OK with this kind of odds as it is more profitable when Bobby Green wins this fight,

I think Dana will never do cross promotion fights. UFC has been in business for tens years, and Dana only allowed Chuck Liddell to fight in Pride once (other promotion), Conor McGregor to have a boxing fight against Mayweather (boxer), James Toney (boxer) to fight against Randy Couture under mma rules and wrestler (the one that is a fake theatre) CM Punk fought 2 times unsuccessfully in UFC. That is it. Only 5 unusual behaviour or allowance from Dana during whole UFC life.

Well, Dana White right now doesn't really want any cross-promotions with other fighting organizations for sure Chuck Liddell fighting with Pride was just a 1-time gimmick for the UFC is experimenting with something if the fans would like something like that, and at the time I think the UFC have bought Pride from the Japanese and made it PrideFC and little did Dana White know that the people behind Pride made a new fighting promotion and they called it Dream and it looks like the UFC have bought air because as Dana White have said the people behind Pride is working under the UFC now,

[pawel7777]

pawel7777, I was more thinking about situation with Figuiredo vs Moreno, Conor Poirier, possible Conor vs Diaz 3, and other fighting series. Imho a real fan would watch any fight where his favourite fighter fights. And the situation with Volk for example and others go to other division for a fight. Each division has perhaps 100+ fighters, but no, fighters prefer to go to other division for more challenge, or because they have beaten everyone in their division (sometimes for 2 times).

Maybe they search for big names in other division. But in past, every division has enough big names. Nobody jumped here and there for a better fight.

Sure, there are dozens, if not hundreds fighters in each division, but the top fighter (or champs) will not be matched up with anybody ranked below the top 10 or the top 15. If they did, the purpose of rankings would be moot.
I'm sure UFC had figured out methods to determine what match ups will yield them the most money, which should go in line with what the fans prefer to see. And of course superstars like McGregor will be picky in choosing/accepting their opponents, but that's a different story.

But looking at Volk, I perfectly understand why he decided to jump up (even only temporarily). He already beat the top contenders (some of them multiple times) so it's either this or fighting lower-ranked guys that haven't yet proved they deserve the title shot. I don't think anyone outside the top 6 should be fighting for the belt, as, sport-wise, that's simply unfair. Luckily in that division we have Topuria who moved up to the top 5 contender and will be fighting Volk next, he's undefeated and looked really good in his last few fights.

[electronicash]

I think Dana will never do cross promotion fights. UFC has been in business for tens years, and Dana only allowed Chuck Liddell to fight in Pride once (other promotion), Conor McGregor to have a boxing fight against Mayweather (boxer), James Toney (boxer) to fight against Randy Couture under mma rules and wrestler (the one that is a fake theatre) CM Punk fought 2 times unsuccessfully in UFC. That is it. Only 5 unusual behaviour or allowance from Dana during whole UFC life.

he must have given them the chance because he is also gaining those matches. i have yet not noticed UFC politics during those days but i think Dana was more confidence in the fighters that he allowed to do cross.  

but obviously, Dana also has favoritism among the fighters that he wants to make it to the top. the ones who kiss his ass often get multiple title shots in the same weight class but not even fighting to earn his next title shot.

[YuginKadoya]

Sure, there are dozens, if not hundreds fighters in each division, but the top fighter (or champs) will not be matched up with anybody ranked below the top 10 or the top 15. If they did, the purpose of rankings would be moot.
I'm sure UFC had figured out methods to determine what match ups will yield them the most money, which should go in line with what the fans prefer to see. And of course superstars like McGregor will be picky in choosing/accepting their opponents, but that's a different story.

But looking at Volk, I perfectly understand why he decided to jump up (even only temporarily). He already beat the top contenders (some of them multiple times) so it's either this or fighting lower-ranked guys that haven't yet proved they deserve the title shot. I don't think anyone outside the top 6 should be fighting for the belt, as, sport-wise, that's simply unfair. Luckily in that division we have Topuria who moved up to the top 5 contender and will be fighting Volk next, he's undefeated and looked really good in his last few fights.

For me, I am OK with the ranking system but for sure used that in determining who's going to fight next let's say they can fight a 2-rank higher fighter I think that is OK enough but as long as the Ranking was used I am pretty much solid with that actually Ranking should have serve as a purposed and to determine who is next in line for that certain fighter, then the ranking should be like that,

Volkanovski for sure has gone up the division for the belt but for some sad reason he lost touch with his fight with Islam Makhachev, and he was sloppy because he didn't have the camp that could help him with the fight for sure he needed the money but for sure ones, a determination is much needed into order to win but for sure I also like Ilia Topuria,

he must have given them the chance because he is also gaining those matches. i have yet not noticed UFC politics during those days but i think Dana was more confidence in the fighters that he allowed to do cross.  

but obviously, Dana also has favoritism among the fighters that he wants to make it to the top. the ones who kiss his ass often get multiple title shots in the same weight class but not even fighting to earn his next title shot.

All we can do is speculate, but for sure they have given Conor McGregor too much credit because McGregor is one of the cash cows of the UFC and they tend to be more biased with the fighters that likely will give them profit, for sure Jon Jones right now has the same or should we say near treatment as McGregor as we all know Dana White is ready to give Tyson Fury for Jon Jones on a boxing match,

[TopTort777]

pawel7777, I was more thinking about situation with Figuiredo vs Moreno, Conor Poirier, possible Conor vs Diaz 3, and other fighting series. Imho a real fan would watch any fight where his favourite fighter fights. And the situation with Volk for example and others go to other division for a fight. Each division has perhaps 100+ fighters, but no, fighters prefer to go to other division for more challenge, or because they have beaten everyone in their division (sometimes for 2 times).

Maybe they search for big names in other division. But in past, every division has enough big names. Nobody jumped here and there for a better fight.

Sure, there are dozens, if not hundreds fighters in each division, but the top fighter (or champs) will not be matched up with anybody ranked below the top 10 or the top 15. If they did, the purpose of rankings would be moot.
I'm sure UFC had figured out methods to determine what match ups will yield them the most money, which should go in line with what the fans prefer to see. And of course superstars like McGregor will be picky in choosing/accepting their opponents, but that's a different story.

But looking at Volk, I perfectly understand why he decided to jump up (even only temporarily). He already beat the top contenders (some of them multiple times) so it's either this or fighting lower-ranked guys that haven't yet proved they deserve the title shot. I don't think anyone outside the top 6 should be fighting for the belt, as, sport-wise, that's simply unfair. Luckily in that division we have Topuria who moved up to the top 5 contender and will be fighting Volk next, he's undefeated and looked really good in his last few fights.

But there individuals, that became champions or have a title fight in just 3-4 fights. And they start their journey unranked. Look how I see current situation. Take any lightweight or lower division. There are fighting tiers. Champion-top6, top7-top15, rest of division. And these guys fight between each other all the time only. If you are a good fighter, maximum you would achieve is being among "rest of division". Maybe Gods of random be kind to you, and someone from top15 will withdrew from fight due to injury and Gods will be double kind to you and you would be selected by match makers.

[tokeweed]

And who beat Dariush ? Not the top of lightweight division either Actually I have same questions to Arman and Dariush - why are you so high in ranking, when you beat unranked guys ? But, I know why odds on Arman are so low and Dariush is a huge underdog. Age and the fact that Arman lost to Makhachev via UD That automatically crosses out wrestling and bjj from Dariush skills, and Armans striking is much better Its A+ for me in this math test.

I am more interested to watch Rob Fons vs Figueiredo fight. First seems to retire any second, second only fought lego lover over last 3 years (that bad, as it limits you as a fighter, as a technician)

Sure Tsarukyan is the rightful favorite...  He's younger and more athletic.  But then does that totally negate Dariush as a fighter?  Don't forget that Dariush beat Gamrot, the guy who Tsarukyan.  I think the line is wide at 3.20 for Dariush.  That's just around 30% implied probability.  Surely Dariush could make the match closer and prolly even go his way.  Unless he got KO'd as he tends to be on the chinny side.

Here's a replay for Tsarukyan.

UFC Free Fight:  Tsarukyan vs Silva
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3UhiYXiEQw

Anyway, who you guys have for Font vs Fig?

[YuginKadoya]

But there individuals, that became champions or have a title fight in just 3-4 fights. And they start their journey unranked. Look how I see current situation. Take any lightweight or lower division. There are fighting tiers. Champion-top6, top7-top15, rest of division. And these guys fight between each other all the time only. If you are a good fighter, maximum you would achieve is being among "rest of division". Maybe Gods of random be kind to you, and someone from top15 will withdrew from fight due to injury and Gods will be double kind to you and you would be selected by match makers.

For sure the UFC is doing something to arrange the rankings and the fights for the Ranking are there for a reason, but the pound-for-pound rankings are just media bias, and if a fighter defeats a fighter in a higher ranking then he will be replaced for sure we can not say that the matchmakers are making matches that is unfair to fighters because the rankings exist because of that, and this is in every division for sure,

Sure Tsarukyan is the rightful favorite...  He's younger and more athletic.  But then does that totally negate Dariush as a fighter?  Don't forget that Dariush beat Gamrot, the guy who Tsarukyan.  I think the line is wide at 3.20 for Dariush.  That's just around 30% implied probability.  Surely Dariush could make the match closer and prolly even go his way.  Unless he got KO'd as he tends to be on the chinny side.

Here's a replay for Tsarukyan.

UFC Free Fight:  Tsarukyan vs Silva
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3UhiYXiEQw

Anyway, who you guys have for Font vs Fig?

Actually, that was pretty much a close fight but Beniel Dariush had a great takedown defense and after seeing the fight of Gamrot against Rafael Fiziev it was an injury and not because of the defense of Gamrot so for sure Mateusz Gamrot doesn't do that much it means Rafael Fiziev injured himself, while Gamrot vs Tsarukyan is a close fight Mateusz Gamrot wrestling was really amazing in that fight but Arman Tsarukyan kicks were so phenomenal, but for me, it was a robbery and Arman Tsarukyan won that and the judges and even the announcers didn't see the 4th round knockdown by Tsarukyan to Mateusz Gamrot which is a bummer if you watch the fight again you would clearly see that in the 4th round so for sure this is a really controversial fight,

[owengtam09]

Guys, I want to discuss or here your thought on how UFC has changed over last 5 years probably. Here are the things that have changed or I dont like:

1) In the past, all divisions have enough fighters or challengers. Now what we have, fighters fight against each other for 3-4 times
2) Or are so dominant in their division, that they move to other
3) A lot of fighters wish to move or try boxing. Mostly because of high payment there and low payment in UFC.
4) Fighters complain about who they fight. They choose who they fight. Previously, if UFC says fighter gonna fight Godzilla, he will fight if Godzilla makes the weight.

5-10 years ago I would even imagine that for example Chuck Liddell would challenge Brock Lesnar and complain that he earns low.

Number 1 I think that is why the UFC keeps on having the Dana White Contender Series for new fighters who want to try it in the UFC and if they win Dana White will give them a contract that they will eventually be welcome in the UFC

Number 2 this happens all the time and if a fighter feels like he is getting dominant in that division he will eventually get into a lower or higher 1 to take on the challenge for the belt for sure every fighter dreams of having 2 belts,

Number 3 this is something for the organization to change and to give a higher pay cut maybe giving a 1 time 1 million pay for the fighter if they won, just like in the PFL but for sure payments in boxing and the MMA are pretty much different,

Number 4 that's up to the fighter if they don't want that fight but if that is Khamzat Chimaev then he will surely Smesh everybody,

pawel7777, I was more thinking about situation with Figuiredo vs Moreno, Conor Poirier, possible Conor vs Diaz 3, and other fighting series. Imho a real fan would watch any fight where his favourite fighter fights. And the situation with Volk for example and others go to other division for a fight. Each division has perhaps 100+ fighters, but no, fighters prefer to go to other division for more challenge, or because they have beaten everyone in their division (sometimes for 2 times).

Maybe they search for big names in other division. But in past, every division has enough big names. Nobody jumped here and there for a better fight.

For sure if a fight gets great reviews and many positive comments then for the UFC that will be profitable and if a fight gets a high PPV profit and if fight is a controversial one for sure the UFC will give another chance to the other fighter and they could get a rematch and for sure the rematch will then goes up to 2 or 3rd times depending if people wants to see it again,

[Welsh]

Good fights this weekend. Early picks for me would be; Horth, Turman, Solecki, Joaquim Silva, Bobby Green, and Arman. However, that's without looking at any statistics or tape. I'll be looking a little more in depth closer to the end of the week, but I think Bobby Green is going to surprise a few people, and definitely has a chance.